Villa Park Redevelopment

[Brazilian Villain]

There's a piece on The Athletic website by Greg Evans about the Brickworks.

It contains this sentence:

Although they’re some way behind arch-rivals Villa, it’s no secret that they’re hot on their heels on and off the pitch.

In the same way that I'm hot on the heels of Usain Bolt.

[walsall villain]

There's a piece on The Athletic website by Greg Evans about the Brickworks.

It contains this sentence:

Although they’re some way behind arch-rivals Villa, it’s no secret that they’re hot on their heels on and off the pitch.

In the same way that I'm hot on the heels of Usain Bolt.

How can you be both some way behind and hot on the heels?

[rob_bridge]

We will fill 50k for big games and if the tickets prices are frozen/reduced in real terms.

We won't sell 50k at £60 quid a throw for a bog standard game as Mr Woodall and others have pointed out we don't have the London tourism factor which can add thousands the gates of those in the top league in that dominant city.

I expect more price differentials over time especially if we continue to play in Europe. More so CL.

As for Blues if they are in the Top League and if they are doing well and if they have reasonably priced tickets and we are doing crap for a long period of time and.........
then they may be able to sell out for some games. If they flog tickets at £20 a throw they will easily sell out a few times a season.

However, despite the owners protestations, football is very much the secondary consideration as it will be a multi purpose stadium not a football ground.

Looking at it that way then the "good for the city as a whole" argument has some merit.

If there are 40000 additional NFL fans once or twice a year and 4 or 5 more concerts selling out and a similar number of visitors then as per NFL then it is a good argument. You'd have to be silly not to agree. Same with Rugby League grand final or whatever else is planned. However there are only a limited number of such events nationally each year so by the time it is built we will probably be a saturation point.

It does not mean Blues will ever be better (one season in 50 and counting) and never will be bigger than Villa 150 years and counting.

[jwarry]

at the end of the day a bit of competition can only be good to focus our owners minds

[rob_bridge]

at the end of the day a bit of competition can only be good to focus our owners minds

Well look at North London - all of a sudden Arsenal are looking at what they can do.

[Brazilian Villain]

at the end of the day a bit of competition can only be good to focus our owners minds

Well look at North London - all of a sudden Arsenal are looking at what they can do.

There are parallels. As soon as Brentford built a new stadium, Arsenal decided to update theirs.

[walsall villain]

We will fill 50k for big games and if the tickets prices are frozen/reduced in real terms.

We won't sell 50k at £60 quid a throw for a bog standard game as Mr Woodall and others have pointed out we don't have the London tourism factor which can add thousands the gates of those in the top league in that dominant city.

I expect more price differentials over time especially if we continue to play in Europe. More so CL.

As for Blues if they are in the Top League and if they are doing well and if they have reasonably priced tickets and we are doing crap for a long period of time and.........
then they may be able to sell out for some games. If they flog tickets at £20 a throw they will easily sell out a few times a season.

However, despite the owners protestations, football is very much the secondary consideration as it will be a multi purpose stadium not a football ground.

Looking at it that way then the "good for the city as a whole" argument has some merit.

If there are 40000 additional NFL fans once or twice a year and 4 or 5 more concerts selling out and a similar number of visitors then as per NFL then it is a good argument. You'd have to be silly not to agree. Same with Rugby League grand final or whatever else is planned. However there are only a limited number of such events nationally each year so by the time it is built we will probably be a saturation point.

It does not mean Blues will ever be better (one season in 50 and counting) and never will be bigger than Villa 150 years and counting.

Exactly! How much do clubs make from concerts? Villa Park has quite a few each year but I’ve no idea how much we get. I don’t see how a new build stadium generates massive amounts of income from non football events. You have to say most clubs fill there ground when in the premier league but I’m sure Blues will be exception to that if it truly is 62k

[Ads]

A gig at somewhere like Anfield adds £2.3m into the local economy as a whole with spending. Extrapolating how much Liverpool FC themselves would make ~£1m ball park. They're good to have been the promoter will be taking a bigger cut as will the artist, so £1m likely represents the ceiling and  needs to be indexed to say a Taylor Swift/Springsteen level of gig.

[rob_bridge]

A gig at somewhere like Anfield adds £2.3m into the local economy as a whole with spending. Extrapolating how much Liverpool FC themselves would make ~£1m ball park. They're good to have been the promoter will be taking a bigger cut as will the artist, so £1m likely represents the ceiling and  needs to be indexed to say a Taylor Swift/Springsteen level of gig.

Spuds generate 20m from non footballing events - up to 30 per annum.

Lers say 10m profit for 15-16 current events.

Nice little earner pays a few months interest on stadium debt servicing.

Blues would need 20-25 to generate similar. Assuming HS2 and tram infrastructure up and running in 5 years.

[walsall villain]

A gig at somewhere like Anfield adds £2.3m into the local economy as a whole with spending. Extrapolating how much Liverpool FC themselves would make ~£1m ball park. They're good to have been the promoter will be taking a bigger cut as will the artist, so £1m likely represents the ceiling and  needs to be indexed to say a Taylor Swift/Springsteen level of gig.

Spuds generate 20m from non footballing events - up to 30 per annum.

Lers say 10m profit for 15-16 current events.

Nice little earner pays a few months interest on stadium debt servicing.

Blues would need 20-25 to generate similar. Assuming HS2 and tram infrastructure up and running in 5 years.

Isn’t the revised HS2 completion date more like a decade away?

[dave.woodhall]

Villa rent out the ground to the promoter. We also get a percentage of ticket sales and (I think) all the hospitality. Catering is the same arrangement we have for our matches. The difference between us and that lot is that we own our ground. 

[cdbearsfan]

I thought we sold it when we were in the Championship?

[algy]

A gig at somewhere like Anfield adds £2.3m into the local economy as a whole with spending. Extrapolating how much Liverpool FC themselves would make ~£1m ball park. They're good to have been the promoter will be taking a bigger cut as will the artist, so £1m likely represents the ceiling and  needs to be indexed to say a Taylor Swift/Springsteen level of gig.

Spuds generate 20m from non footballing events - up to 30 per annum.

Lers say 10m profit for 15-16 current events.

Nice little earner pays a few months interest on stadium debt servicing.

Blues would need 20-25 to generate similar. Assuming HS2 and tram infrastructure up and running in 5 years.

Isn’t the revised HS2 completion date more like a decade away?

They’re unknown

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0wr7nw7wxo

But given the date *was* 2033, I’d be (pleasantly) surprised if it’s finished by 2035.

[not3bad]

I thought we sold it when we were in the Championship?

Didn't we sell it to ourselves?

[PeterWithesShin]

We sold it to the owners, so we don't own it.