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Title: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eric woolban woolban on September 30, 2020, 10:30:18 AM
just flashed up on Facebook stretching the shirt.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aev on September 30, 2020, 10:33:28 AM
wow
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on September 30, 2020, 10:33:50 AM
Official announcement (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/Villa-announce-Barkley-loan-signing/). Season long loan, no word on any option to buy. It's another body, not totally convinced but let's see how he performs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on September 30, 2020, 10:35:07 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: frank black on September 30, 2020, 10:35:21 AM
Due to his age, Iíd expect an option to buy on this deal. Rather than a straight loan...Be nice if we can keep him if successful or send home if not.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Chap on September 30, 2020, 10:38:17 AM
Not made BBC Sports pages yet, no surprise there. Tottenham love-in day!!🙁
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 30, 2020, 10:38:38 AM
Good signing for the season. I'm actually surprised this one happened.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 30, 2020, 10:39:36 AM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial




Welcome Ross , now take the make up off ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Keeno on September 30, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
Brilliant signing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ROBBO on September 30, 2020, 10:40:16 AM
If this is the new Villa management in action i'm impressed, not so much for the signing but the way they have gone about it. I was reading the press reports saying that He wanted to stay at Chelsea and fight for his spot then without warning up he pops. Is he the big signing people have been talking about or is there more to come?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 30, 2020, 10:40:49 AM
Well I know not everybody thinks this is a good move, but I think he adds real quality to the squad and I'm delighted.  We may still be a bit light defensively but this gives us real depth.

Welcome Ross and please be brilliant.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on September 30, 2020, 10:40:58 AM
He was on the bench for Chelski last night, but didn't get on. Does anyone know if that means he can play for us in the League Cup, even in time for tomorrow night? (old school name).

Welcome Ross - it's a big season for him to prove that he can deliver what he is capable of - most immediately to earn a place in the England squad for the Euros.

I hope he can a bit more than I expect he will and I will be delighted to be proved wrong.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: john e on September 30, 2020, 10:41:06 AM
Iím happy with that one
I know others have some concerns which is fair enough but I think he will improve us and add a bit more physically to the team
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 30, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
I'll be honest, I've never been a massive fan and I've never understood why he's rated so highly. It'll be interesting to see how he fits in though, it's an intriguing one. Hope he has a belter of a season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 30, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
He was on the bench for Chelski last night, but didn't get on. Does anyone know if that means he can play for us in the League Cup, even in time for tomorrow night? (old school name).

Welcome Ross - it's a big season for him to prove that he can deliver what he is capable of - most immediately to earn a place in the England squad for the Euros.

I hope he can a bit more than I expect he will and I will be delighted to be proved wrong.
I think he played in the last round so pretty sure he's cup tied.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good. They also think that this means they'll be getting Declan Rice, which is weird because they don't play in the same position (and in my opinion Rice is barely better than Ashley Westwood - but I was one of the few who rated him while he was at Villa).

In conclusion, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ad@m on September 30, 2020, 10:45:49 AM
I don't get the Declan Rice love in either.

Barkley - not sure. He seems to have lost his way in recent years. But on his day he's a player who can create something out of nothing and we've only currently got Jack in the squad who can do that so at absolute worst he's cover in case Jack gets injured.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 30, 2020, 10:48:31 AM
in terms of where we are at he is perfect for us!  Him, McGinn, Grealish with Dougie just behind sounds like a pretty good combination to me!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 30, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
Wasn't sure about this but it is only a loan. Getting a current England midfielder in isn't to be sniffed at, so good luck to him. Hopefully we will all be desperate for him to stay by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 30, 2020, 10:50:14 AM
I think we may find that if he's given a run in the side he will gel well with Grealish and McGinn; similar players in that they can both attend and defend. I'm not a big fan of his but - heyho - he's with us and it gives southgate another reason to watch us. Who knows? - maybe, we'll see him pick 3 or four Villa players: Watkins and Cash are not far off being full international candidates.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good. They also think that this means they'll be getting Declan Rice, which is weird because they don't play in the same position (and in my opinion Rice is barely better than Ashley Westwood - but I was one of the few who rated him while he was at Villa).

In conclusion, I have no idea.

Reading the Everton forums he clearly left under a cloud and they seem to think there is not much between his ears, with comments like Ďcotton wool brainsí and Ďcrayon eaterí. Just hope he understands Deano!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on September 30, 2020, 10:51:25 AM
He was on the bench for Chelski last night, but didn't get on. Does anyone know if that means he can play for us in the League Cup, even in time for tomorrow night? (old school name).

Welcome Ross - it's a big season for him to prove that he can deliver what he is capable of - most immediately to earn a place in the England squad for the Euros.

I hope he can a bit more than I expect he will and I will be delighted to be proved wrong.
I think he played in the last round so pretty sure he's cup tied.

He started for Chelsea in their 6-0 win against Barnsley and also scored.

Definitely cup tied.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 30, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
How many of our existing midfielders would get a starting spot in that Chelsea squad? Good player that can't get regular football in a squad full of extremely good players.

We now have proper competition for the tree midfield places, which can only improve us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 30, 2020, 10:51:45 AM
I think it possibly pushes the likes of Lansbury towards the exit door and possibly Ramsey out on loan but I hope not in Ramsey's case although it would be understandable.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 30, 2020, 10:52:35 AM
I'm going to stay firmly on the fence for this one and hope that I get pushed over to the "he's done well and I should have had more faith" side!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dick Edwards on September 30, 2020, 10:54:52 AM
He's a talented, creative player for sure but I'd still like to have seen a defensive midfielder coming in.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 30, 2020, 10:55:34 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.

They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 30, 2020, 10:55:54 AM
He's a good player, an England international when fit and playing regularly - he's also capable of being brilliant.

He improves our squad without question, and almost certainly improves our first 11 when he plays ahead of Hourihane.

He'll be motivated, with the Euros at the end of the season, so I see nothing but positives.  It's a shame there's no mention of an option to buy, but let's hope that becomes a problem at the end of the season and we're desperate to keep him - even if it means we have to throw money at the issue next summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rigadon on September 30, 2020, 10:55:57 AM
Good solid signing on paper.  Haven't seen him play lately so let's hope he performs to his reputational standard.  Better than getting a Drunkwater-type signing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 30, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 30, 2020, 10:57:48 AM
Fuck!

Welcome and please ram my words down my throat.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 30, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
I think it possibly pushes the likes of Lansbury towards the exit door and possibly Ramsey out on loan but I hope not in Ramsey's case although it would be understandable.

Ramsey will be a League Cup starter and in the squad.  Marvelous is surplus now.  Lansbury is a wart that just won't go away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: DB on September 30, 2020, 10:58:13 AM
Just spoke to a Everton ST holder at work. He says good ball carrier, will create but also will make a few mistakes and has not improved in 5 years after a lot of early promise. Let's see...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Keeno on September 30, 2020, 11:00:24 AM
Hourihane has been a great servant, but if you don't think Barkley massively upgrades the quality of our midfield, you're crazy.

The front six of Luiz-McGinn-Barkley; Grealish-Watkins-Traore is an order of magnitude better than what we entered last season with.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on September 30, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
Shit my boots that was fast. Excited about this.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Towser on September 30, 2020, 11:02:39 AM
Just spoke to a Everton ST holder at work. He says good ball carrier, will create but also will make a few mistakes and has not improved in 5 years after a lot of early promise. Let's see...
Chelsea fan at work just said exactly the same to me, he also said he was convinced Ross was staying and Loftus-Cheek would be the one coming to us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: WilliamStanding on September 30, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
Another giggle from our mates on SHA, they are imploding again, more references to the ghost goal and we shouldnít even be in this position to sigh such players.

Love it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on September 30, 2020, 11:03:47 AM
I've always thought he's elegant but ineffectual.  But clean slate and all that.  I hope he really knuckles down while he's here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 30, 2020, 11:03:59 AM
I was just about to post that!

 Worcester Blue
10:56, Wed 30 Sep
 Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
With Barkley now coming in, I just can't see them being in relegation trouble this season. Their recruitment has been decent compared to their previous forays

None of this would be happening if it wasn't for their spawny goal-line technology malfunction, the lucky bar stewards
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 11:05:25 AM
Well Jackís happy judging by his tweet.  Maybe this is what he was told was coming?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: lovejoy on September 30, 2020, 11:06:00 AM
Non-plussed, is midfield really where we need to strengthen?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: manic-road on September 30, 2020, 11:06:08 AM
Happy with the signing, a quality midielder added to the squad. With games coming thick and fast or a player getting a long term injury we needed quality players adding to the squad, now Ross don't do a Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Hairbandinho on September 30, 2020, 11:08:29 AM
If there is an option to buy this is good....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2020, 11:09:09 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.

They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments

That's reassuring to read. As much as they're a club for wankers, racists and people with pony tails, Chelsea currently operate at a much higher level than we do. If he's good enough for them, he'll do a job for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on September 30, 2020, 11:11:13 AM
Non-plussed, is midfield really where we need to strengthen?

Yes, we keep on getting overrun at times.  Also, we struggle to get central midfield players up quickly to support our central striker.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 30, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
Feels like bit of a statement signing to be honest, even it is only on loan.  Hope he arrives fit, firing and ready to prove a point, and he's not already too far down the path of deterioration that a lot of English players who signed for Chelsea seem to have followed. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 30, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
Better than our last Ross surely? An upgrade on Hot Lips.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on September 30, 2020, 11:11:58 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.

They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments

Very encouraging.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on September 30, 2020, 11:13:12 AM
From that view, I'm glad it is Barkley and not RLC as none seem to rate the latter highly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 30, 2020, 11:13:20 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.

They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments

That's reassuring to read. As much as they're a club for wankers, racists and people with pony tails, Chelsea currently operate at a much higher level than we do. If he's good enough for them, he'll do a job for us.


Definitely give us some physical presence in there
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 30, 2020, 11:14:05 AM
Welcome Ross. Have a blinder please.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: sid1964 on September 30, 2020, 11:14:18 AM
I will reserve judgement hope that we are not loaning a player who sees us as a step down from Chelsea.

Hope we have not just borrowed another Stephen Ireland!!!

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2020, 11:19:50 AM
I'm very pleased with this.  Gives us options throughout the midfield.  Welcome Boss Rarkley!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on September 30, 2020, 11:19:55 AM
Cool. Not that sure he is who I'd have picked, but the squad is unquestionably stronger with him than without him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2020, 11:23:27 AM
Cool. Not that sure he is who I'd have picked, but the squad is unquestionably stronger with him than without him.

I'd guess the thinking is he can play anywhere in the midfield, or in Jack's spot if needed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 30, 2020, 11:23:30 AM
It's a positive reflection on where we are currently that so many of us are slightly underwhelmed by signing an England regular from a top six club.

Good player, though, no question. I'm sure he'll do well for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on September 30, 2020, 11:24:21 AM
Just spoke to a Everton ST holder at work. He says good ball carrier, will create but also will make a few mistakes and has not improved in 5 years after a lot of early promise. Let's see...
Chelsea fan at work just said exactly the same to me, he also said he was convinced Ross was staying and Loftus-Cheek would be the one coming to us.

Maybe we'll buy RLC.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 11:24:53 AM
Comment from an Everton supporter.

""On his day"...yes, correct. However, having watched him for years at Everton...his day is the 29th February..."
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2020, 11:24:57 AM
WhoScored.com
@WhoScored
Ross Barkley is one of only 12 players to have started 20+ Premier League games since 18/19 to boast a pass accuracy in excess of 90% (90.2%)

Not bad for an attacking midfielder.
@AVFCOfficial's new signing
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2020, 11:25:30 AM
The Chelsea fans all seem to be saying he's improved, which absolutely nobody said about Drinkwater, seeing as the lazy fat c*** hadn't played in two years.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ROBBO on September 30, 2020, 11:28:51 AM
Would still love Rashica.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 11:31:24 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.

They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments

Interesting. Some pretty disparaging comments about Loftus-Cheek as well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: darren woolley on September 30, 2020, 11:32:46 AM
It's a great signing for us top player plenty of PL experience and a England international welcome to Aston Villa Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 30, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
He makes us stronger, gives us much needed experience and his record show he can play a lot of games a season without breaking down (RLC). The only downside is if its just a loan we could be selling Chelsea's players for them. Not ideal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on September 30, 2020, 11:35:52 AM
Maybe using him as a stepping stone, avoiding ffp restrictions and saving balance of our cash for another forward!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on September 30, 2020, 11:36:25 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.

They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments

Interesting. Some pretty disparaging comments about Loftus-Cheek as well.

Yup, that all reads very well - pretty much universal that they'd rather he stayed and got minutes for them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 30, 2020, 11:40:50 AM
He makes us stronger, gives us much needed experience and his record show he can play a lot of games a season without breaking down (RLC). The only downside is if its just a loan we could be selling Chelsea's players for them. Not ideal.

Such a contrast to the Drinkwater  loan though eh buddy?
We can enjoy this one with his proven talent.

yeah the two players are not comparable really. Also shows he's not prepared to just sit on his fat contract and wants to play. If him and jack gel he could be back in the England team which is probably in his thinking.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 30, 2020, 11:41:22 AM
Asked an Everton supporting mate, who reckoned not good enough for Chelsea but was too good for Everton when he left. Reckons he has a lot of skill, runs with the ball well but questionable end product and decision making.

Hoping we have a pre agreed fee to buy. Lets hope he does as well for us as Andy Townsend did back in the day.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 30, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.

They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:

https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments

Interesting read that, Goldie. Seems to be highly rated but ideal to play 60 minutes rather than 90. Also the comments on LC make me happy we chose Barkley ahead of him.

Welcome, Ross. Do us proud.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Big Ming on September 30, 2020, 11:47:29 AM
Another giggle from our mates on SHA, they are imploding again, more references to the ghost goal and we shouldnít even be in this position to sigh such players.

Love it

Surprised the sty-dwellers can even log onto the internet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 30, 2020, 11:51:31 AM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good.
They aren't thrilled he's gone here either:
https://www.theshedend.com/topic/31484-welcome-ross-barkley/page/47/#comments
Here's the only disparaging remark about us from theshedend:
Quote
That's an odd decision to say the least, and to Villa? That's a team battling relegation, how's that going to help him be a starter at Chelsea in 12 months time
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on September 30, 2020, 11:52:47 AM
Looking at the Chelsea fans forum everyone seems very unhappy with the deal, which says it all, as loan signings go couldn't get much better, still in his prime at 26 and an experienced Premier League player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Big Ming on September 30, 2020, 11:53:40 AM
Our chances of getting something on Sunday just improved.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 30, 2020, 11:54:19 AM
I think it possibly pushes the likes of Lansbury towards the exit door and possibly Ramsey out on loan but I hope not in Ramsey's case although it would be understandable.

Ramsey will be a League Cup starter and in the squad.  Marvelous is surplus now.  Lansbury is a wart that just won't go away.
Marvelous isn't surplus.  Who plays DM when Luiz gets injured or needs a rest?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2020, 11:54:34 AM
I'm going to stay firmly on the fence for this one and hope that I get pushed over to the "he's done well and I should have had more faith" side!

This for me but prefer to have Ross than RLC. The truth is nobody knows e.g. half the comments on the Man U forum think he's rubbish and the other half think it's a great signing and that we're building a decent team. Only one way to find out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 30, 2020, 11:54:49 AM
An England international midfielder who should be in his prime, and will be playing for his place at the European Championships next summer - yes please.

Also, unlike when we signed the likes of Ireland and Drinkwater, we have a strong enough squad that he is going to have to work hard to justify a starting place in the team.  Say what you like about a player like Hourihane (who I actually rate very highly for what he brings to the team), but there is no way he will stand idly by if someone is getting in ahead of him and not performing.  I think we have sot some exciting times ahead.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: lovejoy on September 30, 2020, 11:55:08 AM
Non-plussed, is midfield really where we need to strengthen?

Yes, we keep on getting overrun at times.  Also, we struggle to get central midfield players up quickly to support our central striker.

Ahead of a left back and centre forward? Really?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LukeJames on September 30, 2020, 11:58:40 AM
Im a fan of Barkleys ability but going from his boyhood club to a 'top 4' club and then to us, I just hope hes got the hunger too match his ability.

Kind of like if Jack had gone to Man Utd and then joined Newcastle a couple of years later.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on September 30, 2020, 12:00:17 PM
Im a fan of Barkleys ability but going from his boyhood club to a 'top 4' club and then to us, I just hope hes got the hunger too match his ability.

Kind of like if Jack had gone to Man Utd and then joined Newcastle a couple of years later.





Iíd look at it as Everton - made his name, Chelsea - made his money, Villa - winning stuff.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2020, 12:00:52 PM
I think it possibly pushes the likes of Lansbury towards the exit door and possibly Ramsey out on loan but I hope not in Ramsey's case although it would be understandable.

Ramsey will be a League Cup starter and in the squad.  Marvelous is surplus now.  Lansbury is a wart that just won't go away.
Marvelous isn't surplus.  Who plays DM when Luiz gets injured or needs a rest?

Anybody except Marvelous hopefully.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 30, 2020, 12:05:31 PM
End of the day he's not a bit part player at Chelsea. He played an average of something like 37 games in each of his two seasons so he must be doing something right. It's not like we've loaned Chelsea's Lansbury. That was last season....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 30, 2020, 12:06:19 PM
I think it possibly pushes the likes of Lansbury towards the exit door and possibly Ramsey out on loan but I hope not in Ramsey's case although it would be understandable.

Ramsey will be a League Cup starter and in the squad.  Marvelous is surplus now.  Lansbury is a wart that just won't go away.
Marvelous isn't surplus.  Who plays DM when Luiz gets injured or needs a rest?

Anybody except Marvelous hopefully.
Go on then?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 30, 2020, 12:08:11 PM
I was wondering if Barkley replacing Hourihane in the starting 11 would make us a better side overrall, but at the expense of potentially losing a little threat from set-pieces.

Then I saw this: https://twitter.com/ChelseaFC/status/1155727404566032389

:-)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2020, 12:09:24 PM
The more I think of it, the more I think that this is big signing. One that'll send a message to players that we mean business, particularly in an environment where the likes of Spurs and Arsenal can't spend money, so they need to get on board.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 30, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
Terrific signing, very happy with this loan. International (who will want to play in the Euros next season)  with plenty of premiership experience. Will add much needed bite and strength to the midfield. What a fantastic window this has been.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 30, 2020, 12:16:12 PM
Not very happy with this, but good luck Ross. Hope you prove me wrong and go on to be amazing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: fbriai on September 30, 2020, 12:18:33 PM
Another good signing. You'd have thought he'd go in ahead of Hourihane, meaning we've improved the first-team again. Of the players we've brought in over the summer, they are all, except for Traorť at the moment, starting ahead of players we already had.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 30, 2020, 12:20:52 PM
Comfortable in a 3 man midfield.  Box to box player.
But also can at inside forward as one of 2 behind a striker.

His flexibility in midfield  both as attacker and box to box provides Smith with so much variety in the tactical  formation  in-game during the match.

