Champions League restructuring

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

This is great from the Spirit of Shankly lot...

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/1384841145323343875

It's certainly spot on about UEFA and the new Champions league deal. It's one step away from the ESL proposal though I imagine it will all get brushed under the carpet.

It's correct but nothing different than has been discussed on H&V.
The fans of the scab 6 could learn a lot by talking and listening to the fans of the PL14 whose clubs didn't try to sh-t on everybody else.

And vice versa. It was protests from the supporters of those six clubs that made the difference. Their owners wouldn’t have given a shit if it was just Villa or Leeds or Everton fans protesting. But because it was their own fans they had to listen.

And SoS aren’t talking about making things better just for Liverpool, they are talking about making things better for the fans of every club.

Like I said, they're not saying anything different to what Villa fans are saying and no doubt fans of other PL clubs not involved in the esl.
Leeds had a 200 strong protest, Chelsea 1000, but I suspect the pressure from the PL14 and eufa/fifa (as well as from some quarters of the media) was more telling.
What is demonstrated is that the owners, ceo's of the 6 didn't even understand their own supporters in making the decisions they did. I can sympathise with them for that at least.

[TonyD]

Spurs can knock 15-20% off their debt by selling Kane and Son this summer.  Same with Liverpool selling Salah & Mane (if anybody can afford them).  Fuck them, let them compete on a level playing field like the rest of us.

The Champions league was a terrible development in footballing, it's just skewed finances too far.  Extending it with some almost guaranteed entries is a terrible idea.

Kane is a fine player but who can afford an injury prone (who suffers the same type of injury) 28 year old with 3+ years on their contract. Citeh or PSG could but is he their type of player? I doubt it.

Unless Spurs wanted to accept a much lower than expected fee, which is counterproductive when dealing with their debt, then I can’t see it happening.

Kane is arguably the best striker in the world in his prime.  I know a lot of clubs are skint but I still think clubs will fall over eachother to buy him.

I think the teams likely to be able to afford him would be after Mbappe or Haaland first.

But who are these teams?  Most of the top clubs are in debt.   Citeh and Chelsea have money but not bottomless and there is the FP rules etc

[Nev]

Another mealy mouthed apology from Joel Glazer. All of them are not sorry they tried, they're sorry they failed. They've not done anything right they've just been dissuaded from doing the wrong thing.

[Stu]

If no clubs are willing or able to pay mega money for Kane and Spurs have to sell then they will have to drop his price. Either that or he agrees to a significant wage cut.

Same with RM and Barcelona - if they need to sell players to repay debts then they have to do that. A few years in the wilderness won't do these fuckers any harm and it might have the benefit of adjusting their attitude.

I have got no time for the argument that it isn't their fans fault therefore it isn't fair to mete out punishments to the clubs involved. Of course it isn't the fans' fault, but other fans have had to suffer incompetent ownership and no one gave a fuck. It's just another part of football and they should not be protected.

[dr.chekov]

This is great from the Spirit of Shankly lot...

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/1384841145323343875

It's certainly spot on about UEFA and the new Champions league deal. It's one step away from the ESL proposal though I imagine it will all get brushed under the carpet.

It's correct but nothing different than has been discussed on H&V.
The fans of the scab 6 could learn a lot by talking and listening to the fans of the PL14 whose clubs didn't try to sh-t on everybody else.

And vice versa. It was protests from the supporters of those six clubs that made the difference. Their owners wouldn’t have given a shit if it was just Villa or Leeds or Everton fans protesting. But because it was their own fans they had to listen.

And SoS aren’t talking about making things better just for Liverpool, they are talking about making things better for the fans of every club.

Like I said, they're not saying anything different to what Villa fans are saying and no doubt fans of other PL clubs not involved in the esl.
Leeds had a 200 strong protest, Chelsea 1000, but I suspect the pressure from the PL14 and eufa/fifa (as well as from some quarters of the media) was more telling.
What is demonstrated is that the owners, ceo's of the 6 didn't even understand their own supporters in making the decisions they did. I can sympathise with them for that at least.

I think we’re going to have to sympathise with them a lot more than that if we don’t want to have to rely on the likes of Uefa/Fifa, the Prem and SKY/BT to ‘protect’ football.

