You could see that Luiz had the talent to be a success in his position, he was just inconsistent and playing with Nakamba which didn't help him at all. I don't mind admitting that I just don't get it with Wesley. He's not very quick and not very good in the air. I hope I'm wrong and probably will be, but I don't really see what he offers. Everything you get with Ollie; in pace, ability to run the wings, being good in the box and strength in the air, you just don't get with Wesley. Like Joelinton at Newcastle, I just don't think he looks suited to the Premier League.
Quote from: Risso on December 22, 2020, 02:55:47 PMYou could see that Luiz had the talent to be a success in his position, he was just inconsistent and playing with Nakamba which didn't help him at all. I don't mind admitting that I just don't get it with Wesley. He's not very quick and not very good in the air. I hope I'm wrong and probably will be, but I don't really see what he offers. Everything you get with Ollie; in pace, ability to run the wings, being good in the box and strength in the air, you just don't get with Wesley. Like Joelinton at Newcastle, I just don't think he looks suited to the Premier League.This is it for me, too. My issue with Wesley is that his hold-up play and ability to win balls in the air was borderline abysmal. Never mind their proficiency in front of goal, the difference in Watkins’ and Wesley’s respective ability to control the ball is significant.
If Wesley is able to play again from January onwards & it’s a big if, then he’s likely to only be an option off the bench. It’s going to take him months to get up to speed.Games like Burnley & Brighton we had next to no attacking options on the bench. We don’t have the luxury to be able to rest players like Watkins & Grealish. If money is to be spent it needs to be on a forward, letting Davies go out on loan.Only if Taylor, Elmo, Guilbert or Hourihane leave do we need to buy replacements & 3 of them are out of contact in June.
Quote from: pelty on December 22, 2020, 07:27:16 PMQuote from: Risso on December 22, 2020, 02:55:47 PMYou could see that Luiz had the talent to be a success in his position, he was just inconsistent and playing with Nakamba which didn't help him at all. I don't mind admitting that I just don't get it with Wesley. He's not very quick and not very good in the air. I hope I'm wrong and probably will be, but I don't really see what he offers. Everything you get with Ollie; in pace, ability to run the wings, being good in the box and strength in the air, you just don't get with Wesley. Like Joelinton at Newcastle, I just don't think he looks suited to the Premier League.This is it for me, too. My issue with Wesley is that his hold-up play and ability to win balls in the air was borderline abysmal. Never mind their proficiency in front of goal, the difference in Watkins’ and Wesley’s respective ability to control the ball is significant.It is....and I think Watkins first touch isn't up to scratch either....Wesley was genuinely awful for the majority of the games he played for us. That injury is unlikely to have improved him. It was a terrible tackle on him. Trez was awful for a lot of last season too but has improved a lot. He has an uncanny ability to get into great positions though that I'm not sure Wesley has.Luiz always had the talent but his attitude and application were badly lacking. Maybe seeing the likes of Drinky starting ahead of him were the kick up the arse he needed. I'm surprised with Konsa's progression this season I must say. He had a horrible ball watching habit that he seems to have eradicated.
Quote from: john e on December 21, 2020, 06:38:00 PMQuote from: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 06:15:18 PMQuote from: john e on December 21, 2020, 06:04:53 PMQuote from: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 01:12:58 PMThe only major target I'd like to see in this window is a unit in the centre of midfield to bring in when we need to outmuscle teams, to help us win ugly in the games like Burnley where we dominate but are struggling to get over the line, I'm thinking more vieira big and quality though, top 6 standard enforcers rather than the Lerma and Billing style shithouses that some people have mentioned in the last few windows. Other than that quality younger players who are available cheaper than expected and maybe a short term cover option up front would be my aim.mmm....good luck finding a Viera type midfield enforcer of top 6 standard I’m sure there’s someone lurking in the European leagues as Viera himself was but it would be a punt as it is with most players that aren’t tried and tested in the prem league I’m pretty happy with Luiz and McGinn in those rolls to be honest I think the big enforcer type who will be hard but fair imposing but can play a bit is a mythical creature nowadays I didn't say it was an easy player to find but it is the 1 obvious gap in the squad.I’m not sure they even exist anymoreActually they so do exist Wilfred Ndidi plays at Leicester is the best defensive midfielder in the league. And he's the type who is an all round holding midfielder is highly effective and important to Leicester he helped them beat Spurs the other day and has better qualities than most in that roleSo of that ilk yes.