Ross  class qualities will further enhance the team and how we play.  Fantastic as long as he keeps limted off field distraction and focus on football. Though covid  and curfews can help that.

Supremely looking forward to the link up with Grealish,  Traore,  Watkins and McGinn
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 12:26:01 PM
I know we are all thinking heís competition for Conor but I suspect he will also allow McGuinn a rest too, which he sometimes needs, or even Jack come to think of it
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: john e on September 30, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
How many of our existing midfielders would get a starting spot in that Chelsea squad? Good player that can't get regular football in a squad full of extremely good players.

We now have proper competition for the tree midfield places, which can only improve us.

Doug McGinn & Grealish
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2020, 12:27:44 PM
I'm not a fan but now he's here lets see if he can have more of an impact on games that he did at Chelsea and maybe hit the target a bit more often when he tries it on from 25yards.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dicedlam on September 30, 2020, 12:28:44 PM
Whatever the views on Ross Barkley, we are definitely stronger with him than without him.

Welcome Ross. Have a belter of a season, lad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Shrek on September 30, 2020, 12:30:21 PM
A huge upgrade on Conor imo

Played 31 and 48 games last two seasons too
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Shrek on September 30, 2020, 12:32:06 PM
How many of our existing midfielders would get a starting spot in that Chelsea squad? Good player that can't get regular football in a squad full of extremely good players.

We now have proper competition for the tree midfield places, which can only improve us.

Doug McGinn & Grealish

Only Grealish imo. Kante is better than Luiz and they have a number of players better than Mcginn.

Iím really excited by Barkley signing
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 30, 2020, 12:36:09 PM
Big difference from making a massive impact playing in a team that's finished 3rd and 4th and won the Europa Cup to us. I'd be happy with that sort of impact to be honest.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bad English on September 30, 2020, 12:37:17 PM
Did his mom cut his hair with a bowl?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 30, 2020, 01:00:01 PM
I was a bit non plussed about signing Barclay tbh and initially would of preferred loftus cheek, without admittedly having seen him play too much, just liked  the idea of that up and down defensive minded midfielder.
However, my older brother is in his early 60s and for some reason only know to himself is a life long chelsea fan, a proper supporter as well, home away for decades even when they were shit throughout the 80s and early 90s.
Anyway asked his opinion and he basically said, chelsea never played him in the right way as a forward, driving, goal scoring midfielder and if we play him in that way, we have a very good player. He, like a lot of chelsea fans it seems are disappointed heís gone and my bro actually said heíd rather loftus-cheek had gone, who he labelled Ďuselessí. This seems a pretty consistent view across a lot of chelsea supporters, which hopefully bodes well.

And As an Evertonian, heíll be dying to score against Liverpool on Sunday!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 30, 2020, 01:01:08 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

Thatís whatís important. Itís where we are now. A side that just stayed up, not in Europe, Barkley has left his club who will play in the CL, and with the exception of the LC, will challenge for titles. We now have three current England internationals in the side. Takes some stress off the current players in those central positions. One injury like we saw a With SJM last year and you saw just how thin we were. This is a very solid addition.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: in exile on September 30, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
Welcome Ross.
Please be better than the last Ross we signed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 30, 2020, 01:07:53 PM
Welcome mate, you left a good club to join Chelski and arrived at the best club in the world albeit by a circuitous route.  Please don't let this opportunity pass you by.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on September 30, 2020, 01:09:42 PM
Well I've had a couple of people who support other teams messaging me about the signing. That's got to be a good sign.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 30, 2020, 01:12:01 PM
Itís not the be all, end all, but the views of most other fans is that this is a very good signing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 30, 2020, 01:13:16 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

Thatís whatís important. Itís where we are now. A side that just stayed up, not in Europe, Barkley has left his club who will play in the CL, and with the exception of the LC, will challenge for titles. We now have three current England internationals in the side. Takes some stress off the current players in those central positions. One injury like we saw a With SJM last year and you saw just how thin we were. This is a very solid addition.
Exactly.  We were very light in midfield and we now have McGinn, Hourihane and Barkley (and Ramsey) to compete for 2 places the way we currently set up.  We're still a bit light at DM and have to hope Luiz can stay fit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 01:18:03 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 30, 2020, 01:21:56 PM
Non-plussed, is midfield really where we need to strengthen?

Yes, we keep on getting overrun at times.  Also, we struggle to get central midfield players up quickly to support our central striker.

Ahead of a left back and centre forward? Really?

How is getting Barkley in on loan stopping us still strengthening elsewhere?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 01:26:04 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 30, 2020, 01:29:31 PM
Never been that over impressed with what ive seen before but to be fair it has only been via TV as i dont pay much attention to any other teams players but our own.

But

Much capped England international, comes here from a challenging on all fronts team, a team in CL and a player that most Cheski fans are not too happy has left - all bodes well

Martinez
Cash
Traore
Watkins
 and now Barkley

Better quality in all areas than we had previously

What a fantastic window.

I wonder if Nas was at Fulham to seal the deal? I also would be amazed if we had not agreed a deal to buy if it works out - we are so more professional nowadays

Was this the name linked with Jack when the club stated their ambition?
Do we think that is it for the window?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on September 30, 2020, 01:30:27 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Surely we would have had at least three in the Barry / Milner / Young / Gabby / Downing / Heskey era?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 30, 2020, 01:37:00 PM
Hookey I can still see us getting a forward in and a winger. I would like to see a LB. I think the international window closes next week so if Rashica is to happen it will by then. After that it will be the domestic market until the 16th I think where I can see a number of deals being done and for us especially outgoing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 01:37:12 PM
Welcome Ross.

Ask only this - work your fucking bollocks off day in and day out and you can become a better player and Villa a better team.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 30, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
Hookey I can still see us getting a forward in and a winger. I would like to see a LB. I think the international window closes next week so if Rashica is to happen it will by then. After that it will be the domestic market until the 16th I think where I can see a number of deals being done and for us especially outgoing.

I think if this is it then i would be more than happy

If stories are correct (and i mean that in the loosest term) then if Rashica does not fancy it then fuck him. I actually think we may have enough with the front 6 and cover for now.

I agree on a LB and let Taylor go and if Engels is not in Smiths mind maybe another, old head to act as cover
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 01:47:17 PM
LB is a must.

First choice one as well.

Targett can be back up / impact player
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 30, 2020, 01:47:37 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Dublin, Merson and Hendrie v Czech Republic 1998.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 30, 2020, 01:53:25 PM
I know we are all thinking heís competition for Conor but I suspect he will also allow McGuinn a rest too, which he sometimes needs, or even Jack come to think of it

Having watched a few highlight videos he does remind me of SJM. On top of that he, maybe to instruction, loves to supply the wingers. I'd be more than happy if we bring in another winger before the window closes, somebody that can consistently get the ball into the 6 yard box for Ollie to do his magic.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2020, 01:54:51 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Surely we would have had at least three in the Barry / Milner / Young / Gabby / Downing / Heskey era?

Barry, Young and Carson were all in the squad when we lost to croatia in 2007
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 01:55:00 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Surely we would have had at least three in the Barry / Milner / Young / Gabby / Downing / Heskey era?

Looks like it was Warnock, Heskey and Young for friendlies in 2010
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 30, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
I also liked the fact that Jack has been in his ear about joining for the past couple of weeks. About time we turned the tables on the belief/myth that itís our players who get tapped up on England duty.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 30, 2020, 01:56:14 PM
Signing a player who can't make the first team of a club below us in the table...not impressed ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: mike on September 30, 2020, 01:57:07 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Surely we would have had at least three in the Barry / Milner / Young / Gabby / Downing / Heskey era?

I remember O' Wanker once saying that all four of the England midfielders could be Villa players. He was including Nigel Reo-Coker in that equation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Dublin, Merson and Hendrie v Czech Republic 1998.

Hendrie replaced Merse I think. Have we had 3 on the pitch at the same time anytime since. Spinksy and Cowans played in a friendly but Nige didn't get anymore caps.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 30, 2020, 02:00:43 PM
If he gives us as much as Andy Townsend did when we signed him from Chelsea I will be very happy.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 30, 2020, 02:02:19 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Dublin, Merson and Hendrie v Czech Republic 1998.

Hendrie replaced Merse I think. Have we had 3 on the pitch at the same time anytime since. Spinksy and Cowans played in a friendly but Nige didn't get anymore caps.
Did we not have Barry, Young, Milner and Downing in the squad once at the same time?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on September 30, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good. They also think that this means they'll be getting Declan Rice, which is weird because they don't play in the same position (and in my opinion Rice is barely better than Ashley Westwood - but I was one of the few who rated him while he was at Villa).

In conclusion, I have no idea.

Reading the Everton forums he clearly left under a cloud and they seem to think there is not much between his ears, with comments like Ďcotton wool brainsí and Ďcrayon eaterí. Just hope he understands Deano!

He was a big mover and shaker in the Chelsea card school, apparently. Until he started eating the cards.

It's not a huge issue in the grand scheme of things, but it probably means Hourihane is more likely to wind his contract down now in 2021 if a loanee gets priority over him.

Conor has his faults, but is a good squad player and seems popular with the group. Ideally we'd have got that sorted before now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on September 30, 2020, 02:04:26 PM
LB is a must.
Can Ross play left back? :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2020, 02:11:11 PM
A quick look at Twitter (I know) tells me that Chelsea fans are a bit nonplussed about letting him go, which is good. They also think that this means they'll be getting Declan Rice, which is weird because they don't play in the same position (and in my opinion Rice is barely better than Ashley Westwood - but I was one of the few who rated him while he was at Villa).

In conclusion, I have no idea.

Reading the Everton forums he clearly left under a cloud and they seem to think there is not much between his ears, with comments like Ďcotton wool brainsí and Ďcrayon eaterí. Just hope he understands Deano!

He was a big mover and shaker in the Chelsea card school, apparently. Until he started eating the cards.

It's not a huge issue in the grand scheme of things, but it probably means Hourihane is more likely to wind his contract down now in 2021 if a loanee gets priority over him.

Conor has his faults, but is a good squad player and seems popular with the group. Ideally we'd have got that sorted before now.

Hourihane will be 30 in February, if he's not a regular starter at that point I can see him looking to move on and get a couple more seasons playing regularly at the highest level he can. It'll be a shame because he's a decent player who's been important for us, but the truth is Ramsey will overtake him in the next 12-18months even if we hadn't signed anyone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Border villan on September 30, 2020, 02:11:21 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Heaton, Mings, Grealish.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 02:16:31 PM
Looks like securing Jack secured this deal judging by Barkleyís comments.  Canít help feeling the best signing of all this window is bailing him down
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2020, 02:18:58 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Heaton, Mings, Grealish.

Should be the correct answer but Hudson-Odoi had played 15 matches for Chelsea by the time the squad was announced last November and therefore had to be picked ahead of Grealish.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simon ward 50 on September 30, 2020, 02:19:13 PM
He's a poor mans Jack Grealish!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Fred Crump on September 30, 2020, 02:19:34 PM
Blimey. Been busy with work, glanced at my phone and this has happened. Not a massive fan tbh but as others have said heís a current England international so heís no journeyman. Good luck Ross and play well
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 02:22:57 PM
LB is a must.
Can Ross play left back? :)

Still doing his Chatshow
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 02:31:38 PM
Looks like securing Jack secured this deal judging by Barkleyís comments.  Canít help feeling the best signing of all this window is bailing him down

Defo

I remember when Keane signed an extension at OT turn of the century and one of the pundits (Hansen I think) said it was a better signing than Yorke, Stam etc..as it was like signing (at the time) a 10m player every season for 10 years.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2020, 02:34:58 PM
50+ posts in they're not happy on Molineux Mix, we're in danger of overtaking them apparently.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 02:35:04 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Milner, Young, Heskey, James, plus one other I seem to recall.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 02:36:56 PM
50+ posts in they're not happy on Molineux Mix, we're in danger of overtaking them apparently.

Overtaking! We simply let them pass temporarily.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on September 30, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
Aye, Southgate, Barry, James at one point.

And Dublin, Merson and Southgate may have been on the pitch when Hendrie made his debut.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 02:37:44 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Milner, Young, Heskey, James, plus one other I seem to recall.

James left in 2001. Milner was 15 and Young was in Watford's youth team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 30, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
Pretty sure Downing, Bent and Young all started for England v Wales in a euro 2012 qualifier when they were all here.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 02:39:46 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Milner, Young, Heskey, James, plus one other I seem to recall.

James left in 2001. Milner was 15 and Young was in Watford's youth team.

Forget James, and put in Barry.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 02:42:10 PM
Pretty sure Downing, Bent and Young all started for England v Wales in a euro 2012 qualifier when they were all here.



I'm sure I recall there were 5 Villa players on the pitch for England in a game around about 2012. They didn't all start.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on September 30, 2020, 02:44:49 PM
A player Iíve always found a bit underwhelming in spite of or perhaps because of the hype. Hoping to be convinced that I misjudged him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 30, 2020, 02:49:14 PM
A player Iíve always found a bit underwhelming in spite of or perhaps because of the hype. Hoping to be convinced that I misjudged him.

There is a bit of Tom Cleverley vibes about it given he's mid 20s now and it hasn't worked out for him at a top 6 club.

Still for where we are it's a very decent signing to continue building upwards.

It's surprising how often he's started for England in last 2 years so Southgate in his wisdom rates him higher than Grealish and there's still a chance he could make the euros squad if he plays well enough for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 30, 2020, 02:54:42 PM
What are the loan rules?  Is there a limit on how many a club can make and where from?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 02:57:19 PM
What are the loan rules?  Is there a limit on how many a club can make and where from?

Only one from the same club.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brian green on September 30, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
Bang goes getting Tammy back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: enigma on September 30, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Very happy with this one. It means Jack isn't our sole source of creativity. He's very skilful, can beat a man and chip in with a few goals.

I really like the look of our midfield now. That first 11 is starting to look hugely improved over last season.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on September 30, 2020, 03:22:07 PM
Bang goes getting Tammy back.
Bearing in mind he started and scored in their last league game I'd say that chance had already gone anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 30, 2020, 03:25:14 PM
My big wish for this summer was that we'd be signing players to improve the first 11, rather than building a squad like last season - Barkley is just the latest example of us doing just that, and I couldn't be happier (well, I could, obviously, I'm a Villa fan after all, but I'm at a level of happiness I'm relatively unfamiliar with in recent times)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Matt C on September 30, 2020, 03:30:43 PM
Bang goes getting Tammy back.

On loan at least.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on September 30, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
Not a fan of Barkley really. I also think we are overloaded in terms of attacking midfielders with a gaping hole in LB and LCM. Huge pressure now on Luiz, if as seems likely, he will be the only holding midfielder with two of McGinn, Barkley and Hourihane in front. Think we will really struggle to play through the lines with that formation and also, even as exposed at times against Fulham, our midfield will struggle to stop teams playing against us.

Big opportunity for Barkley with us to get his career back on track but think the budget could/should have gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on September 30, 2020, 03:37:32 PM
50+ posts in they're not happy on Molineux Mix, we're in danger of overtaking them apparently.

They are so f*cking weird.  Wolves could sign Neymar and I doubt there would be more than a ripple on here - we sign Barkley on loan and they have a whole dedicated thread!  If Wolves were a person we'd be taking out a restraining order.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: hipkiss92 on September 30, 2020, 03:50:14 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Dublin, Merson and Hendrie v Czech Republic 1998.

Hendrie replaced Merse I think. Have we had 3 on the pitch at the same time anytime since. Spinksy and Cowans played in a friendly but Nige didn't get anymore caps.
Did we not have Barry, Young, Milner and Downing in the squad once at the same time?
Barry left before Downing signed. But I think Hesket, Gabby, Milner, Young and C Davies were at least all called up to the squad around 2010, even if they weren't all on the pitch at the same time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 30, 2020, 03:50:30 PM
Fantastic signing, really pleased with this.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tim on September 30, 2020, 03:51:45 PM
I think this is decent. A good player with some proven capabilities. Wasn't on the original wishlist but a worthwhile addition hopefully.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KRS on September 30, 2020, 03:56:00 PM
Good signing. Iíve always thought he has overrated but thereís no doubt that he is a good player when heís on it and will improve our midfield. We finally have another player that will complement and link up well with Jack, and our front 6 is now a mouth watering prospect. Welcome to VP RB!

Now please bring in Rashica and buy a quality LB...please!!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on September 30, 2020, 03:59:54 PM
Decent signing but keeping all these midfield players happy is what will worry me. I suppose itís part and parcel of having a big squad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2020, 04:07:31 PM
Decent signing but keeping all these midfield players happy is what will worry me. I suppose itís part and parcel of having a big squad.

That's the last of Dean's worries.  We're one injury or suspension from having to play Nakamba or Lansbury every game, and if either of them aren't happy, well here's 10p for them to phone somebody who gives a shit!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 04:11:18 PM
50+ posts in they're not happy on Molineux Mix, we're in danger of overtaking them apparently.

They are so f*cking weird.  Wolves could sign Neymar and I doubt there would be more than a ripple on here - we sign Barkley on loan and they have a whole dedicated thread!  If Wolves were a person we'd be taking out a restraining order.

Strange bunch the Dingles - easiest way to wind them up is to tell them they have turned into Baggies fans, being obsessed with us even though they have had a better team for a couple of years+.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on September 30, 2020, 04:11:40 PM
I also would be amazed if we had not agreed a deal to buy if it works out - we are so more professional nowadays


Havenít seen anything quoted about loan to buy. Agree we seem much more switched on about this than previously, but I can also see Chelsea wanting to loan him out to give him game time but wanting to keep their options open if some of their signings donít impress.

Heís a good addition for a year, regardless of buyout clause, and keeps our budget/ffp open for other purchases.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 30, 2020, 04:12:33 PM
This is a good signing - better than what we have in most aspects of centre midfield.

Let's hope it's not another Jermaine Jenas though :D
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: teamvillage on September 30, 2020, 04:19:02 PM
He has 33 England caps.

He was brilliant for Everton, and has done ok for Chelsea. For where we are right now he's a good signing and adds to the first team squad.

I'm pleased.

We now have three current England internationals in the side.

Cant recall that ever happening before. Probably goes back to the 1800s!

Ah just checked, Euro qualifiers 83/4, Sid, Morley and Withe

Dublin, Merson and Hendrie v Czech Republic 1998.

Hendrie replaced Merse I think. Have we had 3 on the pitch at the same time anytime since. Spinksy and Cowans played in a friendly but Nige didn't get anymore caps.
Did we not have Barry, Young, Milner and Downing in the squad once at the same time?
Barry left before Downing signed. But I think Hesket, Gabby, Milner, Young and C Davies were at least all called up to the squad around 2010, even if they weren't all on the pitch at the same time.

Gabby, Barry, Carson, Davies, Ash - Switzerland 2008.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on September 30, 2020, 04:20:04 PM
This is a good signing - better than what we have in most aspects of centre midfield.

