Champions League restructuring

[Risso]

We all like to think they would be different but that we will never know

I really don’t know about our joint owners how they would’ve played it
they’ve not put a foot wrong so far and have saved us from oblivion
 so I’m going to take their side on all matters as it stands

I do think Purslow would not have been able to get his pen out fast enough though
But again Sheer conjecture

I saw Sawiris at Villa Park a few times last season. He celebrated like a mad man when we scored. I think he and his family are rich enough that they wouldn't need to be swayed financially.  I guess we'll never know as we probably weren't invited. but other teams are never going to vote for something that then precludes them from a certain competition.

[cdbearsfan]

https://reclaimourgame.com/

All their requests seem reasonable enough to me. Hopefully they or another organisation can keep up the pressure for reform and, at the least, persuade UEFA to rethink the horrible Champions League reforms.

I'd like to think the fan power that prevented the creation of the Scab League would be the start rather than the end of a movement for change.

[dr.chekov]

This is great from the Spirit of Shankly lot...

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/1384841145323343875

It's certainly spot on about UEFA and the new Champions league deal. It's one step away from the ESL proposal though I imagine it will all get brushed under the carpet.

It's correct but nothing different than has been discussed on H&V.
The fans of the scab 6 could learn a lot by talking and listening to the fans of the PL14 whose clubs didn't try to sh-t on everybody else.

And vice versa. It was protests from the supporters of those six clubs that made the difference. Their owners wouldn’t have given a shit if it was just Villa or Leeds or Everton fans protesting. But because it was their own fans they had to listen.

And SoS aren’t talking about making things better just for Liverpool, they are talking about making things better for the fans of every club.

Like I said, they're not saying anything different to what Villa fans are saying and no doubt fans of other PL clubs not involved in the esl.
Leeds had a 200 strong protest, Chelsea 1000, but I suspect the pressure from the PL14 and eufa/fifa (as well as from some quarters of the media) was more telling.
What is demonstrated is that the owners, ceo's of the 6 didn't even understand their own supporters in making the decisions they did. I can sympathise with them for that at least.

I think we’re going to have to sympathise with them a lot more than that if we don’t want to have to rely on the likes of Uefa/Fifa, the Prem and SKY/BT to ‘protect’ football.

The only way to stop money running the game to an ever-increasing extent is to stand together with fans of every club.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't hold my breath regarding the fans of the scab 6. After all it's not like they've protested much in the years leading up to their clubs' collective brainfarts this week when everyone could see champions league and ffp (amongst other things) would benefit them at the expence of everybody else. My hope is that the PL14 will effect change on the domestic scene and then it's up to the European bodies to do their job.

PL14 as the good guys? My turn not to hold my breath. 

Incidentally, where did the name scab 6 come from?

A scab, as the old definition goes, is a powerless person who destroys the only power the powerless have.

The 6 have more power than anybody else and want even more of it. 

[Drummond]

One of Liverpool's sponsors has pulled the plug because of their involvement in the ESL, only a minor one (Tribus) but hopefully a sign of things to come.

Carragher quipped that he had already got a watch from them so he was sorted. I know he was having a laugh but having bantz on "greed" seemed a bit off-key.

Carragher misjudging a situation and being a twat? No way?

I'm still amazed this never gets mentioned any more; he's just a classless twat.

[olaftab]

Incidentally, where did the name scab 6 come from?

A scab, as the old definition goes, is a powerless person who destroys the only power the powerless have.

The 6 have more power than anybody else and want even more of it. 

A scab, to me, has always been a person who breaks rank. Normally those who stitched you up in school playground or at work those who walked past picket lines etc. So I think scab 6 is a fitting title.

[Sexual Ealing]

Yes, Aftab. They broke the solidarity with their notional 14 partners. They are scabs.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

This is great from the Spirit of Shankly lot...

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/1384841145323343875

It's certainly spot on about UEFA and the new Champions league deal. It's one step away from the ESL proposal though I imagine it will all get brushed under the carpet.

It's correct but nothing different than has been discussed on H&V.
The fans of the scab 6 could learn a lot by talking and listening to the fans of the PL14 whose clubs didn't try to sh-t on everybody else.

And vice versa. It was protests from the supporters of those six clubs that made the difference. Their owners wouldn’t have given a shit if it was just Villa or Leeds or Everton fans protesting. But because it was their own fans they had to listen.

And SoS aren’t talking about making things better just for Liverpool, they are talking about making things better for the fans of every club.

Like I said, they're not saying anything different to what Villa fans are saying and no doubt fans of other PL clubs not involved in the esl.
Leeds had a 200 strong protest, Chelsea 1000, but I suspect the pressure from the PL14 and eufa/fifa (as well as from some quarters of the media) was more telling.
What is demonstrated is that the owners, ceo's of the 6 didn't even understand their own supporters in making the decisions they did. I can sympathise with them for that at least.

I think we’re going to have to sympathise with them a lot more than that if we don’t want to have to rely on the likes of Uefa/Fifa, the Prem and SKY/BT to ‘protect’ football.

