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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #240 on: November 23, 2020, 03:15:20 PM »
What a strange write up that is, portraying March as though he had made a measured thoughout great tackle and won Brighton the game. Were the reality is March was absolutely shitting it as soon as he made the tackle because he knew that he had fouled him.
I was absolutely fuming when the pen was disallowed and convinced the ref had cocked up.  But the reality is he got a big touch on the ball.  Are people saying any contact after / during a tackle should be a foul?  If so, that's the end of any tough tackles and sliding challenges etc that fans enjoy so much.  I'm not saying Ben Mee type assualts should be allowed, but do we really want to take all contcact out of tackling?

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #241 on: November 23, 2020, 03:21:47 PM »
What a strange write up that is, portraying March as though he had made a measured thoughout great tackle and won Brighton the game. Were the reality is March was absolutely shitting it as soon as he made the tackle because he knew that he had fouled him.
I was absolutely fuming when the pen was disallowed and convinced the ref had cocked up.  But the reality is he got a big touch on the ball.  Are people saying any contact after / during a tackle should be a foul?  If so, that's the end of any tough tackles and sliding challenges etc that fans enjoy so much.  I'm not saying Ben Mee type assualts should be allowed, but do we really want to take all contcact out of tackling?

I wouldn't say it was a big touch. The ball was bobbling after the 'tackle' and Trez could have very easily ran onto it, if he hadn't been tripped up.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #242 on: November 23, 2020, 03:23:40 PM »
I thought it was a penalty, but looking back I could see why perhaps it wasn't given. I'm just fed up with Var though - sometimes we get the decision sometimes not, but however it goes it takes away a lot of the fun of watching football.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #243 on: November 23, 2020, 03:27:17 PM »
The thing about that ‘penalty’ is that if it had been given there wouldn’t have been an outcry saying it shouldn’t have been a pen.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #244 on: November 23, 2020, 03:51:06 PM »
What a strange write up that is, portraying March as though he had made a measured thoughout great tackle and won Brighton the game. Were the reality is March was absolutely shitting it as soon as he made the tackle because he knew that he had fouled him.
I was absolutely fuming when the pen was disallowed and convinced the ref had cocked up.  But the reality is he got a big touch on the ball.  Are people saying any contact after / during a tackle should be a foul?  If so, that's the end of any tough tackles and sliding challenges etc that fans enjoy so much.  I'm not saying Ben Mee type assualts should be allowed, but do we really want to take all contcact out of tackling?

I wouldn't say it was a big touch. The ball was bobbling after the 'tackle' and Trez could have very easily ran onto it, if he hadn't been tripped up.
It was big enough for the balls direction to change by about 90 degrees and out of Trez's path.  As for tripping him up, Trez could have stayed on his feet if he wanted but obviously went down when he felt the contact as most players would.

Yesterday I was convinced it was a pen, but having watched it properly today I've changed my mind.

Edit - watch it here, the defenders touch moves the ball by a yard or so.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12140105/ref-watch-dermot-gallagher-on-conor-gallagher-bruno-fernandes-incident-not-a-penalty
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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #245 on: November 23, 2020, 04:07:42 PM »
In what world do people think that is not a penalty? I respect one's right to an opinion, but Trez cuts the ball back and the defender gets a touch but then proceeds to hack Trez's shins. Let's allow that the player "defended the ball" (which is dubious), he then impedes Trez's ability to continue to play and chase down the ball by taking him down in the box. By any reasonable standard, that is a penalty. Again, I respect a person's right to view it as a fair play, but it surprises me greatly that anyone does!

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #246 on: November 23, 2020, 04:18:28 PM »
I'm with you pelty.  I would also question that the direction of the ball changed by 90' - to me it wasn't even half that.  What gets me is that in Ladymans article he talks about March deflecting the ball with boot when in reality the only thing his boot connected with us Trez's shin.  How can Ladyman and so many others see something didn't happen.  Please correct me if I'm wrong but to me there was absolutely no boot to ball contact .