Let's hope it's not another Jermaine Jenas though :D

Barclay played 30+ games last season. He only has to play 4 this season to beat JJ
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 30, 2020, 04:21:56 PM
Probably going over ground already covered but for where we are in our squad development this is a brilliant signing.
Exciting times lads & lasses!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on September 30, 2020, 04:22:45 PM
Hat trick against the Red Scouse please Ross, or GTFO.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: john e on September 30, 2020, 04:23:26 PM
he's a proper unit as well no pushover
technically very gifted and not lightweight

Grealish  Luiz  McGinadine  Barkley
its a long time since we put a stronger midfield out than that

if Barkley and Grealish click it could be exciting times
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: supertom on September 30, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
A good signing. I think it says everything about our improvement too that he's gonna have to work hard to earn a place in the side and keep it. It's a good show of ambition too.
I've always thought Barkley was overhyped, but that's the same for most English players. I think he moved to a top four side earlier than he should have. We've seen that with many players over the years and they don't get the game time they need to improve or they struggle to shine among more stars. It's a good move for him and a good move for us. He probably needs to drop a level, and he's also good enough to help move ourselves up a level too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 30, 2020, 04:43:50 PM
He was very exciting when he broke through at Everton. Had a fantasic season under Martinez in 13/14 and made England world cup squad. Since then injuries and inconsistancy which has continued at Chelsea.

Main complaint from Chelsea fans is his decision making in final third is poor, shooting miles over the bar when the easy pass is on either side of him etc.

Still the key is to start signing players on Jack's wavelength and Barkley will certainly be that in his best games for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 30, 2020, 04:47:38 PM
On paper we have a very strong midfield with bags of energy. Add that to Cash, Trez or Traore and Watkins, we suddenly look like a very progressive high tempo unit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Damo70 on September 30, 2020, 04:50:34 PM
I'll be honest, I've never been a massive fan and I've never understood why he's rated so highly. It'll be interesting to see how he fits in though, it's an intriguing one. Hope he has a belter of a season.

I have never been a big fan of his either but he has played 150 times for Everton, 50 times for Chelsea and 33 times for England so he must have something about him. To be fair he does have some skill and he is quite a big guy too so can obviously handle the physical side of the game.  Also at 26 coming up 27 he should be at his peak.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: BC Villain on September 30, 2020, 05:15:58 PM
"Next up , as he joins Aston Villa on loan, we look at where it all went wrong for Ross Barkley"

Good to see Sky's condescending, anti-Villa agenda is still alive and kicking
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JJ-AV on September 30, 2020, 05:31:21 PM
Have we ever signed anyone under the age of 30 with as many England caps?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 30, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
A meeting of minds, there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 30, 2020, 05:52:23 PM
Just now Talk sport are to be discussing Ross Barkley move to Villa.
Durham and Gough.

https://talksport.com/radioplayer/live/index.html?interstitial=true
no thanks
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on September 30, 2020, 06:01:14 PM
Just now Talk sport are to be discussing Ross Barkley move to Villa.
Durham and Gough.

https://talksport.com/radioplayer/live/index.html?interstitial=true
no thanks

I actually just put TS on for the first time in years. It's still absolute shite.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on September 30, 2020, 06:01:55 PM
"Next up , as he joins Aston Villa on loan, we look at where it all went wrong for Ross Barkley"

Good to see Sky's condescending, anti-Villa agenda is still alive and kicking

Following on from Monday where Alan Smith told the nation how embarrassing it was for Fulham to be losing at home to us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 30, 2020, 06:02:10 PM
Just now Talk sport are to be discussing Ross Barkley move to Villa.
Durham and Gough.
https://talksport.com/radioplayer/live/index.html?interstitial=true
no thanks
Why would yer?!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 30, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Happy with this signing. Proven premier league player, good improvement to the squad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 30, 2020, 06:04:57 PM
If he gives us as much as Andy Townsend did when we signed him from Chelsea I will be very happy.

Don't forget Kenny Swain!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rory on September 30, 2020, 06:07:47 PM
"Next up , as he joins Aston Villa on loan, we look at where it all went wrong for Ross Barkley"

Good to see Sky's condescending, anti-Villa agenda is still alive and kicking

I think that's quite funny, I've got to be honest.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rory on September 30, 2020, 06:08:42 PM
(Unlike anything to do with Alan Smith, the shit-for-brains.)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on September 30, 2020, 06:10:18 PM
Is this the first time our lads have tapped up someone for us on england duty?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: johnc on September 30, 2020, 06:30:13 PM
When was the last time we got a current England player? Bent? Merson?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 30, 2020, 06:31:17 PM
Downing? Heskey?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: maidstonevillain on September 30, 2020, 06:42:19 PM
Heaton?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: alan_clarke on September 30, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
Interesting reading some of the comments from Chelsea fans. They think its a bad decision to let him go. They would rather have shipped Loftus Cheek out.

My Everton supporting mate today said heís technically superb but makes a lot of frustrating decisions. Heís like a stupid Zidane he said...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JimmyV on September 30, 2020, 07:18:15 PM
More than happy with a stupid Zidane at our stage of evolution.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on September 30, 2020, 07:21:39 PM
More than happy with a stupid Zidane at our stage of evolution.
... and we have McGinn ("Super John McGinn")
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on September 30, 2020, 07:30:15 PM
Have a feeling this might be similar to the Tom Cleverly loan - whereby Barkley sees out time with us until he gets a more attractive move, turning in the odd decent game here and there.

Without that option to buy it's a danger.

But against that, if he has designs on getting back in the England squad he'll need to be performing regularly. He also has better players around him already than Cleverly did back then, so if it goes well, making the move permanent could suit all.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on September 30, 2020, 07:31:58 PM
The club was in a downward spiral when Cleverley signed though. This time weíre on the way up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 30, 2020, 07:40:02 PM
Welcome Ross - be good.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 30, 2020, 07:41:50 PM
Cleverley was never good enough anyway irrespective of the direction we were heading.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on September 30, 2020, 07:55:20 PM
This is a great signing in my opinion. A very good player which now gives us a formidable midfield
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on September 30, 2020, 07:56:58 PM
Jack, McGinn and Barkley is a brutal counterattacking midfield, not to mention Traore and Watkins. Starting to look serious.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 30, 2020, 08:07:31 PM
Cleverley was never good enough anyway irrespective of the direction we were heading.

Just my opinion, but I thought cleverly made Connors hologram games seem electric, a totally average at best player.
I too love the idea of having a stupid zidane in the side 😊
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: john2710 on September 30, 2020, 08:27:25 PM
Heís precisely the type of player we need, good technique & can go at teams in the final third. Provided heís up for it & I think he is, this is a good move for both.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: john e on September 30, 2020, 08:29:05 PM
How many of our existing midfielders would get a starting spot in that Chelsea squad? Good player that can't get regular football in a squad full of extremely good players.

We now have proper competition for the tree midfield places, which can only improve us.

Doug McGinn & Grealish

Only Grealish imo. Kante is better than Luiz and they have a number of players better than Mcginn.

Iím really excited by Barkley signing

It was a bit tongue in cheek mate

Iíd have put in one of those smily face emojis but they donít tend to come out on this forum
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on September 30, 2020, 08:35:53 PM
He's the sort of player that will make the opposition think twice before automatically putting two men on Jack when he's in possession, because he's also capable of creating something if you give him time and space in the final third - and frankly, we've not really had that sort of player in the side in the entire time Jack's been a first team regular.  Teams have been free to double up on him without really being punished for doing so.

It's an exciting prospect, certainly. Not just what Ross will bring to the team directly, but how having another genuinely talented and creative player in midfield will give Jack a little more freedom, and perhaps a little less attention from opposition defences...

Bring it on!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 30, 2020, 08:49:37 PM
Heís precisely the type of player we need, good technique & can go at teams in the final third. Provided heís up for it & I think he is, this is a good move for both.

Last night on Chelsea's bench, this morning he's training at Bodymoor Heath, and all smiles on the photos doing the rounds. I think he's up for it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rougegorge on September 30, 2020, 08:53:09 PM
Given the travails and struggles of last season, getting someone of Barkley's stature would have seemed very unlikely, so that's a positive sign.

Many Chelsea fans seem aghast that he's gone rather than Loftus-Cheek or Mount!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ktvillan on September 30, 2020, 08:57:44 PM
Agree with Smithy, it's the potential to share the burden of creativity with Grealish that is an exciting thought - which I also think Traore can add to.  With less attention and more space and time Grealish could have a field day.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: mallo on September 30, 2020, 09:02:23 PM
Happy with this - experience and can run all day and is a good presence - thatís a good strong midfield now that wonít get pushed around. Not really a gamble either and wonít need 10 games to bed in. Just a CB and another striker then ;-)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on September 30, 2020, 09:09:10 PM
So was he the Ďsit up and take noticeí signing that was spoken about then?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Astnor on September 30, 2020, 09:11:45 PM
I do think he did well in his welcome to us interview. He does see himself as a nr 8 in our team, no doubt about that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 30, 2020, 09:27:18 PM
No reflection whatsoever on his ability - I think he's a good player - but in this picture at least, he looks about 43.

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1311237731771723777/photo/1
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on September 30, 2020, 09:36:07 PM
No reflection whatsoever on his ability - I think he's a good player - but in this picture at least, he looks about 43.

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1311237731771723777/photo/1

I'm really pleased with this. Getting (as I now am) too old to qualify for Lange's transfer policy, I'm starting to wonder if players look younger now than they did in, say, the 90s simply because I was younger then, or because they actually look younger now. I mean, I watch videos of Ronald Koeman when he was my age, and the dude still looks like a f***ing man back then, and I think 'there's no way I look that old, people must have looked older then'. Barkley, with his older face, proves that I'm right. That's what a 26 year old footballer should look like.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about or am I just rambling incoherently?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2020, 09:56:53 PM
No reflection whatsoever on his ability - I think he's a good player - but in this picture at least, he looks about 43.

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1311237731771723777/photo/1

I'm really pleased with this. Getting (as I now am) too old to qualify for Lange's transfer policy, I'm starting to wonder if players look younger now than they did in, say, the 90s simply because I was younger then, or because they actually look younger now. I mean, I watch videos of Ronald Koeman when he was my age, and the dude still looks like a f***ing man back then, and I think 'there's no way I look that old, people must have looked older then'. Barkley, with his older face, proves that I'm right. That's what a 26 year old footballer should look like.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about or am I just rambling incoherently?

Nobody looks older than old footballers. I have no idea why, but a 36 year old player will always look three times as weathered as a 36 year old real life human. I'm 42 and balding and I look younger than Mark Hughes did when he was 27.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 30, 2020, 09:58:08 PM
Ravanelli celebrated his 45th birthday when he was nine.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 30, 2020, 10:00:29 PM
No reflection whatsoever on his ability - I think he's a good player - but in this picture at least, he looks about 43.

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1311237731771723777/photo/1

I'm really pleased with this. Getting (as I now am) too old to qualify for Lange's transfer policy, I'm starting to wonder if players look younger now than they did in, say, the 90s simply because I was younger then, or because they actually look younger now. I mean, I watch videos of Ronald Koeman when he was my age, and the dude still looks like a f***ing man back then, and I think 'there's no way I look that old, people must have looked older then'. Barkley, with his older face, proves that I'm right. That's what a 26 year old footballer should look like.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about or am I just rambling incoherently?

Nobody looks older than old footballers. I have no idea why, but a 36 year old player will always look three times as weathered as a 36 year old real life human. I'm 42 and balding and I look younger than Mark Hughes did when he was 27.

And Wayne Rooney when he was 19.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 30, 2020, 10:00:37 PM
Nobby Stiles looked like he'd struggle to be considered a midfield engine in a walking football team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 30, 2020, 10:11:32 PM
Looks like heís wearing a syrup in that photo.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 30, 2020, 10:16:47 PM
I don't know if this is a barometer of anything or not really but I've had more neutral fans messaging about Barkley today than any signing I can remember since I don't know when. Seems to be quite big news. They all think it's a better signing than me too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 30, 2020, 10:22:01 PM
That's happened to me, too. Albeit with bloody Teams messages rather than texts.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 30, 2020, 10:28:06 PM
I don't know if this is a barometer of anything or not really but I've had more neutral fans messaging about Barkley today than any signing I can remember since I don't know when. Seems to be quite big news. They all think it's a better signing than me too.

Same here. Man U fan, and Everton fan at work both brought it up. Had a WhatsApp message about it from a friend in Jordan (Chelsea fan), and my PNE supporting neighbor collated me on my way in the house to tell me what a good signing it was.

It is a signing I was hoping would happen, but I am taken aback how much it has changed the way neutral fans regard us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on September 30, 2020, 10:45:08 PM
No reflection whatsoever on his ability - I think he's a good player - but in this picture at least, he looks about 43.

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1311237731771723777/photo/1

I'm really pleased with this. Getting (as I now am) too old to qualify for Lange's transfer policy, I'm starting to wonder if players look younger now than they did in, say, the 90s simply because I was younger then, or because they actually look younger now. I mean, I watch videos of Ronald Koeman when he was my age, and the dude still looks like a f***ing man back then, and I think 'there's no way I look that old, people must have looked older then'. Barkley, with his older face, proves that I'm right. That's what a 26 year old footballer should look like.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about or am I just rambling incoherently?

Nobody looks older than old footballers. I have no idea why, but a 36 year old player will always look three times as weathered as a 36 year old real life human. I'm 42 and balding and I look younger than Mark Hughes did when he was 27.

I've cumulatively lost hours on this Twitter account:

https://mobile.twitter.com/80sAging

Photos of footballers from the 80s who looks far older than they should.

For example, Nivaldo of Portimonense.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EauwoBVX0AUtUJJ?format=jpg)

Every one of his 29 years at the time of photo, showing on his face.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2020, 10:50:12 PM
That's the week gone for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on September 30, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
Some beauts on there, unfortunately Des Bremner is one.  I cry foul!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 30, 2020, 11:12:38 PM
Some brilliant stuff on there e.g. Tommy Gemmell aged 30.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 30, 2020, 11:17:32 PM
Some beauts on there, unfortunately Des Bremner is one.  I cry foul!

Remind me to never let you set me up on a blind date, Dave!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JD on September 30, 2020, 11:19:29 PM
Got a text from an Everton supporting mate at 5am this morning saying Villa have signed Ross the Rat.

Obviously still upset about the way he left Everton  ;D
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on September 30, 2020, 11:35:50 PM
No reflection whatsoever on his ability - I think he's a good player - but in this picture at least, he looks about 43.

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1311237731771723777/photo/1

I'm really pleased with this. Getting (as I now am) too old to qualify for Lange's transfer policy, I'm starting to wonder if players look younger now than they did in, say, the 90s simply because I was younger then, or because they actually look younger now. I mean, I watch videos of Ronald Koeman when he was my age, and the dude still looks like a f***ing man back then, and I think 'there's no way I look that old, people must have looked older then'. Barkley, with his older face, proves that I'm right. That's what a 26 year old footballer should look like.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about or am I just rambling incoherently?

Nobody looks older than old footballers. I have no idea why, but a 36 year old player will always look three times as weathered as a 36 year old real life human. I'm 42 and balding and I look younger than Mark Hughes did when he was 27.

I've cumulatively lost hours on this Twitter account:

https://mobile.twitter.com/80sAging

Photos of footballers from the 80s who looks far older than they should.

For example, Nivaldo of Portimonense.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EauwoBVX0AUtUJJ?format=jpg)

Every one of his 29 years at the time of photo, showing on his face.

This is the best thing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on September 30, 2020, 11:37:32 PM
He must have had a bastard of a paper round.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 30, 2020, 11:46:58 PM
Got a text from an Everton supporting mate at 5am this morning saying Villa have signed Ross the Rat.

Obviously still upset about the way he left Everton  ;D

Kind of appropriate that they still employ Fabian the Snake. We can have a boo off next time they allow fans in.

Both players will have retired by then but we both know our 'istry so shouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on September 30, 2020, 11:57:13 PM
Bloody hell that Twitter account is hilarious. Thatís fantastic, I actually feel quite young now. Itís like the complete opposite to what footballers look like today. They look older and less athletic than my local veterans team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villadelph on October 01, 2020, 12:43:44 AM
Got a text from an Everton supporting mate at 5am this morning saying Villa have signed Ross the Rat.

Obviously still upset about the way he left Everton  ;D

Kind of appropriate that they still employ Fabian the Snake. We can have a boo off next time they allow fans in.



Amazing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2020, 01:54:25 AM
Have a feeling this might be similar to the Tom Cleverly loan - whereby Barkley sees out time with us until he gets a more attractive move, turning in the odd decent game here and there.

Without that option to buy it's a danger.

But against that, if he has designs on getting back in the England squad he'll need to be performing regularly. He also has better players around him already than Cleverly did back then, so if it goes well, making the move permanent could suit all.

Benteke and Delph weren't exactly bad team-mates.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Scott Nielsen on October 01, 2020, 04:23:04 AM
Have a feeling this might be similar to the Tom Cleverly loan - whereby Barkley sees out time with us until he gets a more attractive move, turning in the odd decent game here and there.

Wouldn't it be easier for him to simply remain at Chelsea in that case? Why uproot himself just to pointlessly coast through a season in a new environment and the risks that come with that?

No telling if he'll be a success for us but I see no reason to question his commitment.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on October 01, 2020, 06:13:57 AM
No reflection whatsoever on his ability - I think he's a good player - but in this picture at least, he looks about 43.

https://twitter.com/DeadlineDayLive/status/1311237731771723777/photo/1

I'm really pleased with this. Getting (as I now am) too old to qualify for Lange's transfer policy, I'm starting to wonder if players look younger now than they did in, say, the 90s simply because I was younger then, or because they actually look younger now. I mean, I watch videos of Ronald Koeman when he was my age, and the dude still looks like a f***ing man back then, and I think 'there's no way I look that old, people must have looked older then'. Barkley, with his older face, proves that I'm right. That's what a 26 year old footballer should look like.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about or am I just rambling incoherently?

Nobody looks older than old footballers. I have no idea why, but a 36 year old player will always look three times as weathered as a 36 year old real life human. I'm 42 and balding and I look younger than Mark Hughes did when he was 27.

I've cumulatively lost hours on this Twitter account:

https://mobile.twitter.com/80sAging

Photos of footballers from the 80s who looks far older than they should.

For example, Nivaldo of Portimonense.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EauwoBVX0AUtUJJ?format=jpg)

Every one of his 29 years at the time of photo, showing on his face.
That's a fantastic Twitter account.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on October 01, 2020, 07:00:37 AM
If he finds his straps, Barkley will also be useful as cover for Jack if he's injured/rested at any stage. Although the squad is much improved from last season, I shudder to think about the period when Jack was out. We play through him so much, it's hard to change the system when he's missing. Hopefully Barkley along with Ollie and Traore add a few prongs to the attack this season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on October 01, 2020, 07:15:58 AM
I said before I was surprised at the response to Barkley rumours. I think he's a cut or two above Hourihane, as he has that physical presence that Connor doesn't.

The playing of two 8s doesn't appear to do Liverpool harm and given how effective our press has been the past 8 games (and across different squads) I think/I hope Barkley can add to that.

Its interesting to read briefly not just across the local forums, but also other teams and their reactions to this signing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on October 01, 2020, 08:16:22 AM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 01, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
Have a feeling this might be similar to the Tom Cleverly loan - whereby Barkley sees out time with us until he gets a more attractive move, turning in the odd decent game here and there.