The only way to stop money running the game to an ever-increasing extent is to stand together with fans of every club.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't hold my breath regarding the fans of the scab 6. After all it's not like they've protested much in the years leading up to their clubs' collective brainfarts this week when everyone could see champions league and ffp (amongst other things) would benefit them at the expence of everybody else. My hope is that the PL14 will effect change on the domestic scene and then it's up to the European bodies to do their job.

PL14 as the good guys? My turn not to hold my breath. 

Incidentally, where did the name scab 6 come from?

A scab, as the old definition goes, is a powerless person who destroys the only power the powerless have.

The 6 have more power than anybody else and want even more of it.

Please whatever you do, don't hold your breath!
Are Villa not one of the good guys then?
That's a strange interpretation of what's happened this week.
Sky 6 or scab 6 all the same to me.
Enjoy your day!

[PaulWinch again]

I’ve read Perez’s latest statement. It translates to - “waaah, waaah, waaaaaah. Real Madrid can’t afford anyone.”

[Martin Carruthers]

Everyone stop being beastly to Real Madrid. I think it's perfectly reasonable to change the whole set up of European football so they can buy who they want for a squillion pounds. I've asked my boss for a pay rise because I can't afford a Ferrari, can't imagine him saying no.

[Monty]

He was whingeing that Real and Barca lose money when, like, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU DIDN'T SPUNK IT ALL ON STRIKERS YOU DON'T NEED.

[dr.chekov]

This is great from the Spirit of Shankly lot...

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/1384841145323343875

It's certainly spot on about UEFA and the new Champions league deal. It's one step away from the ESL proposal though I imagine it will all get brushed under the carpet.

It's correct but nothing different than has been discussed on H&V.
The fans of the scab 6 could learn a lot by talking and listening to the fans of the PL14 whose clubs didn't try to sh-t on everybody else.

And vice versa. It was protests from the supporters of those six clubs that made the difference. Their owners wouldn’t have given a shit if it was just Villa or Leeds or Everton fans protesting. But because it was their own fans they had to listen.

And SoS aren’t talking about making things better just for Liverpool, they are talking about making things better for the fans of every club.

Like I said, they're not saying anything different to what Villa fans are saying and no doubt fans of other PL clubs not involved in the esl.
Leeds had a 200 strong protest, Chelsea 1000, but I suspect the pressure from the PL14 and eufa/fifa (as well as from some quarters of the media) was more telling.
What is demonstrated is that the owners, ceo's of the 6 didn't even understand their own supporters in making the decisions they did. I can sympathise with them for that at least.

I think we’re going to have to sympathise with them a lot more than that if we don’t want to have to rely on the likes of Uefa/Fifa, the Prem and SKY/BT to ‘protect’ football.

The only way to stop money running the game to an ever-increasing extent is to stand together with fans of every club.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't hold my breath regarding the fans of the scab 6. After all it's not like they've protested much in the years leading up to their clubs' collective brainfarts this week when everyone could see champions league and ffp (amongst other things) would benefit them at the expence of everybody else. My hope is that the PL14 will effect change on the domestic scene and then it's up to the European bodies to do their job.

PL14 as the good guys? My turn not to hold my breath. 

Incidentally, where did the name scab 6 come from?

A scab, as the old definition goes, is a powerless person who destroys the only power the powerless have.

The 6 have more power than anybody else and want even more of it.

Please whatever you do, don't hold your breath!
Are Villa not one of the good guys then?
That's a strange interpretation of what's happened this week.
Sky 6 or scab 6 all the same to me.
Enjoy your day!

But Sky were against the 6. Sky are presenting themselves as the good guys. Uefa and FIFA are presenting themselves as the good guys. The Government and Politicians. And as Olaftab said a couple of pages back, rightly in my opinion, Villa would probably have acted the same way given half the chance.

The supporters are the ‘good guys’. The football business is shit. The 6 wanted to make it more shit. The Spirit of Shankley want to make it less shit. If supporters of all clubs show solidarity we have more chance of achieving that.

That’s my interpretation of what happened this week. I’m struggling to see what is the slightest bit contentious about it.

[cdbearsfan]

He was whingeing that Real and Barca lose money when, like, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU DIDN'T SPUNK IT ALL ON STRIKERS YOU DON'T NEED.

They spent £340 million the summer before last. Poor skint Real.

[eamonn]

He was whingeing that Real and Barca lose money when, like, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF YOU DIDN'T SPUNK IT ALL ON STRIKERS YOU DON'T NEED.

Yeah, Benzema is all you need (well, France don't. Did they ever get to the bottom of that sex tape/blackmailing shiz?).

[Ad@m]

It's not Real's fault - it's those unelected EU bureaucrat rotters in Brussels, stopping the Spanish and regional governments from bankrolling them...

https://www.ft.com/content/2b6aa26f-f2ac-426f-b218-612f4c21695c

[Stu]

It's not Real's fault - it's those unelected EU bureaucrat rotters in Brussels, stopping the Spanish and regional governments from bankrolling them...

https://www.ft.com/content/2b6aa26f-f2ac-426f-b218-612f4c21695c

Paywall. Can anyone do the honours?