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Author Topic: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.  (Read 619300 times)

Offline Scott Nielsen

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5790 on: July 31, 2021, 11:01:29 AM »
What's the original source for the JWP bid? I can't fathom why we would table such an insulting bid. I don't think bazaar haggling is the way forward.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5791 on: July 31, 2021, 11:05:14 AM »
Even if we do get him we will still have to negotiate a price for the gourd.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5792 on: July 31, 2021, 11:07:09 AM »
I don't think it's about megastars though, or even (only) about the Championship origin. I think Buendìa is a very exciting signing indeed. Cantwell, though, it just looks like we haven't been looking hard enough, or have an irrational bias toward domestic players.

I don't think he's a bad player really. It's the psychological aspect of putting someone who looks and plays like he does, in the same place as a player or more likely the "myth" of the player he's got no chance of matching up to. When yer lead singer leaves get the drummer, bass player or the guitarist to sing and draft in someone to play their parts.  Much better than getting a shit lookalike singer to take over

Well, it's not just psychological if your attempt at replacement is a clear downgrade. As others have said, Jack is replaced by us by a change as the best player of his type is actually him. Cantwell isn't bad or anything. He'd just be accepting our fate and knowing our place.

yep. I'd veer well away from it. Last thing we need is playing like we do when Grealish is injured but with a "jack" replacement reminding everyone of our downgraded status

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5793 on: July 31, 2021, 11:09:00 AM »
What's the original source for the JWP bid? I can't fathom why we would table such an insulting bid. I don't think bazaar haggling is the way forward.

JWP is a free-kick specialist. Will we get as many free kicks without Grealish? I agree £25m was an insult.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5794 on: July 31, 2021, 11:12:41 AM »
... Last thing we need is playing like we do when Grealish is injured but with a "jack" replacement reminding everyone of our downgraded status.
But we probably already have the like-for-like player in Buendia; a pretty decent footballer.
If Jack goes I'm guessing we won't try and replace him, we'll buy 2-3 good players in positions that reinforce what we already have: cover for Watkins, another midfielder (ideally, JWP) and a winger. Players like McGinn, Luiz, Traore and Chuk might well see JG's departure (if it happens) as an opportunity to play an even bigger part in our team next season; not a bad outcome from a shitty situation.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5795 on: July 31, 2021, 11:13:36 AM »
Just as an aside £25m is about 2 years season ticket income for us.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5796 on: July 31, 2021, 11:14:54 AM »
Even if we do get him we will still have to negotiate a price for the gourd.

10 for that you must be mad.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5797 on: July 31, 2021, 11:17:34 AM »
I don't think we need to get upset and uppity just because John Percy mentioned Cantwell as a possibilty. He threw a few names about in that piece he wrote. Let's just see what happens before we get even more uppity.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2021, 11:35:58 AM by Clampy »

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5798 on: July 31, 2021, 11:18:14 AM »
How do we attract top players when we're a mid table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5799 on: July 31, 2021, 11:18:37 AM »
If Grealish goes we aren't getting the required megastar for a long time, possibly ever. Cantwell would be good for a midtable team which is what we would seem to have accepted.

Well, fair enough if you've given up, but that doesn't square with what NSWE have been telling us or what they've been spending. If they're still committed financially, I don't want to waste that opportunity. We've been here before.

It wouldn't be me that had given up, but the club. Not just saying that we can't ever hope to compete with Man City but that we can't realistically compete with Tottenham, who haven't rolled over, either. Fuck it, even Crystal fucking Palace have managed to hold onto their best player.

I've been one of the most ambitious on here. Hold onto Grealish and strengthen elsewhere and we can have a go at top four maybe even this season.

Sell Grealish and we've given up. If we get players good enough to get us close, so what? The clubs above us in the pecking order will just buy them off us again.

Cantwell and Sarr are much better than "mediocre" and would be good signings for a club that hopes to finish mid-table.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5800 on: July 31, 2021, 11:21:17 AM »
How do we attract top players when we're a mod table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.
SJM Target Ollie ?

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5801 on: July 31, 2021, 11:22:54 AM »
If Grealish goes we aren't getting the required megastar for a long time, possibly ever. Cantwell would be good for a midtable team which is what we would seem to have accepted.

Well, fair enough if you've given up, but that doesn't square with what NSWE have been telling us or what they've been spending. If they're still committed financially, I don't want to waste that opportunity. We've been here before.

It wouldn't be me that had given up, but the club. Not just saying that we can't ever hope to compete with Man City but that we can't realistically compete with Tottenham, who haven't rolled over, either. Fuck it, even Crystal fucking Palace have managed to hold onto their best player.

I've been one of the most ambitious on here. Hold onto Grealish and strengthen elsewhere and we can have a go at top four maybe even this season.

Sell Grealish and we've given up. If we get players good enough to get us close, so what? The clubs above us in the pecking order will just buy them off us again.

Cantwell and Sarr are much better than "mediocre" and would be good signings for a club that hopes to finish mid-table.

Mediocrity is relative. In the general scheme of things they're both extremely good. In Premier League terms, though, they're just okay, nothing to get excited about. As you say, good signings for a club that hopes to finish mid-table, which is nicely damning.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5802 on: July 31, 2021, 11:24:17 AM »
... Last thing we need is playing like we do when Grealish is injured but with a "jack" replacement reminding everyone of our downgraded status.
But we probably already have the like-for-like player in Buendia; a pretty decent footballer.
If Jack goes I'm guessing we won't try and replace him, we'll buy 2-3 good players in positions that reinforce what we already have: cover for Watkins, another midfielder (ideally, JWP) and a winger. Players like McGinn, Luiz, Traore and Chuk might well see JG's departure (if it happens) as an opportunity to play an even bigger part in our team next season; not a bad outcome from a shitty situation.

Again, I think he's a very good player. I'm not sure he'd suffer the direct comparisons Cantwell would because we obviously bought him to play with Grealish imo . Plus he doesn't look like an Lidl-Jack like Cantwell. I'm sort of warming to the idea of not going out this summer with 100m and just throwing money everywhere in a panic and then regret it when they don't work out through lack of thought. I think we'll probably finish about where we did last season this season as we are now, so maybe consolidate and use the bulk of the money in Jan or next summer.

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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5803 on: July 31, 2021, 11:25:35 AM »
How do we attract top players when we're a mod table club with no sincere ambition of going further? Martinez next season. Maybe Konsa.
SJM Target Ollie ?

Could be any of them, we're fair game. No intention of breaking into the top 6 or top 4. Clubs who do that don't sell their only world class player.


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Re: Summer Transfer Thread and Gustavo Cisneros Type Rumours.
« Reply #5804 on: July 31, 2021, 11:41:24 AM »
What's the original source for the JWP bid? I can't fathom why we would table such an insulting bid. I don't think bazaar haggling is the way forward.

JWP is a free-kick specialist. Will we get as many free kicks without Grealish? I agree £25m was an insult.

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