Wouldn't it be easier for him to simply remain at Chelsea in that case? Why uproot himself just to pointlessly coast through a season in a new environment and the risks that come with that?

No telling if he'll be a success for us but I see no reason to question his commitment.
Some things are genuine concerns like a previous injury record for instance and are worthy of debate but speculation about what someone's intentions are really aren't. I could say that I think Barkley's intentions are to light up the club with brilliant performances and force his way into the England squad but unless he comes out and says that I'm just going  to live in hope that that's the case.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 01, 2020, 09:11:43 AM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
Christ I hope you're not a betting man.  I'm pretty confident that team would be relegated from the Championship not get to the play off final.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 01, 2020, 09:21:06 AM
Here's what my reliable Chelsea supporting (STH) mate says:
Quote
Powerful running with the ball from deep. Can play cute passes to spring forwards free. Has looked v good for us coming off the bench. I would have kept him for that reason. My concern is he might be a flat track bully, often fails to produce against the good or well organised teams.

There will be a few times when he makes a great run, you drop your (metaphorical) chocolate digestive into your (metaphorical) coffee you're so excited, Grealish has made a great run and is clear, "pass Ross, PASS". He does. Too late. Grealish is offside. You look down at your coffee. You wonder what it's all for....

There is, I think, a potentially  really good player inside a very good athlete. Frank Lampard is not a coach. J reckon Guardiola or Klopp would make him a better player, so the question is, will Dean improve him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: malckennedy on October 01, 2020, 09:42:33 AM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
Christ I hope you're not a betting man.  I'm pretty confident that team would be relegated from the Championship not get to the play off final.

And me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 01, 2020, 09:43:26 AM
Here's what my reliable Chelsea supporting (STH) mate says:
Quote
Powerful running with the ball from deep. Can play cute passes to spring forwards free. Has looked v good for us coming off the bench. I would have kept him for that reason. My concern is he might be a flat track bully, often fails to produce against the good or well organised teams.

There will be a few times when he makes a great run, you drop your (metaphorical) chocolate digestive into your (metaphorical) coffee you're so excited, Grealish has made a great run and is clear, "pass Ross, PASS". He does. Too late. Grealish is offside. You look down at your coffee. You wonder what it's all for....

There is, I think, a potentially  really good player inside a very good athlete. Frank Lampard is not a coach. J reckon Guardiola or Klopp would make him a better player, so the question is, will Dean improve him?

Thatís a more eloquent version of what I said to my lad about him. Heís got all the attributes but too often he makes the wrong decision, plays it left when there are two players free on the right or holds on to it when a forward pass is on. If he can be coached out of it then Chelsea will be getting a decent player back next season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 01, 2020, 09:52:51 AM
Here's what my reliable Chelsea supporting (STH) mate says:
Quote
Powerful running with the ball from deep. Can play cute passes to spring forwards free. Has looked v good for us coming off the bench. I would have kept him for that reason. My concern is he might be a flat track bully, often fails to produce against the good or well organised teams.

There will be a few times when he makes a great run, you drop your (metaphorical) chocolate digestive into your (metaphorical) coffee you're so excited, Grealish has made a great run and is clear, "pass Ross, PASS". He does. Too late. Grealish is offside. You look down at your coffee. You wonder what it's all for....

There is, I think, a potentially  really good player inside a very good athlete. Frank Lampard is not a coach. J reckon Guardiola or Klopp would make him a better player, so the question is, will Dean improve him?
Good stuff. I posted yesterday comparing him to Mortimer in that he makes driving runs straight at the heart of defences. That can really cause havoc and that's what excites me about the prospect of having him. As the Chelsea fan says it's all about whether our coaching staff can get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 01, 2020, 10:01:25 AM
I like the idea of Davis holding the ball and laying it off to Barkley, or Grealish, maybe Watkins, or Traore, perhaps McGinn..... For the finish...

Good times ahead!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 01, 2020, 10:10:45 AM
Here's what my reliable Chelsea supporting (STH) mate says:
Quote
Powerful running with the ball from deep. Can play cute passes to spring forwards free. Has looked v good for us coming off the bench. I would have kept him for that reason. My concern is he might be a flat track bully, often fails to produce against the good or well organised teams.

There will be a few times when he makes a great run, you drop your (metaphorical) chocolate digestive into your (metaphorical) coffee you're so excited, Grealish has made a great run and is clear, "pass Ross, PASS". He does. Too late. Grealish is offside. You look down at your coffee. You wonder what it's all for....

There is, I think, a potentially  really good player inside a very good athlete. Frank Lampard is not a coach. J reckon Guardiola or Klopp would make him a better player, so the question is, will Dean improve him?

Thatís a more eloquent version of what I said to my lad about him. Heís got all the attributes but too often he makes the wrong decision, plays it left when there are two players free on the right or holds on to it when a forward pass is on. If he can be coached out of it then Chelsea will be getting a decent player back next season.

I see that too.  I'm hoping that it's a case of a bit part player trying to impress quickly when he's not the first choice.  Playing for us he will be in from the start and can allow himself to grow into the team with his starting place not so much under pressure.  That's my hope anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 01, 2020, 10:23:57 AM
As much as I'd love us to 'do a Leicester', I very much doubt we will. If as part of our progression we have indeed got hold of a flat-track bully for a season, I'm happy with that. I'm under no illusions about what our shortcomings will probably be when we come up against the top sides, but if we've got a player that will help us put a dozen lesser sides to the sword twice this season, well then he's alright by me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 01, 2020, 10:26:03 AM
As much as I'd love us to 'do a Leicester', I very much doubt we will. If as part of our progression we have indeed got hold of a flat-track bully for a season, I'm happy with that. I'm under no illusions about what our shortcomings will probably be when we come up against the top sides, but if we've got a player that will help us put a dozen lesser sides to the sword twice this season, well then he's alright by me.
We 'only' need 10 more wins and a few draws to finish comfortably mid-table ...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on October 01, 2020, 11:48:56 AM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
Christ I hope you're not a betting man.  I'm pretty confident that team would be relegated from the Championship not get to the play off final.
Ha, well thankfully I don't bet. But i'd disagree there - practically that exact team beat Bristol City 3-0 a week ago, and will play & hopefully beat Stoke tonight. They'd do fine in the Championship.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 01, 2020, 12:04:56 PM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
Christ I hope you're not a betting man.  I'm pretty confident that team would be relegated from the Championship not get to the play off final.
Ha, well thankfully I don't bet. But i'd disagree there - practically that exact team beat Bristol City 3-0 a week ago, and will play & hopefully beat Stoke tonight. They'd do fine in the Championship.

I'd agree.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on October 01, 2020, 12:07:01 PM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
Christ I hope you're not a betting man.  I'm pretty confident that team would be relegated from the Championship not get to the play off final.
Ha, well thankfully I don't bet. But i'd disagree there - practically that exact team beat Bristol City 3-0 a week ago, and will play & hopefully beat Stoke tonight. They'd do fine in the Championship.

I'd agree.

Me too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 01, 2020, 12:10:48 PM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
Christ I hope you're not a betting man.  I'm pretty confident that team would be relegated from the Championship not get to the play off final.
Ha, well thankfully I don't bet. But i'd disagree there - practically that exact team beat Bristol City 3-0 a week ago, and will play & hopefully beat Stoke tonight. They'd do fine in the Championship.

I agree, I'd also say that the team from as close as possible to 2 years ago today that played preston was:

Bunn, Elmo, Tuanzebe, Chester, Hutton, Thor, McGinn, Kodjia, Hourihane, Grealish, Abraham

Hourihane and Elmo are in both so there's 9 players to compare:

Steer vs Bunn - Steer is better
Guilbert vs Tuanzebe - not a direct comparison so a draw
Hause vs Chester - Chester is better
Taylor vs Hutton - as a left back I'd go with Taylor
Nakamba vs Thor - Nakamba for me
Ramsey  vs McGinn - McGinn by a long way
Trez vs Kodj - Trez for me
Grealish vs AEG - Jack obviously
Davis vs Tammy - Tammy wins

You'd end up with a pretty even split between the 2 but with the real quality being Jack and John who are still with us in the first 11.

Put that team in the championship and it'd be comfortably top half. Also remember you still have Engels, Lansbury, Jota and Heaton to add in who are all either too good for the championship or have proven they can be important players in that league.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 01, 2020, 12:32:48 PM
Well obviously we'll never know, but to me this team looks incredibly average with no stand out quality and a makeshift centre back.

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

Whereas any team with Jack, McGinn and Tammy has always got a chance.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 01, 2020, 12:34:16 PM
Well obviously we'll never know, but to me this team looks incredibly average with no stand out quality and a makeshift centre back.

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

Whereas any team with Jack, McGinn and Tammy has always got a chance.

It doesn't have to be average to avoid relegation from the Championship. Small Heath manage it and the day they're average is the day they stop thinking about us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 01, 2020, 12:37:27 PM
ok, we'll agree to differ and thankfully we'll never have to find out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 01, 2020, 01:27:44 PM
5 of that 11 started in the actual play off final!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 01, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
I know it was with Everton and was 2 years ago

But this is what got him into the England squad in the first place



If we get half of that form then this is going to  be  a great bit of business
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 01, 2020, 01:49:30 PM
Dean Smith in his latest interview talks about Barkley not just playing as a box to box midfielder but also in a more free capacity as he did when he broke through at Everton. Heís certainly got a good engine but it would be interesting to see if we can restore some of the goal scoring and natural creativity he once showed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: mallo on October 01, 2020, 02:04:59 PM
I know it was with Everton and was 2 years ago

But this is what got him into the England squad in the first place



If we get half of that form then this is going to  be  a great bit of business
Think I saw a Richards / Lescott masterclass in there...

He's good in that video - between him and Jack we should be able to switch play and they don't need to hang on to the ball as long.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT Villan on October 01, 2020, 02:19:28 PM
I know it's only a highlights reel, but what struck me from that video was how two-footed he appears to be.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 01, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
I cannot imagine any circumstances (with the exception of him not being on the pitch) where Ross Barkley doesnít improve us as a team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 01, 2020, 03:52:46 PM
Official announcement (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/Villa-announce-Barkley-loan-signing/). Season long loan, no word on any option to buy.

Does Johan Lange (our SD not the botanist) remind anyone else of Bingo from The Banana Splits or is it just me?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 01, 2020, 04:46:45 PM
I've just been told by a Chelsea fan that we have paid an £11 million loan fee??!!??!?!?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 01, 2020, 04:48:11 PM
Apparently came from this article
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/10/01/report-west-ham-couldnt-pay-11m-deal-for-ross-barkley-hes-now-joined-aston-villa/
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 01, 2020, 05:00:15 PM
I've just been told by a Chelsea fan that we have paid an £11 million loan fee??!!??!?!?

That includes his wages and agent's fees. If he's on 100k a week that would mean a loan fee of approx 6m which seems reasonable for a 20-25m player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2020, 05:22:43 PM
Yeah, it is odd how regular big players are now moving on loan. If Yanited got Dembele from Barca, even for a year you imagine the loan fee would be about £20-£25m alone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 01, 2020, 05:35:30 PM
Well what have spurs had to pay for Bale?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2020, 06:06:41 PM
Madrid want shot of him so maybe the fee is nominal due to his ridiculous wages. Gareth could keep the Welsh league going through Covid and he wouldn't feel the difference.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 01, 2020, 06:26:22 PM
Not even in the England set-up... Rubbish.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on October 01, 2020, 09:52:24 PM
Not even in the England set-up... Rubbish.

your saying Ross Barkley is rubbish ??

you must be off your trolley if you think that !
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 01, 2020, 09:56:21 PM
But heís no Gareth Bales😊
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2020, 09:56:59 PM
Not even in the England set-up... Rubbish.

your saying Ross Barkley is rubbish ??

you must be off your trolley if you think that !

Not sure what it makes you if you couldn't see that he was joking?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 01, 2020, 09:57:39 PM
Not even in the England set-up... Rubbish.

your saying Ross Barkley is rubbish ??

you must be off your trolley if you think that !

No, it's more a case he joins Villa and a day later he's out of the England squad. Typical Southgate anti-Villa bias. ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on October 01, 2020, 10:02:11 PM
Not even in the England set-up... Rubbish.

your saying Ross Barkley is rubbish ??

you must be off your trolley if you think that !

oh looks like i got the wrong end of the stick then

to me one of the best 3 midfield players in the prem . wish he had a welsh grandad so we could poach him !!

Not sure what it makes you if you couldn't see that he was joking?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 01, 2020, 10:10:34 PM
Iím not sure that even his gran would rate him in the top 3 midfielders.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 02, 2020, 11:34:41 AM
Happy with this signing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on October 02, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
If you look at our second eleven now

Steer
Guilbert - Elmo(?) - Hause - Taylor
Ramsey - Nakamba - Hourihane
Trez - Davies/Wesley - AEG

That's not a bad side really - probably struggle in the Premier League, but I'd put money on them beating our first team from 2 years ago.
This post didn't age well :(
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 03, 2020, 09:26:21 AM
'Probably struggle in the Premier League'. Er yes, I think it probably would!


 :o
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Jimsta on October 03, 2020, 05:06:02 PM
I suggested Ross Barkley in the Transfer thread weeks ago and happy i got my wish true. On his day a fantastic player lets hope Smith brings his talent right out. We have now got the opposition thinking more than just Grealish to worry about.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: GarTomas on October 04, 2020, 08:16:08 PM
A massive improvement to us based on that 45.

Always free when weíre breaking and carrying the ball tremendously.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: manic-road on October 04, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
A massive improvement to us based on that 45.

Always free when weíre breaking and carrying the ball tremendously.
Yes could have had three in the first half, he's playing further up the pitch than I thought he would.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 08:50:57 PM
Heís been superb
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 04, 2020, 08:55:54 PM
The missing piece in the jigsaw.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Damo70 on October 04, 2020, 08:59:18 PM
The missing piece in the jigsaw.

I know it is relatively easy to shine in a team performance like this but I think he has been magnificent and the best of the lot. Although that new striker we bought hasn't been bad either  ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 04, 2020, 08:59:32 PM
I'll hold my hand up, he's been a lot better than I expected, his understanding with Jack has been a huge part of this.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 04, 2020, 09:03:59 PM
If he could shoot he'd be useful.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 04, 2020, 09:11:47 PM
Looks ace
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 04, 2020, 09:17:22 PM
What a debut, superb, putty he forgot his shooting boots. Heís going to get on the score sheet regularly with Jack in the team
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Proposition Joe on October 04, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
Once he gets his match sharpness (remember he's been a sub for the last x seasons), watch us go. He and Jack already look like they have a great understanding.

Great signing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dinas_Caerdydd on October 04, 2020, 09:24:00 PM
Iím not sure that even his gran would rate him in the top 3 midfielders.

you were saying   :D
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 04, 2020, 09:25:10 PM
He'll do, I suppose.







 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: themossman on October 04, 2020, 09:26:32 PM
Great game. When he starts taking his chances that front 3 is going to rip a few teams to shreds.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LukeJames on October 04, 2020, 09:27:33 PM
His carrying off the ball, running in behind, getting into gaps between the defence and midfield, linking with Grealish. Fucking hell!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 09:28:33 PM
I can't recall the last time a player join us and immediately look like he's played for us for ages. And we have two in Barkley, and Ollie who looked that way against Sheff Utd.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: stevo_st on October 04, 2020, 09:44:03 PM
Settled in much better than I expected. Bit of an upgrade on Hotlips isn't he!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: supertom on October 04, 2020, 09:50:02 PM
There's a great balance to having Dougy sitting, spraying out passes and all that energy you get from SGM and now Barkley. He's already got a bit of a connection with Grealish too. To be fair, everyone seems to, I think it's Jack as a leader and just as an inspiring football talent. Barkley was great today and long may it continue.

I feel like we've got elements in place to have an exciting season that we've not had since the early days of O Neill, and going back to Little's side in 95-96.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on October 04, 2020, 09:51:47 PM
Barkley is just the kind of player we've needed, adds a completely new dimension to our play.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: themossman on October 04, 2020, 09:53:08 PM
He does. His physical presence and aerial ability immediately made us look more competitive in the middle. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on October 04, 2020, 09:54:09 PM
The missing piece in the jigsaw.
Just posted that on the post match thread.I was undecided whether Loftus-Cheek would be a better choice but he makes us more powerful in midfield and he must have enjoyed playing with Jack,he will get lots of chances.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Proposition Joe on October 04, 2020, 09:58:25 PM
He and Jack also seem to geniunely be friends
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 10:00:42 PM
dare I say it, and not meaning to get too carried away, but he reminded me of Jimmy Milner.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on October 04, 2020, 10:06:28 PM
He's such a good footballer - the ball sticks, and he can move it accurately and quickly, he can also beat his man and carry the ball up the field.

If he carries on like that and Chelsea don't challenge for the title, I can see Fat Frank getting Hell's abuse for the decision to lend him to us.

I'm already wondering what the plan is to sign him for keeps next summer!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SaddVillan on October 04, 2020, 10:07:53 PM
Jack and Ross walking to their cars after tonight's match.

https://youtu.be/JMOBxjIvLBE
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
dare I say it, and not meaning to get too carried away, but he reminded me of Jimmy Milner.

He's more skilful than Milner.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 10:50:01 PM
at 2-0 Barkley missed a pretty easy chance after a brilliant through ball by Jack. That run he made is one we haven't seen any of our players do at this level since we came back up. Expect to see that relationship get much better and that run seen more often and goals come from it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 04, 2020, 10:52:07 PM
Not sure we need aother forward player into the squad after seeing how far forward Barkley played.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
at 2-0 Barkley missed a pretty easy chance after a brilliant through ball by Jack. That run he made is one we haven't seen any of our players do at this level since we came back up. Expect to see that relationship get much better and that run seen more often and goals come from it.

He'll get sharper, and then he'll be even better.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on October 04, 2020, 10:57:44 PM
I love him already. A huge contributor to one of the most famous nights in our recent history.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 04, 2020, 10:59:36 PM
I love him already. A huge contributor to one of the most famous nights in our recent history.

He seems to open up a kaleidoscope of options for us going forward.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 04, 2020, 11:02:38 PM
Terrific debut.  Thought he gave us a real drive from midfield, something we have been lacking for ages.  Linked up really well with Grealish as well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on October 04, 2020, 11:03:48 PM
He played a lot further forward than I anticipated. I thought him and McGinn would be slightly deeper as 8s as I wasn't expecting us to come windmilling at Liverpool.

I said before that I liked him, but he took me by surprise firstly by his condition, I don't know why, but I'd never really taken in just how big, strong and quick he is. He gives us a real pressence.

He has a great touch, finds space supremely well, hits the box and also drags attention off Jack.

A very, very impressive debut.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 04, 2020, 11:05:11 PM
Barkley and Jack are going to tear a few teams a new one this season.  You can't double up on both of them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 04, 2020, 11:09:59 PM
I've always loved the late running midfielder. I love Platt and Taylor for that reason. So hard to pick up. I think we will see Barkley do that role for us very well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 11:12:10 PM
For those mentioning not knowing how far up, conscious decision by Smith, at least for this match.

