Villa Park Redevelopment

[Toronto Villa]

The challenging part of this is going to be watching the sausage being made versus what we hope will be a great end product. You have to think that this is not what Heck or the club actually wants to do but instead a short term remedy to what we hope will be a great long term solution. What isn’t easy is combining a new North if the rest of critical requirements, namely internal and external infrastructure doesn’t support it. It has to be a complete plan which is what we hope this turns out to be. If it means an uncomfortable short term proposal that’s fine as long as the long term committed vision is clearly articulated. We are all impatient for us to propel ourselves in football and non football terms. We’ve been left behind in both areas in the past 3 decades.

[Risso]

Next season in what could be our first time playing in the top European competition for 40 years do people really to do it in a three sided stadium? I realise that there is no perfect time for this work but that would seem to me to be the worst possible time.

There's the possibility that we might not qualify still, and even if we do, it might be the grand total of three extra games. And some of the games might be against the likes of Young Boys or Union Berlin, in which case the ground will probably not be full anyway. In short, it's not worth putting our future on hold for a competition we might not even qualify for anyway.

[VillaTim]

There is a general whiff of falling behind about all this, too.

Spurs in a brilliant 60k stadium, Everton building a 55k one, West Ham pulling 60k a game, Newcastle already with 51k and looking for more. Then us, shoe-horning extra seats in on the cheap, which is exactly what Ellis would do in these circumstances.

It is all such a let down.

Doug rebuilt the two biggest stands we have.

with his very own building company - Ellmanton Construction. He invented building.
Well  they did the Witton anyway and hoovered up the Platt money from the mafia

[Richard]

Next season in what could be our first time playing in the top European competition for 40 years do people really to do it in a three sided stadium? I realise that there is no perfect time for this work but that would seem to me to be the worst possible time.

There's the possibility that we might not qualify still, and even if we do, it might be the grand total of three extra games. And some of the games might be against the likes of Young Boys or Union Berlin, in which case the ground will probably not be full anyway. In short, it's not worth putting our future on hold for a competition we might not even qualify for anyway.

Take your point Risso although there will be 4 group games at home next season.

[Steve67]

Are they putting the seats in now (over the summer), so they can minimise the effect of the whole stand being knocked down as we all know it needs to happen at some point?

[nick harper]

I’m still struggling to understand why they suddenly don’t think they can fill a 50,000 ground. I presume Purslow had the stats to back it up given how far the plans had got.

I guess the 15% increase in pricing is not helping and maybe Heck thought the Midlands was a suburb of London, but the pricing for the Everton cup game was a pilot on how far they thought they could push things and that was a big failure. I don’t think the ham-fisted way they introduced TV and LG should be a barometer of demand given the ill-feeling it created.

I’m not as convinced as others there is a grand master plan waiting to be revealed. More likely they will see what they can squeeze from what they see as the existing demand.

[IFWaters]

Well if it is a total rebuild then I hope it's the most eff off amazing redbrick fortress , built to look like some steampunk Victorian zeppelin factory. Think Birmingham University Aston Webb buildings love child with the Albert Hall laced with Hagia Sophia style domes in 4 corners over the respective palaces of the Arts, Science, Industry and Literature to feature mosaics of Shakespeare and other figures from our city region. Atop a rebuilt Holte End doubled in size Golden lions with glowing red eyes and a visiting players tunnel painted black with claret neon sign "Meet Thy Doom".

[VillaTim]

I’m still struggling to understand why they suddenly don’t think they can fill a 50,000 ground. I presume Purslow had the stats to back it up given how far the plans had got.

I guess the 15% increase in pricing is not helping and maybe Heck thought the Midlands was a suburb of London, but the pricing for the Everton cup game was a pilot on how far they thought they could push things and that was a big failure. I don’t think the ham-fisted way they introduced TV and LG should be a barometer of demand given the ill-feeling it created.

I’m not as convinced as others there is a grand master plan waiting to be revealed. More likely they will see what they can squeeze from what they see as the existing demand.

did they ever publish the attendance ?

[nick harper]

I’m still struggling to understand why they suddenly don’t think they can fill a 50,000 ground. I presume Purslow had the stats to back it up given how far the plans had got.

I guess the 15% increase in pricing is not helping and maybe Heck thought the Midlands was a suburb of London, but the pricing for the Everton cup game was a pilot on how far they thought they could push things and that was a big failure. I don’t think the ham-fisted way they introduced TV and LG should be a barometer of demand given the ill-feeling it created.

I’m not as convinced as others there is a grand master plan waiting to be revealed. More likely they will see what they can squeeze from what they see as the existing demand.

did they ever publish the attendance ?

About 23k I believe.

[VillaTim]

I’m still struggling to understand why they suddenly don’t think they can fill a 50,000 ground. I presume Purslow had the stats to back it up given how far the plans had got.

I guess the 15% increase in pricing is not helping and maybe Heck thought the Midlands was a suburb of London, but the pricing for the Everton cup game was a pilot on how far they thought they could push things and that was a big failure. I don’t think the ham-fisted way they introduced TV and LG should be a barometer of demand given the ill-feeling it created.

I’m not as convinced as others there is a grand master plan waiting to be revealed. More likely they will see what they can squeeze from what they see as the existing demand.

did they ever publish the attendance ?

About 23k I believe.

was it published or is that a guess

[PeterWithesShin]

Everton was 23,851.

[Brazilian Villain]

Well if it is a total rebuild then I hope it's the most eff off amazing redbrick fortress , built to look like some steampunk Victorian zeppelin factory. Think Birmingham University Aston Webb buildings love child with the Albert Hall laced with Hagia Sophia style domes in 4 corners over the respective palaces of the Arts, Science, Industry and Literature to feature mosaics of Shakespeare and other figures from our city region. Atop a rebuilt Holte End doubled in size Golden lions with glowing red eyes and a visiting players tunnel painted black with claret neon sign "Meet Thy Doom".

Sounds a little understated for my tastes, but you're heading in the right direction.

[VillaTim]

Everton was 23,851.

and they bought 5000

[Percy McCarthy]

Well if it is a total rebuild then I hope it's the most eff off amazing redbrick fortress , built to look like some steampunk Victorian zeppelin factory. Think Birmingham University Aston Webb buildings love child with the Albert Hall laced with Hagia Sophia style domes in 4 corners over the respective palaces of the Arts, Science, Industry and Literature to feature mosaics of Shakespeare and other figures from our city region. Atop a rebuilt Holte End doubled in size Golden lions with glowing red eyes and a visiting players tunnel painted black with claret neon sign "Meet Thy Doom".

Perfect.

[pablo_picasso]

Well if it is a total rebuild then I hope it's the most eff off amazing redbrick fortress , built to look like some steampunk Victorian zeppelin factory. Think Birmingham University Aston Webb buildings love child with the Albert Hall laced with Hagia Sophia style domes in 4 corners over the respective palaces of the Arts, Science, Industry and Literature to feature mosaics of Shakespeare and other figures from our city region. Atop a rebuilt Holte End doubled in size Golden lions with glowing red eyes and a visiting players tunnel painted black with claret neon sign "Meet Thy Doom".

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