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Offline London Villan

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6885 on: May 22, 2024, 01:45:13 PM »
That stand at anfield was built ready to have an additional tier added.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6886 on: May 22, 2024, 01:53:10 PM »
Not very well. It's a deathtrap waiting to happen in the lower Anfield Road.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6887 on: May 22, 2024, 07:39:25 PM »
Yeah I suppose that's the other way to go. Have the concrete casement in lickety split for the lower tier (which would be about 7000. Start with two or three away games and you can rush the seats in. Be open end for a bit but you'd keep the bulk of the current capacity.

Perhaps that's what Comcast lads money arm is in for, as the Anfield method was apparently too expensive.

The Anfield method isn't possible for the North Stand - all they have effectively done there is build a new tier behind the old stand, the actual structure for the lower tier is still the same.  The North Stand needs a rebuild from the ground up, including all the services, utilities etc. hence there needing a tonne of clearance and prep work before anything can be built, presumably including even a temporary stand.
The lower North holds around 3,000. It's just a solid Bank which could easily be left in place while a new stand rises behind it containing all the facilities. That seems like a no brainer to me unless I'm missing something. The tunnel in the centre is no longer needed and a few extra seats could be added there.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6888 on: May 22, 2024, 08:41:04 PM »
Not very well. It's a deathtrap waiting to happen in the lower Anfield Road.

Not now it's not, the old concourse opens up onto a much bigger one behind.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6889 on: May 22, 2024, 11:07:30 PM »
Yeah I suppose that's the other way to go. Have the concrete casement in lickety split for the lower tier (which would be about 7000. Start with two or three away games and you can rush the seats in. Be open end for a bit but you'd keep the bulk of the current capacity.

Perhaps that's what Comcast lads money arm is in for, as the Anfield method was apparently too expensive.

The Anfield method isn't possible for the North Stand - all they have effectively done there is build a new tier behind the old stand, the actual structure for the lower tier is still the same.  The North Stand needs a rebuild from the ground up, including all the services, utilities etc. hence there needing a tonne of clearance and prep work before anything can be built, presumably including even a temporary stand.
The lower North holds around 3,000. It's just a solid Bank which could easily be left in place while a new stand rises behind it containing all the facilities. That seems like a no brainer to me unless I'm missing something. The tunnel in the centre is no longer needed and a few extra seats could be added there.

All the utilities run under there. Not just the facilities.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6890 on: May 23, 2024, 12:12:16 AM »
They've got a temporary stand at Old Trafford for the cricket that holds 5500. Would it not be feasible to smash up the North, pop a temporary stand in there to maintain capacity and get cracking building a new one behind?

Russia World Cup 2018 had one stadium with two temporary stands, one of them large that added 12k to capacity.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6891 on: May 23, 2024, 12:22:43 AM »
Yeah I suppose that's the other way to go. Have the concrete casement in lickety split for the lower tier (which would be about 7000. Start with two or three away games and you can rush the seats in. Be open end for a bit but you'd keep the bulk of the current capacity.

Perhaps that's what Comcast lads money arm is in for, as the Anfield method was apparently too expensive.

The Anfield method isn't possible for the North Stand - all they have effectively done there is build a new tier behind the old stand, the actual structure for the lower tier is still the same.  The North Stand needs a rebuild from the ground up, including all the services, utilities etc. hence there needing a tonne of clearance and prep work before anything can be built, presumably including even a temporary stand.
The lower North holds around 3,000. It's just a solid Bank which could easily be left in place while a new stand rises behind it containing all the facilities. That seems like a no brainer to me unless I'm missing something. The tunnel in the centre is no longer needed and a few extra seats could be added there.

I'll tell you what you're missing - you're not (as far as I know) a sructural engineer.

You (and I don't mean you in particular, i mean the generic 'you') can't just make statements like we'll just leave the generic bank in place etc etc etc.

It is going to be *way* more complicated than that. Building a new stand nowadays is way more complex than building one in, say, 94 or whever it was Ellis rebuilt the Witton Lane. Back then they didn't need things like hundreds of miles of cabling and power for broadcast facilities etc etc.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6892 on: May 23, 2024, 10:23:19 AM »
Did the Atairos investment have anything to do with the rumoured purchase of Vasco Da Gama?

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6893 on: May 23, 2024, 11:07:07 AM »
Did the Atairos investment have anything to do with the rumoured purchase of Vasco Da Gama?

Possibly, who knows?

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6894 on: May 23, 2024, 11:32:35 AM »
Yeah I suppose that's the other way to go. Have the concrete casement in lickety split for the lower tier (which would be about 7000. Start with two or three away games and you can rush the seats in. Be open end for a bit but you'd keep the bulk of the current capacity.

Perhaps that's what Comcast lads money arm is in for, as the Anfield method was apparently too expensive.

The Anfield method isn't possible for the North Stand - all they have effectively done there is build a new tier behind the old stand, the actual structure for the lower tier is still the same.  The North Stand needs a rebuild from the ground up, including all the services, utilities etc. hence there needing a tonne of clearance and prep work before anything can be built, presumably including even a temporary stand.
The lower North holds around 3,000. It's just a solid Bank which could easily be left in place while a new stand rises behind it containing all the facilities. That seems like a no brainer to me unless I'm missing something. The tunnel in the centre is no longer needed and a few extra seats could be added there.

I'll tell you what you're missing - you're not (as far as I know) a sructural engineer.

You (and I don't mean you in particular, i mean the generic 'you') can't just make statements like we'll just leave the generic bank in place etc etc etc.

It is going to be *way* more complicated than that. Building a new stand nowadays is way more complex than building one in, say, 94 or whever it was Ellis rebuilt the Witton Lane. Back then they didn't need things like hundreds of miles of cabling and power for broadcast facilities etc etc.
I'm not a structural engineer but I am an electrician and I've worked on construction projects ranging from a kitchen extension to a massive brand new shopping centre. I was surprised by Percy's response that all the utilities run under the lower North but that being the case it pretty much puts paid to my idea. It was just a thought.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6895 on: May 23, 2024, 11:34:07 AM »
Well, you know what thought did? Killed the cat.

Actually that may have been curiosity, but the point stands.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6896 on: May 23, 2024, 11:59:58 AM »
Did the Atairos investment have anything to do with the rumoured purchase of Vasco Da Gama?

Possibly, who knows?

Quite. Just thought it might offer one answer to the “why did they invest if we’re not getting a new ground?” question.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6897 on: May 23, 2024, 12:06:40 PM »
Well, you know what thought did? Killed the cat.

Actually that may have been curiosity, but the point stands.

Kurt Zouma just entered the chat

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6898 on: May 23, 2024, 12:10:58 PM »
The appointments to the board though suggest bricks and mortar rather than South American conquest.


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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #6899 on: May 23, 2024, 12:15:51 PM »
Did the Atairos investment have anything to do with the rumoured purchase of Vasco Da Gama?

Possibly, who knows?

Quite. Just thought it might offer one answer to the “why did they invest if we’re not getting a new ground?” question.

I think the bigger question would be "why did our owners choose to sell?".

 


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