Quote
On Barkley giving Villa a new dimension: ďHe does. We tweaked our system and had two holders in Douglas Luiz and John McGinn and freed up Ross as a 10 and tried to keep them down one side.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on October 04, 2020, 11:12:22 PM
I already hope we have an option to buy......
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Steve67 on October 04, 2020, 11:15:21 PM
He played really well and didn't seem to let the early chances fluffed bother him.  He will score 10 goals or more for us this season with his late runs into the box.  Really good debut and I suspect there is more to come from him.  Great partnership between him and Jack.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on October 04, 2020, 11:16:49 PM
Barkley and Jack are going to tear a few teams a new one this season.  You can't double up on both of them.
Totally this.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on October 04, 2020, 11:18:50 PM
Barkley and Jack are going to tear a few teams a new one this season.  You can't double up on both of them.
Totally this.

Well you can but that will be 3 other players in McGinn, Trez and Luiz who have acres of space.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 04, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
Brilliant, love him already.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2020, 12:02:00 AM
Are you going to quote yourself all night?!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ozzjim on October 05, 2020, 12:06:03 AM
Are you going to quote yourself all night?!

It is the humble way to act these days clearly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 05, 2020, 12:22:52 AM
He played brilliant I'm glad we have him albeit on loan.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tayls_7 on October 05, 2020, 12:36:56 AM
Are you going to quote yourself all night?!

It is the humble way to act these days clearly.

I'm on international break now
But do remember Villa have the best 2 English midfielders in the league.
The 2 best English Central defenders
The best Scottish midfielder
And the best Irish one

With the best English coach in the premier league.
UK can be proud.

Up the Villa.

Stay Safe ! And please bask in the glory like I shall Vs all Liverpool supporters see you in a few week Vs Leicester.

Dreamland !

Have a nice time on your international break son.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on October 05, 2020, 12:44:15 AM
I love him already. A huge contributor to one of the most famous nights in our recent history.

He seems to open up a kaleidoscope of options for us going forward.

A week is a long time in football.

I'd rather watch Ramsey develop within our team than watch Barkley chuntering around making wrong decision after wrong decision, for the best part of £100k a week.

And to be fair he should have had three!  Good start Ross but don't get cocky.



Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 12:54:48 AM
I love him already. A huge contributor to one of the most famous nights in our recent history.

He seems to open up a kaleidoscope of options for us going forward.

A week is a long time in football.

I'd rather watch Ramsey develop within our team than watch Barkley chuntering around making wrong decision after wrong decision, for the best part of £100k a week.

And to be fair he should have had three!  Good start Ross but don't get cocky.





I know, what a plum. A very happy plum mind.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ktvillan on October 05, 2020, 01:27:38 AM
He's added a new dimension, and had taken some of the attention off Jack and freed him up. To say he's hit the ground running tonight is an understatement.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 05, 2020, 08:30:20 AM
Absolutely fantastic debut.  What an excellent player we have.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on October 05, 2020, 09:30:25 AM
Excellent start. Played further forward than I thought he would and it seemed to help.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 05, 2020, 09:33:59 AM
Superb debut, really like the understanding between him and Jack - wow
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: itbrvilla on October 05, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
We looked to be set up higher up the pitch with emphasis on attack. I think his passing and link up with Jack have allowed us to attack much quicker with purpose.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 05, 2020, 11:05:59 AM
Superb display but also expertly shows the Barkley enigma - should have put the scoreline (further) out of sight - he really should score more for the chances he get on the end of. Anyway, already looking a much better punt than RLC - lets hope a season back in the England team with jack will persuade him to move permanently.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on October 05, 2020, 11:16:52 AM
Great debut. A clear upgrade on Hourihane in terms of his ability to carry the ball and his physicality. Not since Ian Taylor have we had anyone who can break from centre midfield into the box like that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 05, 2020, 11:30:23 AM
He was terrific - hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on October 05, 2020, 11:54:13 AM
Played more like a number 10 last night than as a number 8.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on October 05, 2020, 12:36:31 PM
Played more like a number 10 last night than as a number 8.

Which was the plan according to Smiths post match interview.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 05, 2020, 12:47:51 PM
He was much better than I was expecting. Hereís hoping that I might have underestimated him. Still missed two decent chances though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on October 05, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
Yes, but interesting to see how often we use that tactic. For instance, I can see a front 4 diamond of Watkins up top, Barkley behind, Jack left and Trez/Troare right but with the ability for them to all interchange and really move and pull defences apart. For instance Jack having the license to move to that number 10 role mid game and Barkley fill in until they can move round again. It should become very fluid and difficult to play against.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Damo70 on October 05, 2020, 12:51:46 PM
He was terrific - hope he keeps it up.

He seemed very comfortable on the ball and played as if he had all the time in the world when in possession. It was a very good debut and he and Jack seemed to click.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 05, 2020, 01:36:05 PM
He was much better than I was expecting. Hereís hoping that I might have underestimated him. Still missed two decent chances though.

The 2 he missed from through balls from Jack don't bother me that much, the one i didn't like was when he broke through and tried to score at the near post (it went for the corner where McGinn scored) because Watkins was completely unmarked at the back post with a tap in for his hat-trick. I'd expect anyone to play the pass there and was disappointed he took on the shot. It's only a very minor criticism after a very good debut performance but it frustrated me at the time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 05, 2020, 01:37:03 PM
Let's hope he has fun here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
He was much better than I was expecting. Hereís hoping that I might have underestimated him. Still missed two decent chances though.

The 2 he missed from through balls from Jack don't bother me that much, the one i didn't like was when he broke through and tried to score at the near post (it went for the corner where McGinn scored) because Watkins was completely unmarked at the back post with a tap in for his hat-trick. I'd expect anyone to play the pass there and was disappointed he took on the shot. It's only a very minor criticism after a very good debut performance but it frustrated me at the time.

I thought that at the time, but when I watched the reply Gomez had got in between and it wasnít as clear cut.

He should have roofed it though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on October 05, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
He was much better than I was expecting. Hereís hoping that I might have underestimated him. Still missed two decent chances though.

The 2 he missed from through balls from Jack don't bother me that much, the one i didn't like was when he broke through and tried to score at the near post (it went for the corner where McGinn scored) because Watkins was completely unmarked at the back post with a tap in for his hat-trick. I'd expect anyone to play the pass there and was disappointed he took on the shot. It's only a very minor criticism after a very good debut performance but it frustrated me at the time.

I thought that at the time, but when I watched the reply Gomez had got in between and it wasnít as clear cut.

He should have roofed it though.

I like to think that he realised that he might get pulled back for offside, so deliberately forced the corner knowing we'd score from it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on October 05, 2020, 02:02:38 PM
He was much better than I was expecting. Hereís hoping that I might have underestimated him. Still missed two decent chances though.

The 2 he missed from through balls from Jack don't bother me that much, the one i didn't like was when he broke through and tried to score at the near post (it went for the corner where McGinn scored) because Watkins was completely unmarked at the back post with a tap in for his hat-trick. I'd expect anyone to play the pass there and was disappointed he took on the shot. It's only a very minor criticism after a very good debut performance but it frustrated me at the time.

Brilliant loan signing... heís going to make a massive difference for us. But in tighter games where we donít have 12 clear cut chances and score 7, I can see how his profligacy might prove costly. Itís been a criticism throughout - missing chances and also missing passes to people in better scoring positions. Thing is, like Tammy, he gets into so many goal scoring opportunities with great runs and positioning.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Somniloquism on October 05, 2020, 02:13:56 PM
He was much better than I was expecting. Hereís hoping that I might have underestimated him. Still missed two decent chances though.

The 2 he missed from through balls from Jack don't bother me that much, the one i didn't like was when he broke through and tried to score at the near post (it went for the corner where McGinn scored) because Watkins was completely unmarked at the back post with a tap in for his hat-trick. I'd expect anyone to play the pass there and was disappointed he took on the shot. It's only a very minor criticism after a very good debut performance but it frustrated me at the time.

I thought that at the time, but when I watched the reply Gomez had got in between and it wasnít as clear cut.

He should have roofed it though.

TBF, with Adrian in goal, if it is on target it is probably a goal.....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 05, 2020, 02:50:50 PM
He was much better than I was expecting. Hereís hoping that I might have underestimated him. Still missed two decent chances though.

The 2 he missed from through balls from Jack don't bother me that much, the one i didn't like was when he broke through and tried to score at the near post (it went for the corner where McGinn scored) because Watkins was completely unmarked at the back post with a tap in for his hat-trick. I'd expect anyone to play the pass there and was disappointed he took on the shot. It's only a very minor criticism after a very good debut performance but it frustrated me at the time.

I thought that at the time, but when I watched the reply Gomez had got in between and it wasnít as clear cut.

He should have roofed it though.

Yeah maybe, as I say it's the only one of the missed chances that I was really annoyed about, didn't matter a minute later though because we scored from the corner anyway.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2020, 03:12:17 PM
Played more like a number 10 last night than as a number 8.

Yeah, but can also see him dropping a bit deeper in some games and playing more as a central midfield player. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: WarszaVillan on October 05, 2020, 03:16:45 PM
There's a lot of flexibility in that midfield - all three of them can play as an 8 or 10 and interchange with one another
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 03:42:04 PM
There's a lot of flexibility in that midfield - all three of them can play as an 8 or 10 and interchange with one another

4 really, Good Doug could play further forward, he's got the tools.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 05, 2020, 04:02:33 PM
Was a fabulous debut and looked like he knew our players for years. Could not believe the dynamic and dynamism he brought to the shape of our team. His threat going forward totally confused them and allowed their shape to be pulled to pieces

This is going to be a great signing - fuck me i hope we have agreed a deal to buy
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2020, 06:06:06 PM
Was a fabulous debut and looked like he knew our players for years. Could not believe the dynamic and dynamism he brought to the shape of our team. His threat going forward totally confused them and allowed their shape to be pulled to pieces

This is going to be a great signing - fuck me i hope we have agreed a deal to buy

If it carries on like this he won't want to go back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 17, 2020, 11:17:48 PM
Jack Grealish bombarded Ross Barkley for over three weeks with calls and messages convincing him to join Aston Villa. [@JPercyTelegraph]
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2020, 11:47:49 PM
Dolly got done tapping-up Beattie for less. Shocking behaviour from Grealish, something else to add to his misdemeanors.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 18, 2020, 01:33:15 AM
Yes! If I was England manager, I wouldn't pick JG on principle!

Oh, hang on...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 18, 2020, 09:22:18 PM
Loving his influence. He didnít train all week but played so well again. Adds immense energy and goals too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Steve67 on October 18, 2020, 10:09:31 PM
My stream kept going and from what I saw, he was a bit quiet at times but then he comes up with a burst from midfield in the 91st minute and smashes one in the corner.  Brilliant goal and he seems to be liking his time here.  Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: adrenachrome on October 18, 2020, 10:12:53 PM
He adds an extra dimension to our play, and takes some pressure off Jack. Great acquisition.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: darren woolley on October 18, 2020, 10:22:06 PM
Brilliant goal and two goals in two games couldn't ask for more from Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 18, 2020, 10:29:28 PM
He has been excellent.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 18, 2020, 10:31:50 PM
Loving his influence. He didnít train all week but played so well again. Adds immense energy and goals too.

I liked the celebration after the goal with the physio who had got him fit. V thoughtful
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 18, 2020, 10:55:59 PM
I already fear we cannot afford him.

long may it continue....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 18, 2020, 10:57:11 PM
I already fear we cannot afford him.

long may it continue....


Piece of piss with the CL money next season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on October 18, 2020, 11:10:01 PM
His decision making is poor. He should have passed.....

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Steve67 on October 18, 2020, 11:12:26 PM
His decision making is poor. He should have passed.....



Yeah, greedy fucker.  Fancy shooting from there!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 18, 2020, 11:12:46 PM
I already fear we cannot afford him.

long may it continue....


Cannot afford him? Did you forget who owns us? And heís not suddenly an £80m player. Heís a reserve at Chelsea. Heíll cost £40m tops. Thatís the level of player we will be buying next season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: AV82EC on October 18, 2020, 11:35:38 PM
I already fear we cannot afford him.

long may it continue....


Cannot afford him? Did you forget who owns us? And heís not suddenly an £80m player. Heís a reserve at Chelsea. Heíll cost £40m tops. Thatís the level of player we will be buying next season.

Never mind next season, get him in January.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on October 18, 2020, 11:57:42 PM
As he was only 50/50 before the game started he should have been substituted  long before he took that punt at goal. Smith is useless when it comes to subbing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 19, 2020, 09:28:50 AM
As others have said he takes pressure off Jack and offers another attacking option. Best of all heís fitted in seamlessly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2020, 09:52:53 AM
My Everton supporting bezzie sent me a text last night "Coming runners up to a Ross Barkley inspired Villa would be the most Everton thing ever!"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dr Butler on October 19, 2020, 10:30:40 AM
My Everton supporting bezzie sent me a text last night "Coming runners up to a Ross Barkley inspired Villa would be the most Everton thing ever!"

like this :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 19, 2020, 11:43:05 AM
I thought he was a brilliant player while at Everton. Then Mr Average when with Chelsea. Itís clear he needs plenty of game time, a squad rotation system doesnít suit him at all. His shot from outside the box is something he is always capable of and won us the game.  And the good thing is that he will improve as he gels into the team. Keep it up Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on October 19, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
I thought he was a brilliant player while at Everton. Then Mr Average when with Chelsea. Itís clear he needs plenty of game time, a squad rotation system doesnít suit him at all. His shot from outside the box is something he is always capable of and won us the game.  And the good thing is that he will improve as he gels into the team. Keep it up Ross.

Something I read yesterday which I think rings true - he needs a setup with enough solidity to allow him to stay forward as much as possible, but with enough other attacking options that he has space to move. Although reading that back, I suppose it could just describe any attacker.

Apparently nobody on either side lost the ball more often than him, but that because he's the one trying things that result in 92nd minute winners.

He's looks much better for us than I thought he would.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Villa Lew on October 19, 2020, 11:58:04 AM
Was surprised, when he said he was only 50/50 for the match, thought he was very good last night, superb strike for the goal, looks like he's gonna be one of the best signings of the season in the Prem.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on October 19, 2020, 12:00:47 PM
I thought he was a brilliant player while at Everton. Then Mr Average when with Chelsea. Itís clear he needs plenty of game time, a squad rotation system doesnít suit him at all. His shot from outside the box is something he is always capable of and won us the game.  And the good thing is that he will improve as he gels into the team. Keep it up Ross.

Something I read yesterday which I think rings true - he needs a setup with enough solidity to allow him to stay forward as much as possible, but with enough other attacking options that he has space to move. Although reading that back, I suppose it could just describe any attacker.

Apparently nobody on either side lost the ball more often than him, but that because he's the one trying things that result in 92nd minute winners.

He's looks much better for us than I thought he would.

That's why I don't like looking at passing and dispossessed stats for attacking players, players who never lose the ball in the final third are normally the ones who don't actually make things happen.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 19, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
He played his part in a good team defensive display, despite not being fully fit.  Then smacks in a worldly last minute winner.  I love him only marginally less than I do Jack.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 22, 2020, 09:25:13 PM
One of the best things about that article is it doesnít mention grealish once.  A sure sign that other players are stepping up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: WassallVillain on October 22, 2020, 10:02:48 PM
I thought he was a brilliant player while at Everton. Then Mr Average when with Chelsea. Itís clear he needs plenty of game time, a squad rotation system doesnít suit him at all. His shot from outside the box is something he is always capable of and won us the game.  And the good thing is that he will improve as he gels into the team. Keep it up Ross.

Something I read yesterday which I think rings true - he needs a setup with enough solidity to allow him to stay forward as much as possible, but with enough other attacking options that he has space to move. Although reading that back, I suppose it could just describe any attacker.

Apparently nobody on either side lost the ball more often than him, but that because he's the one trying things that result in 92nd minute winners.

He's looks much better for us than I thought he would.

That's why I don't like looking at passing and dispossessed stats for attacking players, players who never lose the ball in the final third are normally the ones who don't actually make things happen.

There was an article in The Tmes recently that highlighted the players who lost the most possession  the top three were KDB, TAA, and Bruno Fernandez. They were also the highest for goal assists. The object of the piece was to highlight the overall benefit of putting the ball at risk. You obviously need the right players to do that and I think weíre getting there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on October 22, 2020, 11:23:30 PM
One of the best things about that article is it doesnít mention grealish once.  A sure sign that other players are stepping up.

Very valid point. The understanding between him and Jack and then add SJM into the mix and it could become quite dynamic
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on October 22, 2020, 11:25:21 PM
I thought he was a brilliant player while at Everton. Then Mr Average when with Chelsea. Itís clear he needs plenty of game time, a squad rotation system doesnít suit him at all. His shot from outside the box is something he is always capable of and won us the game.  And the good thing is that he will improve as he gels into the team. Keep it up Ross.

Something I read yesterday which I think rings true - he needs a setup with enough solidity to allow him to stay forward as much as possible, but with enough other attacking options that he has space to move. Although reading that back, I suppose it could just describe any attacker.

Apparently nobody on either side lost the ball more often than him, but that because he's the one trying things that result in 92nd minute winners.

He's looks much better for us than I thought he would.

Aye, same. 

Didn't realise how quick he was either.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 24, 2020, 08:14:34 AM
Had a poor game last night, but was far from alone in that. Overall his contribution so far has been excellent.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 24, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
The midfield didnít click, SJM, Jack and Barkley, there was none of that fluidity and nothing was coming off. Iím convinced it was down to a very aggressive and direct approach Leeds played and nothing more. If either Jacks mazy run or Konsaís looped in it might have swung the other way. They were mighty impressive throughout the pitch.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 24, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
Is he carrying an injury ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2020, 12:26:38 PM
He said he was after the Leicester game. Certainly was carrying an attitude and application problem last night. A spell on the bench watching Hourihane start v Southampton might be the trick I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Attitude and application problem? Deserves a spell on the bench? Before yesterdayís game he was absolutely brilliant, scored the winner in the last game, having articles written about him about specifically what a great attitude heís got about joining us and since being at the club.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on October 24, 2020, 01:46:43 PM
He said he was after the Leicester game. Certainly was carrying an attitude and application problem last night. A spell on the bench watching Hourihane start v Southampton might be the trick I think.

What attitude and application problem was this?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 24, 2020, 01:53:50 PM
Attitude and application problem? Deserves a spell on the bench? Before yesterdayís game he was absolutely brilliant, scored the winner in the last game, having articles written about him about specifically what a great attitude heís got about joining us and since being at the club.

I was actually disappointed with his performance in Leicester game up to 91st minute. Of course it all gets forgotten with him winning the game and I'd certainly sign up for him doing that another 10 times this season but given what I've seen in the past I thought he'd be one of those midfielders who can take games by scruff of the neck (as he did v Liverpool).

