Champions League restructuring

[WarszaVillan]

It's time to go down the German route of club ownership. It would sort this shit out.

Come and see what you could have won

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/15/jeremy-corbyn-attacks-pricing-out-of-football-fans-in-premier-league

[Sexual Ealing]

Hard to emphasise how much worse Juve are than anything you can imagine from Man Utd or Liverpool. Their fans are super in favour (Milan moderately, Inter are pretty divided to be fair), and when Agnelli was told at a Serie A meeting today that the extra money would let them win the league every year he just replied 'same as the last 80 years then'. Cue insults.

It's difficult to express. If you meet someone in Verona, say, or Florence, who calls themselves a Juve fan with no other connection to Piedmont, you know everything about them already. Starfuckers, modernity-hogs, boring-as-hell macho lads who wear the same puffer jackets and white trainers and boring slick haircuts with no dreams, no imagination, and who think racism in football is 'blown out of proportion', whose ideal holiday destination is Dubai and who, once there, will eat nothing but whatever Italian food they can find and splatter it all over Instagram. As my girlfriend's mum would call them 'cani senza patria'.

I like the sound of your girlfriend's mother, which I don't mean as weirdly as it looks when typed out!

[Billy Walker]

That interview with Florentino Perez was characteristically illuminating. 'Football is about the big clubs playing each other', 'how dare Ceferin insult the president of a great club like Juventus', all this shit. Just a reminder of the absolute, illimitable, Francoist entitlement behind all this.

Bear in mind Perez also said "The young people want this?"
What people?
How young?
Where are they?

Bollocks.

Football is about being competitive and risk of jeopardy.  What a lying prick.   

I kind of see what he is getting at.

I think there is a huge swathe of people (saddos) in the world who have never kicked a ball, never been part of a football crowd, never experienced the feelings associated with attending a match with that ball of nerves in the pit of your stomach, making you feel sick.
Never experienced the elation of winning a big game or the utter misery of a defeat.

BUT, they play FIFA or other football related computer games.
They know all the players from the ‘big clubs’ because they are in ‘their’ virtual teams.
They know all the stats of the top players because they study them like a high level game of Top Trumps.

Those are the people being targeted by the new league.
Most of the people who will pay to watch those super league games will never attend a game. They will never have attended one.

This new league wants ‘virtual’ fans watching a ‘ virtual PRODUCT’ but paying real money for the experience.

I wonder what the people of Liverpool , Manchester etc will think when their clubs are eventually relocated to  the US, Middle east etc.  because that's what the "superleague" plan  leads to.

[dave.woodhall]

I can never understand why Juve attract so many gloryhunters when they're far less successful than the Milan clubs.

[Nunkin1965]

That interview with Florentino Perez was characteristically illuminating. 'Football is about the big clubs playing each other', 'how dare Ceferin insult the president of a great club like Juventus', all this shit. Just a reminder of the absolute, illimitable, Francoist entitlement behind all this.

Bear in mind Perez also said "The young people want this?"
What people?
How young?
Where are they?

Bollocks.

Football is about being competitive and risk of jeopardy.  What a lying prick.   

I kind of see what he is getting at.

I think there is a huge swathe of people (saddos) in the world who have never kicked a ball, never been part of a football crowd, never experienced the feelings associated with attending a match with that ball of nerves in the pit of your stomach, making you feel sick.
Never experienced the elation of winning a big game or the utter misery of a defeat.

BUT, they play FIFA or other football related computer games.
They know all the players from the ‘big clubs’ because they are in ‘their’ virtual teams.
They know all the stats of the top players because they study them like a high level game of Top Trumps.

Those are the people being targeted by the new league.
Most of the people who will pay to watch those super league games will never attend a game. They will never have attended one.

This new league wants ‘virtual’ fans watching a ‘ virtual PRODUCT’ but paying real money for the experience.

Excellent post andyh. Frightening but accurate. The ESL logic in a nutshell.

Yes, Andy, mate. You've hit the nail on the head there.

And I think this last paragraph confirms Andy’s excellent post

Anas Laghrari, the Secretary General of the Super League, has threatened that the tournament could start as early as September 2021, if an agreement can be reached with Uefa.

Laghrari said: "The Super League has prepared for this, threats of exclusion are not legal. The timeline could accelerate. If an agreement is reached with UEFA, the competition could start as early as September 2021."

When asked what the justification for the League was, he added: "The younger generations are less interested in football. They only tune in for the big matches."[/b]

So can we all agree now that WHU v Villa, Everton v Bournemouth and Arsenal v Watford on the last day of last season were not “big matches”?