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #247 on: November 23, 2020, 04:18:34 PM »
What a strange write up that is, portraying March as though he had made a measured thoughout great tackle and won Brighton the game. Were the reality is March was absolutely shitting it as soon as he made the tackle because he knew that he had fouled him.
I was absolutely fuming when the pen was disallowed and convinced the ref had cocked up.  But the reality is he got a big touch on the ball.  Are people saying any contact after / during a tackle should be a foul?  If so, that's the end of any tough tackles and sliding challenges etc that fans enjoy so much.  I'm not saying Ben Mee type assualts should be allowed, but do we really want to take all contcact out of tackling?
For me, the acid test is whether that foul would have been given if outside the box: if you review all the fouls awarded during the game you'll find several similar to the March 'tackle'.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #248 on: November 23, 2020, 04:27:55 PM »
In what world do people think that is not a penalty? I respect one's right to an opinion, but Trez cuts the ball back and the defender gets a touch but then proceeds to hack Trez's shins. Let's allow that the player "defended the ball" (which is dubious), he then impedes Trez's ability to continue to play and chase down the ball by taking him down in the box. By any reasonable standard, that is a penalty. Again, I respect a person's right to view it as a fair play, but it surprises me greatly that anyone does!
So by definition you think every tackle with contact is a foul?  Every sliding tackle is a foul etc?

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #249 on: November 23, 2020, 04:30:41 PM »
Which is exactly what happened in the Liverpool v Leicester game yesterday evening. Justin tackled Milner, touching the ball and then went through him, foul given and yellow card. The fact it was 40 yards from goal should be no different to if it was 10 yards from goal.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #250 on: November 23, 2020, 04:36:04 PM »
I'm with you pelty.  I would also question that the direction of the ball changed by 90' - to me it wasn't even half that.  What gets me is that in Ladymans article he talks about March deflecting the ball with boot when in reality the only thing his boot connected with us Trez's shin.  How can Ladyman and so many others see something didn't happen.  Please correct me if I'm wrong but to me there was absolutely no boot to ball contact .

There's one angle of replay where it looks like boot. Every other one shows it flicking off the outside of his calf.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #251 on: November 23, 2020, 04:36:47 PM »
Which is exactly what happened in the Liverpool v Leicester game yesterday evening. Justin tackled Milner, touching the ball and then went through him, foul given and yellow card. The fact it was 40 yards from goal should be no different to if it was 10 yards from goal.
So was this tackle at the 1 minute mark a foul?  Freddie gets the ball perfectly but undoubtedly there's contact and he takes the player down in the process?

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1068385856890119
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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #252 on: November 23, 2020, 04:51:42 PM »
In what world do people think that is not a penalty? I respect one's right to an opinion, but Trez cuts the ball back and the defender gets a touch but then proceeds to hack Trez's shins. Let's allow that the player "defended the ball" (which is dubious), he then impedes Trez's ability to continue to play and chase down the ball by taking him down in the box. By any reasonable standard, that is a penalty. Again, I respect a person's right to view it as a fair play, but it surprises me greatly that anyone does!
So by definition you think every tackle with contact is a foul?  Every sliding tackle is a foul etc?

If you win the ball, no. If having missed with your hoped-for challenge you barely or accidentally brush it and don't alter either its direction or the opposing player's possession of it and then clatter said opponent, yes. As ever in these circumstances, I'd like to submit the precedent of Johnson vs Agbonlahor, m'lud.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #253 on: November 23, 2020, 04:53:03 PM »
What a strange write up that is, portraying March as though he had made a measured thoughout great tackle and won Brighton the game. Were the reality is March was absolutely shitting it as soon as he made the tackle because he knew that he had fouled him.
I was absolutely fuming when the pen was disallowed and convinced the ref had cocked up.  But the reality is he got a big touch on the ball.  Are people saying any contact after / during a tackle should be a foul?  If so, that's the end of any tough tackles and sliding challenges etc that fans enjoy so much.  I'm not saying Ben Mee type assualts should be allowed, but do we really want to take all contcact out of tackling?
For me, the acid test is whether that foul would have been given if outside the box: if you review all the fouls awarded during the game you'll find several similar to the March 'tackle'.

For me the acid test is whether the player tackled plays for Villa. If he does, it's a foul. If not, it isn't.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Brighton post-match thread
« Reply #254 on: November 23, 2020, 05:02:45 PM »
Dermot Gallagher on SKY agreeing that Villa shouldn't have had a penalty at the death. To be fair he also talked a load of bollox about two other Premier League penalty debates at the weekend. Even the SKY guy interviewing him was shaking his head in disbelief at the garbled and contradicting explanations Gallagher was coming out with.

 


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