Ross Barkley

[Bobby Boy]

Wouldn't play him at Arsenal. They are not great by any means but we need to compete in midfield there for sure. Cannot afford any passengers and he's been a luxury for the last 2 games.

[PaulWinch again]

It depends on McGinn - if he stops bothering to do his defensive work then Barkley isn’t going to work.

[SoccerHQ]

Wouldn't play him at Arsenal. They are not great by any means but we need to compete in midfield there for sure. Cannot afford any passengers and he's been a luxury for the last 2 games.

I'd actually keep him in v Arsenal. They'll push forward and leave gaps between midfield and defence so think he can exploit that space if we pass the bal quickly enough.

Would seriously think about putting Nakamba in for McGinn though. AEM for Cash is another change I expect.

[TonyD]

I agree Elmo offer more than Cash. 

[brontebilly]

I don’t think he looks well.

Needs to tone down the spray tan.

You know he's mixed race, yeah?

Cheers !

[Three Spires Villa]

Wouldn't play him at Arsenal. They are not great by any means but we need to compete in midfield there for sure. Cannot afford any passengers and he's been a luxury for the last 2 games.

I'd actually keep him in v Arsenal. They'll push forward and leave gaps between midfield and defence so think he can exploit that space if we pass the bal quickly enough.

Would seriously think about putting Nakamba in for McGinn though. AEM for Cash is another change I expect.

I agree

[eamonn]

Can clubs be penalised by the parent club if their loanee doesn't play ? Seems a shitty thing to write into a contract - if we're already taking on his wages and a loan fee (did someone on here say it was £7m?), surely we can do with him what we want. Including dropping/hooking him if he isn't at the races.

[SoccerHQ]

Can clubs be penalised by the parent club if their loanee doesn't play ? Seems a shitty thing to write into a contract - if we're already taking on his wages and a loan fee (did someone on here say it was £7m?), surely we can do with him what we want. Including dropping/hooking him if he isn't at the races.

It's a regular thing with young players. Think Chelsea do it with their youngsters, club that takes them on gets fined if the player dosen't start. Liverpool also apparently did it when Brewster went to Swansea.

As you say given the big loan fee and wages we've taken on for the season you'd like to think we've avoided all of that nonsense.

I don't really get why he's unsubable so far. Spurs took off Son tonight with 10 minutes left on a tight game they were winning so I dunno just keeping the regular 11 on the pitch at all costs just feels to me like we're really going to hit the wall come February or March as in the MON seasons.

Hopefully we've got enough points in the bank by then for any poor run not to hurt too much.

[Lastfootstamper]

Can clubs be penalised by the parent club if their loanee doesn't play ? Seems a shitty thing to write into a contract - if we're already taking on his wages and a loan fee (did someone on here say it was £7m?), surely we can do with him what we want. Including dropping/hooking him if he isn't at the races.

It's a regular thing with young players. Think Chelsea do it with their youngsters, club that takes them on gets fined if the player dosen't start. Liverpool also apparently did it when Brewster went to Swansea.

As you say given the big loan fee and wages we've taken on for the season you'd like to think we've avoided all of that nonsense.

I don't really get why he's unsubable so far. Spurs took off Son tonight with 10 minutes left on a tight game they were winning so I dunno just keeping the regular 11 on the pitch at all costs just feels to me like we're really going to hit the wall come February or March as in the MON seasons.

Hopefully we've got enough points in the bank by then for any poor run not to hurt too much.

Regarding the fines thing, I can't believe it'd be a blanket policy wherein they have to play every minute of every game. I don't think it was Brewster that was an issue, he started 19 games for Swansea in half a season. Unlike Kent who went to Bristol City, he only ended up starting half a dozen games for them.

I'd imagine there'll be clauses included that involve percentages of games, but I'd be surprised if those didn't in some way correlate to how much of the wage the parent club still stump up for.

[SoccerHQ]

All seems a bit cloak and dagger with what I can find online but from unlikely source of a Millwall website this is what Neil Harris said when he was their manager:

https://www.newsatden.co.uk/71986-millwall-boss-on-difficulty-of-premier-league-loans-but-why-he-doesnt-rule-it-out/

[kippaxvilla2]

McGinn was more at fault than Barkley yesterday.  Like someone said the freedom for Barkley to go up front is heavily dependent on McGinn doing his defensive job.  Thought he was crap today.  On Barkley though didn’t Everton fans say he was a one in five performer when we signed him?

[Drummond]

Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

[Risso]

Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

People can discuss the fact that he hasn't played at all well in the last two games without "giving up" on him, surely?

[Drummond]

Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

People can discuss the fact that he hasn't played at all well in the last two games without "giving up" on him, surely?

Yes but there are calls for him to be dropped. He's been a big part of the good start to the season, and yet people want him out of the team after a couple of bad results. See also Cash, Mings, McGinn and people are suggesting Watkins is anonymous too.

[brontebilly]

Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

People can discuss the fact that he hasn't played at all well in the last two games without "giving up" on him, surely?

Yes but there are calls for him to be dropped. He's been a big part of the good start to the season, and yet people want him out of the team after a couple of bad results. See also Cash, Mings, McGinn and people are suggesting Watkins is anonymous too.

Getting dropped and giving up on a player are two different things entirely. The only player on our books that the forum (and also the club) has given up on is Lansbury.  Getting dropped is no harm, it happens most players at some stage for various reasons unless MON is the manager.