The only way to stop money running the game to an ever-increasing extent is to stand together with fans of every club. 

[olaftab]

This is great from the Spirit of Shankly lot...

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/1384841145323343875

It's certainly spot on about UEFA and the new Champions league deal. It's one step away from the ESL proposal though I imagine it will all get brushed under the carpet.

Absolutely this. This is worst thing that has happened this week.

[olaftab]

(i’m also aware that one of our joint owners is also American)

And, IMO, having made his money from equity investing he wouldn't act any differently if we were in the same position as  the scab6. 

[Monty]

Seems like ECA is actually ready, in the absence of the Scab 12, to challenge the awful idea of 2 extra places for being 'big'. The counter proposal is some sort of qualification bypass for champions of smaller leagues, which would be an absolutely massive improvement.

I'm slightly surprised by this, as outside of England the kind of sides most likely to miss out from a bad year (Napoli, Sevilla, Roma who were even mentioned by Agnelli months ago defending the idea) are the most powerful remaining in the ECA, but cool, whatever works.

[CT]

I’m sure the fans and players of Bury and Bolton didn’t want shitty owners destroying their clubs from the inside.

But they were punished with points deductions and expulsion.

[eamonn]

One of Liverpool's sponsors has pulled the plug because of their involvement in the ESL, only a minor one (Tribus) but hopefully a sign of things to come.

Carragher quipped that he had already got a watch from them so he was sorted. I know he was having a laugh but having bantz on "greed" seemed a bit off-key.

[cdbearsfan]

Seems like ECA is actually ready, in the absence of the Scab 12, to challenge the awful idea of 2 extra places for being 'big'. The counter proposal is some sort of qualification bypass for champions of smaller leagues, which would be an absolutely massive improvement.

This would be a great first gesture to show that football has actually listened.

[john e]

(i’m also aware that one of our joint owners is also American)

And, IMO, having made his money from equity investing he wouldn't act any differently if we were in the same position as  the scab6. 

We all like to think they would be different but that we will never know

I really don’t know about our joint owners how they would’ve played it
they’ve not put a foot wrong so far and have saved us from oblivion
 so I’m going to take their side on all matters as it stands

I do think Purslow would not have been able to get his pen out fast enough though
But again Sheer conjecture

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

This is great from the Spirit of Shankly lot...

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/1384841145323343875

It's certainly spot on about UEFA and the new Champions league deal. It's one step away from the ESL proposal though I imagine it will all get brushed under the carpet.

It's correct but nothing different than has been discussed on H&V.
The fans of the scab 6 could learn a lot by talking and listening to the fans of the PL14 whose clubs didn't try to sh-t on everybody else.

And vice versa. It was protests from the supporters of those six clubs that made the difference. Their owners wouldn’t have given a shit if it was just Villa or Leeds or Everton fans protesting. But because it was their own fans they had to listen.

And SoS aren’t talking about making things better just for Liverpool, they are talking about making things better for the fans of every club.

Like I said, they're not saying anything different to what Villa fans are saying and no doubt fans of other PL clubs not involved in the esl.
Leeds had a 200 strong protest, Chelsea 1000, but I suspect the pressure from the PL14 and eufa/fifa (as well as from some quarters of the media) was more telling.
What is demonstrated is that the owners, ceo's of the 6 didn't even understand their own supporters in making the decisions they did. I can sympathise with them for that at least.

I think we’re going to have to sympathise with them a lot more than that if we don’t want to have to rely on the likes of Uefa/Fifa, the Prem and SKY/BT to ‘protect’ football.

The only way to stop money running the game to an ever-increasing extent is to stand together with fans of every club.

You'll have to excuse me if I don't hold my breath regarding the fans of the scab 6. After all it's not like they've protested much in the years leading up to their clubs' collective brainfarts this week when everyone could see champions league and ffp (amongst other things) would benefit them at the expence of everybody else. My hope is that the PL14 will effect change on the domestic scene and then it's up to the European bodies to do their job.

[Nev]

So Man City are brilliant champions elect and what of Spurs? Great comeback.

It's forgotten already.

[cdbearsfan]

No it isn't. They're hardly going to refuse to talk about matches that are taking place until every one of those clubs' employees has been tarred and feathered.