Was a bit Hourihane lite yesterday v high press so hopefully that's a one off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on October 24, 2020, 02:02:09 PM
Anyone who thinks Hourihane was the answer last night didn't watch us play last year much. The game would have passed him by. Although possibly he might have punched Bamford in the face after his feigning injury and then scoring the first goal, so on the other hand ....
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 24, 2020, 02:14:39 PM
Attitude and application problem? Deserves a spell on the bench? Before yesterdayís game he was absolutely brilliant, scored the winner in the last game, having articles written about him about specifically what a great attitude heís got about joining us and since being at the club.

I was actually disappointed with his performance in Leicester game up to 91st minute. Of course it all gets forgotten with him winning the game and I'd certainly sign up for him doing that another 10 times this season but given what I've seen in the past I thought he'd be one of those midfielders who can take games by scruff of the neck (as he did v Liverpool).

Was a bit Hourihane lite yesterday v high press so hopefully that's a one off.

He also played with a now well documented injury. It likely limited what he did and reveals why he looked short on fitness in both games since Liverpool. Iíd say given that he still played in those games says something about his attitude than the contrary.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 24, 2020, 02:18:12 PM
I thought he looked laboured and made some very sloppy passes.
If a player is struggling then they should be subbed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on October 24, 2020, 07:43:45 PM
He said he was after the Leicester game. Certainly was carrying an attitude and application problem last night. A spell on the bench watching Hourihane start v Southampton might be the trick I think.

What attitude and application problem was this?

Rewatch the second goal
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on October 24, 2020, 10:00:19 PM
I donít think he is well.   He looked ill.   Rather than an injury.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: frank black on October 24, 2020, 10:26:48 PM
I thought they were all poor Friday , wouldnít see Barkley as any different.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: pelty on October 25, 2020, 01:18:26 AM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 25, 2020, 06:40:12 AM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.
I would take a fit Hourihane over a crocked Berkeley based on that performance.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 25, 2020, 06:43:08 AM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.

Really? And that something is?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: WilliamStanding on October 25, 2020, 07:21:09 AM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.

This All day.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 25, 2020, 07:21:55 AM
Well the difference could have been 3 points or 1 point when we played Leicester. I think the whole midfield didnít click Friday, but we still should have scored one or two from the chances we made.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 25, 2020, 07:35:55 AM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.

This All day.

An even bigger reason to question what Barclay has that Hourihane can only "dream about"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 26, 2020, 01:51:15 PM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.

This All day.

An even bigger reason to question what Barclay has that Hourihane can only "dream about"
You really need people to explain to you what Ross Barkley offers that Hourihane doesn't?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2020, 02:44:02 PM
Barkley has much high level as player. He's regularly started for England over last two years and started for Chelsea in champions league.

That said I'm a bit bemused how quickly Barkley seems to have become untouchable and little things like subbing him for Conor in games we're actually losing is seen now by some as covid 19 style world ending event.

Believe it or not but I'm sure we can win some games this season with Nakamba and Hourihane starting (Hourihane started our first two league wins) so they remain viable options off the bench in games that aren't going our way.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on October 26, 2020, 02:47:04 PM
Fully agreed HQ. Any player that is having a poor game, Jack included, shouldn't be immune from being hooked.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 26, 2020, 03:00:28 PM
Fully agreed HQ. Any player that is having a poor game, Jack included, shouldn't be immune from being hooked.
Of course they shouldn't and yes Barkley was poor against Leeds.  Personally I don't think Hourihane is the type of player who would have helped us wrestle back control of a game like that, but he is productive and may have produced something from a set piece..

But the difference in quality is surely as clear as day to anyone who has watched the players play and I'm surprised Abbey needs it explaining.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 26, 2020, 03:08:23 PM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.

This All day.

An even bigger reason to question what Barclay has that Hourihane can only "dream about"

Pace.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 26, 2020, 03:36:10 PM
It's interesting that the poster who made the claim that Barkley has something that Hourihane could only dream of, didn't respond.
And just to put your mind at ease Chrisw1 I don't need it explaining.
The questions were posed to see what the responses would be and PeterWithe was  right when he said "pace". Beyond that nothing.
I'm with SoccerHQ on this. Conor has his qualities and weaknesses as does Barkley (clearly defending, tracking back, tackling are not amongst his strengths along with the occasional misplaced pass.. see Leeds last Sunday).
I would not want any other team's loan cast-off to be seen as someone who is untouchable and can't be replaced not least to send him a message that below par performances won't be tolerated (besides the obvious of subbing to rescue games).
We've been there and had untouchable players before and look what happened to us in 2016.
I personally don't care what Barkley has done previously for Everton, Chelsea and England. It's what he does for Aston Villa that concerns me and whilst I've been pleased with his goal contributions so far, other aspects of his game has left me wondering. Still it's early days and he has a whole season to show what he can do.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 26, 2020, 04:14:36 PM
My biggest concern is his fitness. I just hope we have not signed a player that has recuring injury problems.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 26, 2020, 08:25:48 PM
Of course he shouldn't be untouchable.

But the only thing you think he has above Hourihane is pace?  What about strength, ball control, dribbling ability, link up play, physicality, ability to control a game, ability to break with the ball...

Frankly the only thing Conor matches him on is set pieces.  You could argue passing ability, but when under pressure in open play Barkleys passing and link up is also better.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on October 26, 2020, 08:49:05 PM
If you read my post correctly I didn't say that pace was the only thing that Barclay had over Hourihane. I pointed out that pace was the only thing offered on this thread that hourihane could only "dream of" having. That is until your most recent post when you offered a little more. Good for you.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on October 26, 2020, 09:39:21 PM
My biggest concern is his fitness. I just hope we have not signed a player that has recuring injury problems.

They don't normally play 2 games back to back when we've previously signed injury prone players.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 26, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
Barkley had a poor game last night, but it would be foolish to sit him. He offers something that Hourihane could only dream about... and I am not knocking Hourihane; but the gap between the two is significant.

This All day.

An even bigger reason to question what Barclay has that Hourihane can only "dream about"

Pace.
Power.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2020, 10:41:51 PM
Fully agreed HQ. Any player that is having a poor game, Jack included, shouldn't be immune from being hooked.

Nah Jack is in the stay on at all costs select group and rightly so.

It's like Spurs tonight at Burnley 0-0 with 20 minutes left. No chance whatsoever they take off either Son or Kane unless they're injured and surprise surprise they combine for the winner 5 minutes later.

Dele Alli however was an untouchable starter not so long ago and now he can't even make their bench.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
Another point is we need to keep the squad players motivated and believing they're only a goal away from coming on to change things.

Just leave likes of Hourihane on the bench without coming on every week will just decrease the desire and then these types become harder to move on.

Reminds me of us signing Habib Beye who'd won POTY at Newcastle and was a perfectly capable premier league FB. Played a few games and looked o.k but then hardly played for a year and then we couldn't shift given the wages he was on.

AEM is a great example of someone who will spend time on bench but will get sub minutes and then come in for a start or two and not let us down so I think there should be a bit more trust.

A year ago Luiz wasn't seen as good enough for our 11 but we kept giving him minutes and amazing improvement in last six months so now he's rightly undroppable.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 27, 2020, 06:45:28 AM
My biggest concern is his fitness. I just hope we have not signed a player that has recuring injury problems.

They don't normally play 2 games back to back when we've previously signed injury prone players.
great against Liverpool, admitted he only just made it against Leicester and looked very leggy against Leeds.
How many consecutive starts did he make for Chelsea?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on October 27, 2020, 05:01:59 PM
My biggest concern is his fitness. I just hope we have not signed a player that has recuring injury problems.

They don't normally play 2 games back to back when we've previously signed injury prone players.
great against Liverpool, admitted he only just made it against Leicester and looked very leggy against Leeds.
How many consecutive starts did he make for Chelsea?
It's more likely a lack of minutes in his legs than any indication of being prone to injury.  I have been largely impressed so far and fingers crossed his partnership with Jack is allowed to grow for the next few seasons...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 27, 2020, 06:59:59 PM
My biggest concern is his fitness. I just hope we have not signed a player that has recuring injury problems.
Iím not sure how you have come to the conclusion that Barkley has an injury problem. Heís had no serious injuries or ever been a player who has had many knocks through his career has he? Iím sure at Chelsea it was more a case of not fitting in more than anything else.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 27, 2020, 07:06:17 PM
He had hamstring problems in 17/18 and missed most of the season, other than that it's been pretty standard footballer knocks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 27, 2020, 08:15:09 PM
So I guess he just needs to get up to the same levels as match fitness as the rest of the squad, which the best way is game time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 27, 2020, 08:19:59 PM
from world beater to write-off in one defeat
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 27, 2020, 08:31:12 PM
from world beater to write-off in one defeat

Lol I was thinking the same. He had a poor game by the standards heís set and itís all over for some.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on October 27, 2020, 09:03:22 PM
Thatís gone through my head too! He didnít look at the races against Leeds, but he wasnít the only one. Jack by his standards wasnít great, SJM was well below par too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The_ads on October 28, 2020, 08:38:07 AM
Last few pages sums up Aston Villa last 10 years and probably modern football in general.  Weíre so quick to write people off - weíre lucky to have someone of Ross Barkleys ability. The call for Hourihane to replace him already is laughable
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2020, 09:06:50 AM
Last few pages sums up Aston Villa last 10 years and probably modern football in general.  Weíre so quick to write people off - weíre lucky to have someone of Ross Barkleys ability. The call for Hourihane to replace him already is laughable

Has anybody written him off? Or have a couple of people merely had the nerve to suggest that if heís not having a great game maybe he could be subbed?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ROBBO on October 28, 2020, 09:16:07 AM
I don't think any player should be immune from being dragged but only if you have a player on the bench that could make a difference.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2020, 09:20:53 AM
Last few pages sums up Aston Villa last 10 years and probably modern football in general.  Weíre so quick to write people off - weíre lucky to have someone of Ross Barkleys ability. The call for Hourihane to replace him already is laughable

For me, it's more that some people massively over-react after a defeat.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 28, 2020, 09:39:06 AM
I think people look at the reasons for the defeat.
For me the performance of Barkley and Mings were significant.
Itís a valid discussion point.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2020, 10:06:54 AM
Last few pages sums up Aston Villa last 10 years and probably modern football in general.  Weíre so quick to write people off - weíre lucky to have someone of Ross Barkleys ability. The call for Hourihane to replace him already is laughable

For me, it's more that some people massively over-react after a defeat.

I don't think that happened after the Leeds game did it?  It all seemed remarkably circumspect to me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on October 28, 2020, 10:19:52 AM
Last few pages sums up Aston Villa last 10 years and probably modern football in general.  Weíre so quick to write people off - weíre lucky to have someone of Ross Barkleys ability. The call for Hourihane to replace him already is laughable

For me, it's more that some people massively over-react after a defeat.

I don't think that happened after the Leeds game did it?  It all seemed remarkably circumspect to me.

I think some people did. It has been known on here after a defeat.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on October 28, 2020, 10:22:29 AM
Well, it is a discussion board after all. It would be a bit boring if everybody agreed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: AndyB6 on October 28, 2020, 10:29:02 AM
I'm pretty worried about how a newly promoted team ripped us a new one and how we get on in our next few games. Hopefully it was just a one off!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Damo70 on October 28, 2020, 10:33:44 AM
I'm pretty worried about how a newly promoted team ripped us a new one and how we get on in our next few games. Hopefully it was just a one off!

We ripped Liverpool a new one, Leeds ripped us a new one. It has been that kind of season in general in the Premier League so far. Personally I have been impressed with Barkley, particularly how he links up with Grealish.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on October 28, 2020, 11:03:11 AM
Leeds may be a newly promoted team but you would have to be pretty blind to say that's all they are or to the group in with Albion and Fulham. Bielsa is a brilliant coach and he's doing a great job with them. They've caused everybody they've played huge problems. They scored 3 at Liverpool and they drew with Man City in a game where the score could have been anything. Unfortunately we allowed ourselves to get bullied but we could also have scored a couple of times before they did and at that point, it's a different game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on October 28, 2020, 03:56:27 PM
How's RB's fitness? - any comments from the club?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on October 28, 2020, 05:05:04 PM
I think people look at the reasons for the defeat.
For me the performance of Barkley and Mings were significant.
Itís a valid discussion point.
True but they werenít the only ones who were poor. The entire midfield were equally poor particularly McGinn and IMO only Konsa came out of the game with any credit at all. Barkley is significantly better than any current replacement
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: in exile on October 29, 2020, 09:02:12 AM
Well, it is a discussion board after all. It would be a bit boring if everybody agreed.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: bjfoster on November 01, 2020, 02:39:02 PM
Thought he was crap again today.

Second time in two games that heís given the ball away and theyíve waltzed it past our midfield for their striker to put in the net.

At what point does he get dropped and Conor put back in the side?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 02:40:59 PM
Last few pages sums up Aston Villa last 10 years and probably modern football in general.  Weíre so quick to write people off - weíre lucky to have someone of Ross Barkleys ability. The call for Hourihane to replace him already is laughable

For me, it's more that some people massively over-react after a defeat.

Are we allowed to over-react yet?

Does seem already a player we want to leave on the pitch at all costs but he's miles away from that status. Can only hope better for next week.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 01, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
Barkley having a quiet game seems to have improved Houriahne's ability.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on November 01, 2020, 02:48:09 PM
I donít think he looks well.   
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on November 01, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
Very poor last two games and directly responsible for goals conceded in each.

We canít afford to have him and McGinn being passengers in midfield.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2020, 02:51:22 PM
Jury still out for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 01, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
As I said in the match thread the last 2 games have been the player I was worried we were getting who has very little impact on the game for long periods. We've had 2 games of Everton era Barkley and 2 games of Chelsea era Barkley, I hope he gets back to the Everton version quickly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 03:17:05 PM
I donít think he looks well.

Needs to tone down the spray tan. No chance of sweat knocking it off anyway. An absolute joke again today. Shameful.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on November 01, 2020, 03:23:43 PM
Shock,horror
Decent footballer turns to shit shortly after donning Aston Villa Shirt..........
File under "Villa screwing up the  to opportunity to go top of the League at home against opposition we should be at least drawing with"
It appears to be written in the stars ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on November 01, 2020, 03:25:02 PM
I donít think he looks well.

Needs to tone down the spray tan.

You know he's mixed race, yeah?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 01, 2020, 03:30:41 PM
I donít think he looks well.

Needs to tone down the spray tan.

You know he's mixed race, yeah?

LOL I was wondering who was going to point that out. Iíve seen his skin tone mentioned on here before. His old man is Nigerian.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 01, 2020, 03:32:38 PM
Wouldn't play him at Arsenal. They are not great by any means but we need to compete in midfield there for sure. Cannot afford any passengers and he's been a luxury for the last 2 games.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 01, 2020, 03:35:31 PM
It depends on McGinn - if he stops bothering to do his defensive work then Barkley isnít going to work.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 03:52:46 PM
Wouldn't play him at Arsenal. They are not great by any means but we need to compete in midfield there for sure. Cannot afford any passengers and he's been a luxury for the last 2 games.

I'd actually keep him in v Arsenal. They'll push forward and leave gaps between midfield and defence so think he can exploit that space if we pass the bal quickly enough.

Would seriously think about putting Nakamba in for McGinn though. AEM for Cash is another change I expect.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on November 01, 2020, 04:03:37 PM
I agree Elmo offer more than Cash. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 01, 2020, 04:06:02 PM
I donít think he looks well.

Needs to tone down the spray tan.

You know he's mixed race, yeah?

Cheers !
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 01, 2020, 05:16:55 PM
Wouldn't play him at Arsenal. They are not great by any means but we need to compete in midfield there for sure. Cannot afford any passengers and he's been a luxury for the last 2 games.

I'd actually keep him in v Arsenal. They'll push forward and leave gaps between midfield and defence so think he can exploit that space if we pass the bal quickly enough.

Would seriously think about putting Nakamba in for McGinn though. AEM for Cash is another change I expect.

I agree
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on November 01, 2020, 08:42:28 PM
Can clubs be penalised by the parent club if their loanee doesn't play ? Seems a shitty thing to write into a contract - if we're already taking on his wages and a loan fee (did someone on here say it was £7m?), surely we can do with him what we want. Including dropping/hooking him if he isn't at the races.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2020, 09:26:35 PM
Can clubs be penalised by the parent club if their loanee doesn't play ? Seems a shitty thing to write into a contract - if we're already taking on his wages and a loan fee (did someone on here say it was £7m?), surely we can do with him what we want. Including dropping/hooking him if he isn't at the races.

It's a regular thing with young players. Think Chelsea do it with their youngsters, club that takes them on gets fined if the player dosen't start. Liverpool also apparently did it when Brewster went to Swansea.

As you say given the big loan fee and wages we've taken on for the season you'd like to think we've avoided all of that nonsense.

I don't really get why he's unsubable so far. Spurs took off Son tonight with 10 minutes left on a tight game they were winning so I dunno just keeping the regular 11 on the pitch at all costs just feels to me like we're really going to hit the wall come February or March as in the MON seasons.

Hopefully we've got enough points in the bank by then for any poor run not to hurt too much.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 01, 2020, 10:14:32 PM
Can clubs be penalised by the parent club if their loanee doesn't play ? Seems a shitty thing to write into a contract - if we're already taking on his wages and a loan fee (did someone on here say it was £7m?), surely we can do with him what we want. Including dropping/hooking him if he isn't at the races.

It's a regular thing with young players. Think Chelsea do it with their youngsters, club that takes them on gets fined if the player dosen't start. Liverpool also apparently did it when Brewster went to Swansea.

As you say given the big loan fee and wages we've taken on for the season you'd like to think we've avoided all of that nonsense.

I don't really get why he's unsubable so far. Spurs took off Son tonight with 10 minutes left on a tight game they were winning so I dunno just keeping the regular 11 on the pitch at all costs just feels to me like we're really going to hit the wall come February or March as in the MON seasons.

Hopefully we've got enough points in the bank by then for any poor run not to hurt too much.

Regarding the fines thing, I can't believe it'd be a blanket policy wherein they have to play every minute of every game. I don't think it was Brewster that was an issue, he started 19 games for Swansea in half a season. Unlike Kent who went to Bristol City, he only ended up starting half a dozen games for them.

I'd imagine there'll be clauses included that involve percentages of games, but I'd be surprised if those didn't in some way correlate to how much of the wage the parent club still stump up for.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 02, 2020, 01:07:29 AM
All seems a bit cloak and dagger with what I can find online but from unlikely source of a Millwall website this is what Neil Harris said when he was their manager:

https://www.newsatden.co.uk/71986-millwall-boss-on-difficulty-of-premier-league-loans-but-why-he-doesnt-rule-it-out/
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 02, 2020, 07:14:40 AM
McGinn was more at fault than Barkley yesterday.  Like someone said the freedom for Barkley to go up front is heavily dependent on McGinn doing his defensive job.  Thought he was crap today.  On Barkley though didnít Everton fans say he was a one in five performer when we signed him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 03, 2020, 07:20:59 AM
Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2020, 08:58:14 AM
Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

People can discuss the fact that he hasn't played at all well in the last two games without "giving up" on him, surely?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 03, 2020, 01:13:37 PM
Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

People can discuss the fact that he hasn't played at all well in the last two games without "giving up" on him, surely?