I notice they’ve already given themselves fancy titles. They’ve already got presidents, chairmen, vice chairmen, CEOs and now a Secretary General

Spot on Andy and great post.
The likes of us are no longer the target and they see the typical supporters as something that is expendible.
But there are so many of us and the power is something that they underestimate.
The whole argument from these clubs is that football couldn't survive without them.
Maybe that's not the case if the reliance on them is changed in some way.
They are targeting an audience that may not necessarily last the distance.
After all its a throwaway society. Surely a gimmick of a league will get boring to an audience with no loyalty or history that only goes from the last PS5 title.

There's a point. FIFA 22 without the big clubs??

[ChicagoLion]

There is no doubt they will be playing these games over seas. I think Manure sold out a friendly in the US a couple of years ago 100k+.

I wonder how long these new supporters will hang around for before they get bored and switch over to fake Wrestling or some other Bollocks.

[Monty]

I can never understand why Juve attract so many gloryhunters when they're far less successful than the Milan clubs.

Well, they've now won as many league titles as Inter and Milan combined (36 to 18 each respectively).

There is no doubt they will be playing these games over seas. I think Manure sold out a friendly in the US a couple of years ago 100k+.

I wonder how long these new supporters will hang around for before they get bored and switch over to fake Wrestling or some other Bollocks.

Wrestling is much better than a Super League, because it's an honest fix i.e. a show. This ESL is turning real sport into fake sport while pretending it's still real, and anyone who watches it is a huge fucking mark.

[Scott Nielsen]

I can never understand why Juve attract so many gloryhunters when they're far less successful than the Milan clubs.

You mean far less successful in Europe? I suppose they are when compared against Milan but I don't think Juve has that big of an international following, do they?

Domestically though... seems like half of bloody Italy supports them. Don't they have as many scudettos as Milan and Inter combined now?

[German James]

I wonder what the people of Liverpool , Manchester etc will think when their clubs are eventually relocated to  the US, Middle east etc.  because that's what the "superleague" plan  leads to.

That the plan's even been mooted surely means that the clubs don't see themselves as belonging to the people of Liverpool, Mancester etc. any more.

Every fan of every other club in the EPL has been rightly angry at how much the set up favours these big* clubs since about 1994. The best possible outcome would be for them to succeed, get banned from playing in any other competions and one after the other go bankrupt. It's hard on the "Legacy fans" (and hell isn't hot enough for the ****** who thought that gem up), but it might be the only chance to redress the balance and make the league competative. Of course I want Villa to get into a European competition. I want us to win everything going, but I want to us to compete with clubs of the same level. I would have hated to have been like Manchester City when they bought the world.



*rich

[dave.woodhall]

I can never understand why Juve attract so many gloryhunters when they're far less successful than the Milan clubs.

You mean far less successful in Europe? I suppose they are when compared against Milan but I don't think Juve has that big of an international following, do they?

Domestically though... seems like half of bloody Italy supports them. Don't they have as many scudettos as Milan and Inter combined now?

I didn't realise that, which shows how much notice I take of Italian football now. It's more their lack of European success that I was thinking of.

[ADVILLAFAN]

They don't have a great record in the European Cup. Something like 2 wins and runners up 5 times.

Harder when you can't buy off the officials I guess.

[ChicagoLion]

I can never understand why Juve attract so many gloryhunters when they're far less successful than the Milan clubs.

You mean far less successful in Europe? I suppose they are when compared against Milan but I don't think Juve has that big of an international following, do they?

Domestically though... seems like half of bloody Italy supports them. Don't they have as many scudettos as Milan and Inter combined now?

I didn't realise that, which shows how much notice I take of Italian football now. It's more their lack of European success that I was thinking of.

Helped by leaving a Rolex for the ref and linesmen in their kit bags at every game.

[Monty]

I can never understand why Juve attract so many gloryhunters when they're far less successful than the Milan clubs.

You mean far less successful in Europe? I suppose they are when compared against Milan but I don't think Juve has that big of an international following, do they?

Domestically though... seems like half of bloody Italy supports them. Don't they have as many scudettos as Milan and Inter combined now?

I didn't realise that, which shows how much notice I take of Italian football now. It's more their lack of European success that I was thinking of.

They have as many European Cups as Forest, who to the best of my knowledge never locked a referee in a cupboard for refusing to take a bung.

Also, who are majority-owned by the grandson of a billionaire industrialist who's never worked a day in his life and embodies every inch of entitlement, arrogance and one-percentery that ruins the world in every aspect, every day.

You know, the club and the people that run it who really deserve special treatment and eternal success.

[cdbearsfan]

I think scudetti is the correct plural. Still utter ****** long before these proposals came out. Bribing their way to a title, then releasing a shirt with "25 titles on the pitch" written on them. Because titles you've won by paying referees should count...

Absolute twats.

[usav]

I can never understand why Juve attract so many gloryhunters when they're far less successful than the Milan clubs.

They are "Italy's team", according to my mate from uni who was from Sicily.