Quote from: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 06:15:18 PMQuote from: john e on December 21, 2020, 06:04:53 PMQuote from: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 01:12:58 PMThe only major target I'd like to see in this window is a unit in the centre of midfield to bring in when we need to outmuscle teams, to help us win ugly in the games like Burnley where we dominate but are struggling to get over the line, I'm thinking more vieira big and quality though, top 6 standard enforcers rather than the Lerma and Billing style shithouses that some people have mentioned in the last few windows. Other than that quality younger players who are available cheaper than expected and maybe a short term cover option up front would be my aim.mmm....good luck finding a Viera type midfield enforcer of top 6 standard I’m sure there’s someone lurking in the European leagues as Viera himself was but it would be a punt as it is with most players that aren’t tried and tested in the prem league I’m pretty happy with Luiz and McGinn in those rolls to be honest I think the big enforcer type who will be hard but fair imposing but can play a bit is a mythical creature nowadays I didn't say it was an easy player to find but it is the 1 obvious gap in the squad.I’m not sure they even exist anymore
Quote from: john e on December 21, 2020, 06:04:53 PMQuote from: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 01:12:58 PMThe only major target I'd like to see in this window is a unit in the centre of midfield to bring in when we need to outmuscle teams, to help us win ugly in the games like Burnley where we dominate but are struggling to get over the line, I'm thinking more vieira big and quality though, top 6 standard enforcers rather than the Lerma and Billing style shithouses that some people have mentioned in the last few windows. Other than that quality younger players who are available cheaper than expected and maybe a short term cover option up front would be my aim.mmm....good luck finding a Viera type midfield enforcer of top 6 standard I’m sure there’s someone lurking in the European leagues as Viera himself was but it would be a punt as it is with most players that aren’t tried and tested in the prem league I’m pretty happy with Luiz and McGinn in those rolls to be honest I think the big enforcer type who will be hard but fair imposing but can play a bit is a mythical creature nowadays I didn't say it was an easy player to find but it is the 1 obvious gap in the squad.
Quote from: paul_e on December 21, 2020, 01:12:58 PMThe only major target I'd like to see in this window is a unit in the centre of midfield to bring in when we need to outmuscle teams, to help us win ugly in the games like Burnley where we dominate but are struggling to get over the line, I'm thinking more vieira big and quality though, top 6 standard enforcers rather than the Lerma and Billing style shithouses that some people have mentioned in the last few windows. Other than that quality younger players who are available cheaper than expected and maybe a short term cover option up front would be my aim.mmm....good luck finding a Viera type midfield enforcer of top 6 standard I’m sure there’s someone lurking in the European leagues as Viera himself was but it would be a punt as it is with most players that aren’t tried and tested in the prem league I’m pretty happy with Luiz and McGinn in those rolls to be honest I think the big enforcer type who will be hard but fair imposing but can play a bit is a mythical creature nowadays
The only major target I'd like to see in this window is a unit in the centre of midfield to bring in when we need to outmuscle teams, to help us win ugly in the games like Burnley where we dominate but are struggling to get over the line, I'm thinking more vieira big and quality though, top 6 standard enforcers rather than the Lerma and Billing style shithouses that some people have mentioned in the last few windows. Other than that quality younger players who are available cheaper than expected and maybe a short term cover option up front would be my aim.
Think Wes is expected back around March. We'll have another 15 or so games before then.It's a really bad injury he had. Similar to Kodj who was never the same again and Kozak was completely done after his bad leg break. His scoring record in prem was actually better than Wes.This season it's all about giving him sub minutes but wouldn't surprise me if we loaned him out next season to get his confidence/valuation back up again.Maxi Gomez is a great shout, we were sort of linked with him the summer we went up.
Quote from: SoccerHQ on December 22, 2020, 11:08:50 PMThink Wes is expected back around March. We'll have another 15 or so games before then.It's a really bad injury he had. Similar to Kodj who was never the same again and Kozak was completely done after his bad leg break. His scoring record in prem was actually better than Wes.This season it's all about giving him sub minutes but wouldn't surprise me if we loaned him out next season to get his confidence/valuation back up again.Maxi Gomez is a great shout, we were sort of linked with him the summer we went up.Bold bit is wrong. Kozak got 4 in 18 (which is 1 in 4.5) where as Wesley got 5 in 21 which is 1 in 4.25.Aside from that I think he'll be around the squad sooner than March but that it'll be a slow reintroduction. Even if he does miss another 14-15 games he'll still be back with a third of the season to play and with so many games to fit in I think he'll get plenty of game time. After that I don't think anyone will be considering loaning him out right now, that would only happen if his comeback is badly unsuccessful.On his performances I've said many times that the biggest problem he had was how isolated he was. He was being asked to hold the ball up with 2-3 defenders against him whilst players closed a 30-40 yard gap and that's a hard job for an experienced striker who's well established in the team and league. For a young player trying to learn on the job it was too much to ask. Kodjia and Samatta faired no better than him pre-lockdown and after the restart we were playing a different way.This season we've given Watkins much more support and I think Wesley would look a much better player in this team and I hope he'll show as much in the next 6 months.