Yes but there are calls for him to be dropped. He's been a big part of the good start to the season, and yet people want him out of the team after a couple of bad results. See also Cash, Mings, McGinn and people are suggesting Watkins is anonymous too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 03, 2020, 01:26:57 PM
Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

People can discuss the fact that he hasn't played at all well in the last two games without "giving up" on him, surely?

Yes but there are calls for him to be dropped. He's been a big part of the good start to the season, and yet people want him out of the team after a couple of bad results. See also Cash, Mings, McGinn and people are suggesting Watkins is anonymous too.

Getting dropped and giving up on a player are two different things entirely. The only player on our books that the forum (and also the club) has given up on is Lansbury.  Getting dropped is no harm, it happens most players at some stage for various reasons unless MON is the manager.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 03, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
Jesus wept, we don't half give up on folk quickly.

People can discuss the fact that he hasn't played at all well in the last two games without "giving up" on him, surely?

Yes but there are calls for him to be dropped. He's been a big part of the good start to the season, and yet people want him out of the team after a couple of bad results. See also Cash, Mings, McGinn and people are suggesting Watkins is anonymous too.

Getting dropped and giving up on a player are two different things entirely. The only player on our books that the forum (and also the club) has given up on is Lansbury.  Getting dropped is no harm, it happens most players at some stage for various reasons unless MON is the manager.

Resting/dropping all them may be a problem in itself
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LukeJames on November 08, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
Fucking superb!

He's either 9/10 or 3/10, If he can turn the 3's into 6's or 7's he's a £50m player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2020, 09:23:12 PM
Fucking superb!

He's either 9/10 or 3/10, If he can turn the 3's into 6's or 7's he's a £50m player.

Andy Townsend said the same tonight on commentary. Brilliant assist for the second goal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on November 08, 2020, 09:32:42 PM
Great game tonight. Heís better off in the team than the bench as when heís in form like this heís bloody brilliant.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 08, 2020, 09:50:17 PM
He was another brilliant performance for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 08, 2020, 09:52:23 PM
Yep, Smith needs to braver with hooking him in his 3/10 performances because I think we're just going to have to accept that he'll have bad games.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on November 08, 2020, 09:53:44 PM
I still say he was ill v Leeds and Southampton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 08, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
Tremendous.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on November 08, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
He does nothing defensively, but how he links up with Jack is brilliant.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 08, 2020, 10:31:37 PM
If he did all the defensive work on top of what he offers attack wise, and did it every game, he wouldn't be on loan to us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 08, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
What an assist for the second. Tremendous.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 08, 2020, 10:46:30 PM
I noticed him a couple of times go to track back onto the advancing Arsenal midfield, but he stopped himself. I reckon he was under instruction to stay up top near Watkins, and it's hard to argue that that didn't pay a handsome dividend. Similarly, both Grealish and Trezeguet rarely got dragged deeper than Targett or Cash. Stick to the game plan and trust your teammates.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 08, 2020, 10:55:54 PM
If he did all the defensive work on top of what he offers attack wise, and did it every game, he wouldn't be on loan to us.

While that might be true, it still shouldnt stop Barkley putting more of a shift in without the ball. At times when Grealish is caught up the pitch it shouldn't be beyond him to cover back. Watkins at times sprinted back to help us out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: nigel on November 09, 2020, 07:25:37 AM
If we can, I think we should try and make it a permanent move in January before Chelsea decide he can do a job for them
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: frank black on November 09, 2020, 07:31:29 AM
If we can, I think we should try and make it a permanent move in January before Chelsea decide he can do a job for them

Iíd rather we spend the money elsewhere January and assess Barkleyís situation in the summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on November 09, 2020, 07:35:14 AM
If he did all the defensive work on top of what he offers attack wise, and did it every game, he wouldn't be on loan to us.

While that might be true, it still shouldnt stop Barkley putting more of a shift in without the ball. At times when Grealish is caught up the pitch it shouldn't be beyond him to cover back. Watkins at times sprinted back to help us out.

I thought he was spent on 70 minutes. A couple of times he was trotting around and seemingly unable to run properly. I wouldíve taken him off, but then he set up the second goal!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simboy on November 09, 2020, 08:05:17 AM
If we can, I think we should try and make it a permanent move in January before Chelsea decide he can do a job for them


I donít think Chelsea will want him back. Their squad is full of midfielders who heíd struggle to get past, Mount, Pulisic, Havertz, Ziyech. They have the strongest midfield in the competition, arguably, which is why we have got Barkley.

More of a worry is that he attracts the attention of another ďtop sixĒ club, Man United or the Arse for example and we get into a bidding war. Clearly Yanited are in turmoil, with Olly gone Iíd imagine before the end of the season. If a new manager goes in and is a big fan of Barkley then, who knows.

Will Smith (as heís promised)  get him in the Euro squad? If so then I think he will stay.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave P on November 09, 2020, 09:55:14 AM
Will Smith (as heís promised)  get him in the Euro squad? If so then I think he will stay.

He certainly is our fresh prince.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on November 09, 2020, 10:24:46 AM
Will Smith (as heís promised)  get him in the Euro squad? If so then I think he will stay.

He certainly is our fresh prince.

He is Legend!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on November 09, 2020, 10:49:54 AM
Just as well he wasn't dropped, he's adding another dimension.

It's great to see him and Grealish just enjoying playing together. It's early days but this could be really interesting to watch develop.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 12:03:57 PM
The build up to the first goal was pure showboating filth.  They took the piss out of the Arsenal defence, pure and simple.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 09, 2020, 12:53:51 PM
I noticed him a couple of times go to track back onto the advancing Arsenal midfield, but he stopped himself. I reckon he was under instruction to stay up top near Watkins, and it's hard to argue that that didn't pay a handsome dividend. Similarly, both Grealish and Trezeguet rarely got dragged deeper than Targett or Cash. Stick to the game plan and trust your teammates.
I think this is exactly the point. He's a withdrawn striker, and he's very effective at it when the opposition let him be.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simboy on November 09, 2020, 12:56:22 PM
Will Smith (as heís promised)  get him in the Euro squad? If so then I think he will stay.

He certainly is our fresh prince.

He is Legend!


Good to see heís a man in black ... ink.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 09, 2020, 01:28:25 PM
Begining to see what we have got in Barkley. He only has a forward gear it seems and to an extent other players have got to make up for this. However he has a lot of talent and to get the most out of him Smith is giving him liscence to roam and hurt the opposition offensively. Great performance last night.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 09, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
Begining to see what we have got in Barkley. He only has a forward gear it seems and to an extent other players have got to make up for this. However he has a lot of talent and to get the most out of him Smith is giving him liscence to roam and hurt the opposition offensively. Great performance last night.


I think I agree. Games where we can get control he'll be a key player and will turns draws into wins. When we're struggling to get control in the midfield he becomes a luxury we can't carry.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on November 09, 2020, 07:00:07 PM
He offers something that Hourihane certainly can't...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 09, 2020, 07:00:42 PM
The biggest problem with Ross is....he pulls his socks over his knees.  No, no, no and indeed, no.  Sort it out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on November 09, 2020, 09:40:09 PM
Maybe he's worried they're too knobbly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on November 09, 2020, 09:58:18 PM
Begining to see what we have got in Barkley. He only has a forward gear it seems and to an extent other players have got to make up for this. However he has a lot of talent and to get the most out of him Smith is giving him liscence to roam and hurt the opposition offensively. Great performance last night.


I think I agree. Games where we can get control he'll be a key player and will turns draws into wins. When we're struggling to get control in the midfield he becomes a luxury we can't carry.
When I saw him first play for England,I was very critical of his non tracking back but he's still more mobile and a better tackler than Hotlips.Playing SJM deeper is the answer in the way that Saints use Ward-Prowse and Romeu.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Steve67 on November 09, 2020, 10:06:17 PM
What sort of monetary value are we putting on Ross if we try to sign him?  Is he likely to be available?  Would you sign him, if so?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: FatSam on November 10, 2020, 12:10:03 AM
Will Smith (as heís promised)  get him in the Euro squad? If so then I think he will stay.
He certainly is our fresh prince.
He is Legend!
Good to see heís a man in black ... ink.
There might be a hitch if heís seen as one of the bad boys, but then his competitors might be seen as the bad boys 2.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 10, 2020, 08:59:42 AM
The biggest problem with Ross is....he pulls his socks over his knees.  No, no, no and indeed, no.  Sort it out.

Even John Terry managed to ingratiate himself with us despite the same faux pas. Time heals.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on November 10, 2020, 09:21:04 AM
The biggest problem with Ross is....he pulls his socks over his knees.  No, no, no and indeed, no.  Sort it out.

Even John Terry managed to ingratiate himself with us despite the same faux pas. Time heals.
I'm glad it's not just me. For some reason I get really pissed off with players who pull their socks over their knees. And from memory I think JT was the first in the Premier league do this affront to football. Time is a great healer but not on this one for me. Anyhow I hope our people are already working on a permanent deal for Barkley. He has helped to take our midfield to another level. And Jack's game has got even better as he seems to be getting a little less attention from the opposition.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Jon Crofts on November 10, 2020, 09:25:42 AM
The biggest problem with Ross is....he pulls his socks over his knees.  No, no, no and indeed, no.  Sort it out.

Even John Terry managed to ingratiate himself with us despite the same faux pas. Time heals.
I'm glad it's not just me. For some reason I get really pissed off with players who pull their socks over their knees. And from memory I think JT was the first in the Premier league do this affront to football. Time is a great healer but not on this one for me. Anyhow I hope our people are already working on a permanent deal for Barkley. He has helped to take our midfield to another level. And Jack's game has got even better as he seems to be getting a little less attention from the opposition.

Very noticeable re the last point, that said we've yet to come up against the real cloggers like your Burnley's or Albion's.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 10, 2020, 09:31:55 AM
The biggest problem with Ross is....he pulls his socks over his knees.  No, no, no and indeed, no.  Sort it out.

Even John Terry managed to ingratiate himself with us despite the same faux pas. Time heals.

Not all of us!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on November 10, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
To get the best out of him, I think he's got to play as a 10 and have McGinn and Luiz sitting in front of the defence. Then if he does play that role, the front 4 can swap positions.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on November 10, 2020, 08:17:57 PM
To get the best out of him, I think he's got to play as a 10 and have McGinn and Luiz sitting in front of the defence. Then if he does play that role, the front 4 can swap positions.
I have a sum total of zero problems with that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 10, 2020, 10:00:40 PM
To get the best out of him, I think he's got to play as a 10 and have McGinn and Luiz sitting in front of the defence. Then if he does play that role, the front 4 can swap positions.
I think he has to play where he played last night, 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and Leicester. There are risks when we dont have the ball as mentioned.

If you look at our forward play, Olllie was often pulling out wide and RB was in the 9 position. RB is given liscence to roam and find pockets of space in wide, deep or advanced positions. That is not a 10 in my understanding of the role.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 10, 2020, 10:20:32 PM
To get the best out of him, I think he's got to play as a 10 and have McGinn and Luiz sitting in front of the defence. Then if he does play that role, the front 4 can swap positions.

McGinn next to Luiz is so much better for our shape. But not sure that will be McGinns best position in the medium/long term. It's not often a holding midfielder has the ball in the opposition net within 45 mins away from home...He would prefer to be further forward I'm sure.

Equally as important was the shift Trez put in without the ball on the right. I'm struggling to see how Traore gets in. Traore/Barkley/Grealish will leaves us unbalanced no matter what I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on November 11, 2020, 11:32:21 AM
It's ok for McGinn to make breaks forward as long as other players have the intelligence to fill-in. Mings likes to make runs forward which makes me nervous but it's the same principle. Someone has to slot in. The quality and tactics of the opposition is also relevant. Sometimes McGinn (and Luiz) may be allowed a bit more freedom because of the quality/tactics of the opponent.

Traore's got a challenge on his hands for sure. Well done for Trez for rising to the challenge of seeing a big money signing made who can play the same position.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 11, 2020, 10:30:45 PM
It's ok for McGinn to make breaks forward as long as other players have the intelligence to fill-in. Mings likes to make runs forward which makes me nervous but it's the same principle. Someone has to slot in. The quality and tactics of the opposition is also relevant. Sometimes McGinn (and Luiz) may be allowed a bit more freedom because of the quality/tactics of the opponent.

Traore's got a challenge on his hands for sure. Well done for Trez for rising to the challenge of seeing a big money signing made who can play the same position.

Mings shouldn't be making many runs, hasn't the technical ability. Ridiculous effort at Arsenal again that nearly cost us in the second half. It might be a forlorn hope but I really wish he focused more on the defending side which needs enough improvement as is....not his ball playing inability

Agreed that if McGinn breaks forward then someone should be covering but that appears like it won't be Barkley too often. I think that's going to be a problem for us. Grealish and Watkins don't have an issue in getting back so I'm not sure why Barkley seems to be exempt.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2020, 09:08:43 AM
If McGinn breaks forward then Luiz sits, and vice versa.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2020, 09:16:25 AM
It's ok for McGinn to make breaks forward as long as other players have the intelligence to fill-in. Mings likes to make runs forward which makes me nervous but it's the same principle. Someone has to slot in. The quality and tactics of the opposition is also relevant. Sometimes McGinn (and Luiz) may be allowed a bit more freedom because of the quality/tactics of the opponent.

Traore's got a challenge on his hands for sure. Well done for Trez for rising to the challenge of seeing a big money signing made who can play the same position.

Mings shouldn't be making many runs, hasn't the technical ability. Ridiculous effort at Arsenal again that nearly cost us in the second half. It might be a forlorn hope but I really wish he focused more on the defending side which needs enough improvement as is....not his ball playing inability

Agreed that if McGinn breaks forward then someone should be covering but that appears like it won't be Barkley too often. I think that's going to be a problem for us. Grealish and Watkins don't have an issue in getting back so I'm not sure why Barkley seems to be exempt.
i think you have to accept that cetain players are not very good at certain things, what he brings to the team is from getting on to the ball in attacking situations, to do that he can not be one of the ones filling in and chasing down. as someone said, in games where we need gaps plugging and closing down space then Barkley is not your man for that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 12, 2020, 09:47:18 AM
This is fine in principle but needs to be applied to all players in the team/squad. Some players are expected to be without fault or weaknesses, but the tolerance levels for them are very low when they fall short. Allowances can't just be made for certain individuals and not others, not if we want a successful "team"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 12, 2020, 10:15:07 AM
I don't expect Barkley to thunder up and down all day because it's not nor ever has been his style of play, and it's not what he's in the team to do. To denigrate Mings for getting forward is equally nonsensical to me as he's a bloke we brought in less than two years ago to, amongst other things, provide cover and competition at left back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2020, 11:14:11 AM
This is fine in principle but needs to be applied to all players in the team/squad. Some players are expected to be without fault or weaknesses, but the tolerance levels for them are very low when they fall short. Allowances can't just be made for certain individuals and not others, not if we want a successful "team"
I was skeptical of getting Barkley in because of these issues, now I understand what he is and does its about using him appropriately.
I guess some think that Hourihane is criticised for his contribution without the ball which is also valid, the decision is who gives more to the team overall and right now its Barkley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 12, 2020, 11:21:13 AM
As I said earlier I think the key thing with Barkley is to know when it's not the right game for him. Either by not starting him or by being willing to replace him. If we can carry him he adds something to us going forward but when teams are pressing us and we're struggling to get control of the midfield we might need to put nakamba or Hourihane in there to give us a bit more structure.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 12, 2020, 11:27:43 AM
Hourihane is made of fog! ©Risso
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2020, 11:32:56 AM
An ineffective Barkley is every bit as bad as an ineffective Hourihane.  Barkley at his best is a considerable upgrade on Conor though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 12, 2020, 11:46:10 AM
Hourihane will play deeper and occupy space (making us harder to play through) and is better on set pieces so a game like Southampton, for example, might have gone better with him in there for the first half and Barkley coming on against tired legs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 12, 2020, 12:02:13 PM
I don't quite get the comparison between the 2 (Ross and Conor), because although it appeared Barkley was brought in as a midfielder, it appears his best role is as a second striker (playing off Ollie).
To my knowledge Conor has never played that position.
Jack is the closest we have who could play that role, but he seems to have made the wide left position of the front 3 his own, so even that comparison can't be made.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on November 12, 2020, 12:24:59 PM
What sort of monetary value are we putting on Ross if we try to sign him?  Is he likely to be available?  Would you sign him, if so?

£25m and yes definitely, assuming his form continues  Could be more if he continues to play as well for the rest of the season. He is a real upgrade on what we have
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 12, 2020, 12:50:55 PM
I don't quite get the comparison between the 2 (Ross and Conor), because although it appeared Barkley was brought in as a midfielder, it appears his best role is as a second striker (playing off Ollie).
To my knowledge Conor has never played that position.
Jack is the closest we have who could play that role, but he seems to have made the wide left position of the front 3 his own, so even that comparison can't be made.

The comparison is because 1 came into the team in place of the other. The discussion isn't about their relative abilities. It's really about the shape of the team. With Barkley you have to play 4231 because you know he's going to, as you say, play as almost a 2nd striker. With Hourihane you can play a 433 because he'll play deeper, but does also offer a threat from set pieces (not just direct free kicks, he's also our best corner taker and indirect free-kick taker, in my opinion). My point is that in some games the 4231 might not work and that's when we need to be willing to rest/replace Barkley, which we haven't done in the 2 games where he really struggled.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
An ineffective Barkley is every bit as bad as an ineffective Hourihane.  Barkley at his best is a considerable upgrade on Conor though.

Weíve seen Jack ineffective and Douglas and McGinn. I donít always get the criticism of Conor. Heís a top Championship player, a good PL player, someone who will come in and do a job as part of the squad. Heís not a player who would get into a top six aspirational side and as great as the start has been, realistically we are a season or two away from that.

So right now he fits in well with us. In a years time he will be a little further down the pecking order as we buy better again. But we are at his level in term of players we should have at the club and and he is just about at ours.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 12, 2020, 01:05:55 PM
With the way they played that day, I don't think Leeds would have noticed Hourihane was even on the pitch. It was exactly the kind of opposition performance that in the past had seen him blasted away and his head demanded.

Hourihane and Barkley are, to me anyway, exactly the same type of silky, skillful ball players that get branded as 'luxury'. Their roll is to get you something out of a game, not merely keep you in one. The only way either of them strengthen our midfield is by keeping the ball out of it. If steel's what you want, look elsewhere. Says me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 12, 2020, 01:19:08 PM
With Barkley it's all about team formation, so in that I agree with paul_e.
I didn't know much about Barkley before he came to Villa. Now I've seen him, he is best suited to playing as an extra striker (L'pool and Arsenal games are proof of that) where he doesn't have to shoulder midfield responsibilities.
If he continues to play this position the only player he could genuinely be compared with is Jack.
If he drops deeper into midfield then he can be compared with the likes of Luiz, John, Conor and Nakamba and in so doing if he plays like he did vs Leeds and Soton he will risk the same level of criticism when he makes mistakes as those players do, when they make mistakes (not necessarily from me I might add).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2020, 04:55:28 PM
With Barkley it's all about team formation, so in that I agree with paul_e.
I didn't know much about Barkley before he came to Villa. Now I've seen him, he is best suited to playing as an extra striker (L'pool and Arsenal games are proof of that) where he doesn't have to shoulder midfield responsibilities.
If he continues to play this position the only player he could genuinely be compared with is Jack.
If he drops deeper into midfield then he can be compared with the likes of Luiz, John, Conor and Nakamba and in so doing if he plays like he did vs Leeds and Soton he will risk the same level of criticism when he makes mistakes as those players do, when they make mistakes (not necessarily from me I might add).
Agreed.
There are games where we should be playing a 4-4-1-1, with Barkley behind Watkins, another MF in there alongside JG, Luiz and JMcG.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on November 12, 2020, 06:35:51 PM
An ineffective Barkley is every bit as bad as an ineffective Hourihane.  Barkley at his best is a considerable upgrade on Conor though.

Weíve seen Jack ineffective and Douglas and McGinn. I donít always get the criticism of Conor. Heís a top Championship player, a good PL player, someone who will come in and do a job as part of the squad. Heís not a player who would get into a top six aspirational side and as great as the start has been, realistically we are a season or two away from that.

So right now he fits in well with us. In a years time he will be a little further down the pecking order as we buy better again. But we are at his level in term of players we should have at the club and and he is just about at ours.

I know professional football is a ruthless game but Hourihane has been treated very harshly this season with his lack of playing minutes. Arguably he was our best midfielder against Sheff Utd but was first man off (was visibly seething coming off) when McGinn in particular was having a shocker. He got a goal and assist against Fulham in a fine display but hasn't played a single minute since. Against Leeds and Southampton, our midfield was torn apart and should have come on for any of them.  While against Liverpool and Arsenal the games were won long before the end so even a sympathy run out could have been warranted.

Not sure if there has been a fall out behind the scenes but I'm not sure why we haven't been emptying the bench more in recent games.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on November 13, 2020, 10:28:33 AM
An ineffective Barkley is every bit as bad as an ineffective Hourihane.  Barkley at his best is a considerable upgrade on Conor though.

Weíve seen Jack ineffective and Douglas and McGinn. I donít always get the criticism of Conor. Heís a top Championship player, a good PL player, someone who will come in and do a job as part of the squad. Heís not a player who would get into a top six aspirational side and as great as the start has been, realistically we are a season or two away from that.

So right now he fits in well with us. In a years time he will be a little further down the pecking order as we buy better again. But we are at his level in term of players we should have at the club and and he is just about at ours.

I know professional football is a ruthless game but Hourihane has been treated very harshly this season with his lack of playing minutes. Arguably he was our best midfielder against Sheff Utd but was first man off (was visibly seething coming off) when McGinn in particular was having a shocker. He got a goal and assist against Fulham in a fine display but hasn't played a single minute since. Against Leeds and Southampton, our midfield was torn apart and should have come on for any of them.  While against Liverpool and Arsenal the games were won long before the end so even a sympathy run out could have been warranted.

Not sure if there has been a fall out behind the scenes but I'm not sure why we haven't been emptying the bench more in recent games.

I suspect Conor will get plenty of game time in December and January - if anything we might be keeping him back now to reduce the chances of him getting injured ahead of the busiest period of the season.  Barkley is new so needs the minutes with the rest of the team (even accounting for the good start he's made with us), plus at the moment we are only really playing one game per week.  Come December the schedule ramps up a lot, so we will want players fresh and ready to come in.

Conor also seems like a brilliant professional and not the sort to upset things if he isn't getting a game.  I'm sure he will knuckle down and want to prove himself again when he gets the chance, plus he will be coming into a confident team so will have more opportunity to showcase the things he is good at.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 13, 2020, 11:05:20 AM
hologram was every bit as poor for the republic of Ireland last night as he ever is with Villa. Every pass was backwards, no tackling, useless at defending corners, and he was their best player on the night !!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on November 13, 2020, 11:20:18 AM
I wish people wouldn't be so disrepctful and call Conor 'holgram.'

He has been an incredibly important player for us and created and scored loads of goals during his time with us - including a vital goal in the play off Semis.  Whatever his limitations round the park, he has been one of our most productive players for the last 3 years.

It's true that we needed and upgrade or at least competition for him and yes Barkley is a better all round player.  But for fucks sake have some respect for a player who has played a massive part in our revival and the good times we have had over the last 3 years.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on November 13, 2020, 11:32:38 AM
I don't see the point of being negative about any of our players. What does it achieve? It maybe warranted in cases where a player is only interested in picking up a salary and doesn't care about the club but when it's a player who that can't be said about, I really don't think its clever.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on November 13, 2020, 12:00:02 PM
Some people can't resist their playground jibes against some of our professional players. What they probably don't realise it says more about them than the player(s) they're trying to belittle.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2020, 12:28:12 PM
I wish people wouldn't be so disrepctful and call Conor 'holgram.'

He has been an incredibly important player for us and created and scored loads of goals during his time with us - including a vital goal in the play off Semis.  Whatever his limitations round the park, he has been one of our most productive players for the last 3 years.

It's true that we needed and upgrade or at least competition for him and yes Barkley is a better all round player.  But for fucks sake have some respect for a player who has played a massive part in our revival and the good times we have had over the last 3 years.



yeh I don't like it either. He may not be the best player in the world and as I said a solid squad player at PL level for a team aspiring for the upper echelons of the table. For us, since he joined he has absolutely played a crucial role in our promotion, survival, our good start this season and comes across as an excellent pro and all round good person.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on November 13, 2020, 12:53:28 PM
Conor should be held up as an example to youngsters let go by clubs.  This, is what you can still achieve, pick yourselves up, source a new club, work hard and your opportunities will come.  You may never be the best player but you can prove the doubters wrong.  Conor has achieved what most of us could only have dreamed of: gaining moves to higher level clubs until finally reaching the Premier League in which he played more than a minor role in helping his club achieve that goal.  Conor, you deserve to be remembered by the Villa faithful for the right reasons; as I'm sure you will be.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on November 13, 2020, 01:47:12 PM
I wish people wouldn't be so disrepctful and call Conor 'holgram.'

He has been an incredibly important player for us and created and scored loads of goals during his time with us - including a vital goal in the play off Semis.  Whatever his limitations round the park, he has been one of our most productive players for the last 3 years.

It's true that we needed and upgrade or at least competition for him and yes Barkley is a better all round player.  But for fucks sake have some respect for a player who has played a massive part in our revival and the good times we have had over the last 3 years.


Me too, he's been an excellent signing for us and he's a fantastic pro and a great role model.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on November 13, 2020, 01:58:31 PM
Conor should be held up as an example to youngsters let go by clubs.  This, is what you can still achieve, pick yourselves up, source a new club, work hard and your opportunities will come.  You may never be the best player but you can prove the doubters wrong.  Conor has achieved what most of us could only have dreamed of: gaining moves to higher level clubs until finally reaching the Premier League in which he played more than a minor role in helping his club achieve that goal.  Conor, you deserve to be remembered by the Villa faithful for the right reasons; as I'm sure you will be.

Exactly right - he's scored at all four levels as well and made his way up the hard way through his own determination.  And for someone who apparently isn't that good, you would be hard-pressed to come up with another player with a better top 5 goals for Villa than Conor.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 13, 2020, 02:35:23 PM
Conor should be held up as an example to youngsters let go by clubs.  This, is what you can still achieve, pick yourselves up, source a new club, work hard and your opportunities will come.  You may never be the best player but you can prove the doubters wrong.  Conor has achieved what most of us could only have dreamed of: gaining moves to higher level clubs until finally reaching the Premier League in which he played more than a minor role in helping his club achieve that goal.  Conor, you deserve to be remembered by the Villa faithful for the right reasons; as I'm sure you will be.

Exactly right - he's scored at all four levels as well and made his way up the hard way through his own determination.  And for someone who apparently isn't that good, you would be hard-pressed to come up with another player with a better top 5 goals for Villa than Conor.
Gray Shaw Daley Withe Yorke Rioch...........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2020, 02:41:31 PM
I wish people wouldn't be so disrepctful and call Conor 'holgram.'

He has been an incredibly important player for us and created and scored loads of goals during his time with us - including a vital goal in the play off Semis.  Whatever his limitations round the park, he has been one of our most productive players for the last 3 years.

It's true that we needed and upgrade or at least competition for him and yes Barkley is a better all round player.  But for fucks sake have some respect for a player who has played a massive part in our revival and the good times we have had over the last 3 years.



Agreed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on November 13, 2020, 02:58:08 PM
I get some of the criticism of him.  Ideally you want a central midfielder who comes in and - if he plays well- dictates the pace of the game. Conor has a good shot on him and does weigh in with valuable assists from dead balls. But the game even in the championship can pass him by at times.

I like him, and as others said, he did as much as anyone to get us up.

I don't pan El Ghazi for the same reason, even if he frustrates the hell out of me at times. Conor is probably operating at close to his maximum ability-wise to even be an option for a Premier League side. El Ghazi has enough natural ability to be a starter for at least a top 10-12 PL club. But the focus isn't there. Yet, at least.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2020, 03:32:12 PM
I get some of the criticism of him.  Ideally you want a central midfielder who comes in and - if he plays well- dictates the pace of the game. Conor has a good shot on him and does weigh in with valuable assists from dead balls. But the game even in the championship can pass him by at times.

I like him, and as others said, he did as much as anyone to get us up.

I don't pan El Ghazi for the same reason, even if he frustrates the hell out of me at times. Conor is probably operating at close to his maximum ability-wise to even be an option for a Premier League side. El Ghazi has enough natural ability to be a starter for at least a top 10-12 PL club. But the focus isn't there. Yet, at least.

I agree about Conor.  At his best he's good enough for any side outside of the 7 or 8 clubs, but as all successful clubs do, we're moving on and steadily improving.  Not sure I agree about El Ghazi. I think he's strictly a Championship/lower Premier League level player in terms of ability, and a lack of application means he doesn't make the most of what he has got.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2020, 03:35:32 PM
I get some of the criticism of him.  Ideally you want a central midfielder who comes in and - if he plays well- dictates the pace of the game. Conor has a good shot on him and does weigh in with valuable assists from dead balls. But the game even in the championship can pass him by at times.

I like him, and as others said, he did as much as anyone to get us up.

I don't pan El Ghazi for the same reason, even if he frustrates the hell out of me at times. Conor is probably operating at close to his maximum ability-wise to even be an option for a Premier League side. El Ghazi has enough natural ability to be a starter for at least a top 10-12 PL club. But the focus isn't there. Yet, at least.

I agree about Conor.  At his best he's good enough for any side outside of the 7 or 8 clubs, but as all successful clubs do, we're moving on and steadily improving.  Not sure I agree about El Ghazi. I think he's strictly a Championship/lower Premier League level player in terms of ability, and a lack of application means he doesn't make the most of what he has got.

Yes. I hate saying any of our players are shit, but AEG is, and it's all his own doing. Conor is the opposite. He makes the most of all he's got, which sometimes isn't enough, but that's true of everyone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa for life on November 13, 2020, 03:45:58 PM
Itís all a bit distasteful to speak of players as if they were commodities, but they are well compensated and I suppose have to deal with both sides of the profession.

We are usually too quick to judge. Trezeguet was deemed surplus to requirements (thatís a nice way of putting it) by most but he has arguably been one of the best players this season. No need to mention all the other ex villa players who were cast aside too early and are currently plying their trade at other clubs, often very successfully.

I think the current upper echelons of our club are pretty decent and will treat everyone with respect and make the right judgement calls, including that of Conor.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 13, 2020, 03:57:53 PM
Hourihane isn't shit - he's just not good enough to be in our best team :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 13, 2020, 04:07:26 PM
Conor isnít shit, Ross is an upgrade, which is what teams with aspirations tend to do
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 13, 2020, 05:11:40 PM
Conor isnít shit, Ross is an upgrade, which is what teams with aspirations tend to do



He may raise his game now Ross is here but we havenít seen him play yet
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on November 13, 2020, 06:01:43 PM
I think Hourihane has something to offer because of his deadball ability, he's one of 6-7 players outside the starting 11 that I think can come in and do a job. What we need to add next is players who are genuine rotation options, either by buying top end players who push current starters down or by getting another batch of youngsters like Luiz and Konsa who will build their way up over 12-18months. The latter is cheaper and fits the club philosophy better but it higher risk, so maybe a mix of the 2. January would be a good time to add a couple of players like that though, particularly if we can keep the current form going.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: DrGonzo on November 13, 2020, 06:43:26 PM
I echo the last few comments. I appreciate the good that Hourihane has done for us, providing some incredibly important goals and assists in our promotion and first Premier League season.  Barkley just has more talent.  Far more talent.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave P on November 13, 2020, 07:09:08 PM
Conor isnít shit, Ross is an upgrade, which is what teams with aspirations tend to do



He may raise his game now Ross is here but we havenít seen him play yet

See also how Trez has improved since we signed Traore.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 13, 2020, 07:13:07 PM
BBC rumour mill saying that Chelsea will go for Rice if they can off load two senior players.  hopefully they will ask a sensible price for Barkley then.
At the moment Iíd like us to sign him, but I definitely would not pay over the going rate, say £20-25m, as he isnít yet Mings and must be signed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 13, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
Iím thankful for all Conor has done for us but as has been said we are moving onwards and upwards with hopefully each signing we make being an upgrade on what we previously had. Barkley definitely is that , his energy, pace and strength
making him a worthy addition to our midfield. It was noticeable watching England v Ireland last night that Conor couldnít hold his own against the English midfield much in the same way as he canít in the premier league. He always seems off the pace both when attacking or defending.Hopefully another couple of months of current performances will see Barkley recalled to the national team .
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 13, 2020, 10:05:43 PM
Iím thankful for all Conor has done for us but as has been said we are moving onwards and upwards with hopefully each signing we make being an upgrade on what we previously had. Barkley definitely is that , his energy, pace and strength
making him a worthy addition to our midfield. It was noticeable watching England v Ireland last night that Conor couldnít hold his own against the English midfield much in the same way as he canít in the premier league. He always seems off the pace both when attacking or defending.Hopefully another couple of months of current performances will see Barkley recalled to the national team .

If he was playing behind Ross Barkley and Jack Grealish he'd have looked better.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on November 14, 2020, 12:02:48 PM
At the end of last season I said that I wanted to see the club buying players that would replace the then current players in the team.  That has happened.  There is no disrespect to a player if they are replaced by a better player as long as the replacement plays to his ability.

Hourihane had reached his limit as a regular when we were promoted.  He is a very good dead ball player but you need to be more than that at PL level.  For a player that has had a career playing through the leagues, you cannot just add things to your game that you never had when you reach a higher level, unlike a young player that is still developing.  A PL midfield player needs to understand about covering space and tracking a player, just as much as being able to tackle/block.  He is not an all action energetic player and therefore is quite easily played around.  Having said all of that, he was a good signing by Bruce, although I did not think Bruce got the best out of him by playing him too deep at times.

What I have seen so far from Barkley is that he is an upgrade, particularly going forward.  He is new to the team and it takes time to understand how others play.  Hopefully, in time he will develop that understanding with the other players on how to cover the opposition in midfield when they are coming forward.  It is not unusual with offensive midfield players that they hit the ground running with their offensive game but the defensive game takes time to develop.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 14, 2020, 02:02:05 PM
I'm not sure we'll ever see much of a defensive side from him, although he didn't do too badly against Leicester.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 14, 2020, 02:25:20 PM
Iíve been guilty of using the hologram word occasionally, equally Iíve been full of praise for Hourihane at other times. He has been an incredibly important player in our comeback from the dire straights we were in up to and including relegation and beyond. Heís scored some really important and great goals, a dipping volley against blues a few years back and the screamer against Albion in the play off semis to get us back into the tie (I was right behind that) come to mind. I also think he was really important in keeping us up last year in the post lockdown run in, not just his performances but as an obvious leader in the team, if weíd gone down and lost grealish etc, he was the championship skipper for me.
Saying all of that, as all clubs progressing in the right direction do, weíre moving on and bringing in a better standard of player. I donít see Connor as a regular starter anymore, though I do wish heíd get the odd run out, 3-0 up at Arsenal with 10 mins to go, donít see why he wasnít brought on then, he deserves some game time. A very good servant for the club at an important period in our history.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on November 14, 2020, 04:18:36 PM
He's also got Ramsey breathing down his neck for competition for a spot whenever Luiz or McGinn aren't available.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on November 15, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
He also cost us around £2m quid, which compared to most of our fee's the last 10 years has got to be one of the best deals we've done. Like Targett he's a bit of a fans whipping boy, sometimes understandably but he's always grafted, never shirked and gives a shit. Fair play to him and I'll always keep an eye out for him should we progress further and he moves on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 21, 2020, 07:28:58 PM
So, Should we be worrying Barkley fitness?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on November 21, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
Smith seemed to think heíd be out for a few weeks now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on November 22, 2020, 06:42:17 PM
I saw Smith say he doesn't think it's too bad and that they had to assess it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 22, 2020, 10:36:14 PM
Liverpool feared the worst over Andy Robertson's hamstring injury, yet he played against Leicester tonight??
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Villafirst on November 23, 2020, 10:52:45 PM
Matt Maher from the Express & Star just mentioned that the final prognosis is still awaited, but RB is expected to miss the next 2 games.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 24, 2020, 12:59:17 AM
Yep two games out.  Expected return against Wolves.  Manure on 2nd January it is then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: darren woolley on November 24, 2020, 03:00:27 PM
I hope it isn't a long term injury.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on November 24, 2020, 05:05:05 PM
Conor isnít shit, Ross is an upgrade, which is what teams with aspirations tend to do

I wonder how good Barkley would be if like Conor he was shunted back to defensive midfield? I think it was it Bruce who first pushed Conor back to DM following a game where he'd played AM and scored twice with one of his best performances in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 24, 2020, 07:02:59 PM
I think Iíd prefer Ramsey/Hourihane to play than Traore during the interim period.
Theyíre more similar players and we looked too open versus Brighton.
 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 24, 2020, 07:08:11 PM
I think Iíd prefer Ramsey/Hourihane to play than Traore during the interim period.
Theyíre more similar players and we looked too open versus Brighton.
 
the obvious thing is to push SJM further forward.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 24, 2020, 07:33:04 PM
I think Iíd prefer Ramsey/Hourihane to play than Traore during the interim period.
Theyíre more similar players and we looked too open versus Brighton.
 
the obvious thing is to push SJM further forward.

Hmmmm.  My only reservation there is youíre moving two players to accommodate one injury.  McGinn is without doubt the (next) best in that position but I think he could benefit from more time perfecting the holding role.

In the event that Barkley does not sign permanently then McGinn is an ideal replacement.  We can then sign an A+ defensive midfielder who, typically, will be cheaper than an attacking player. Happy days.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: pelty on December 19, 2020, 08:08:26 PM
Any word on his status? Really missing him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2020, 05:10:14 PM
https://twitter.com/RBarkley8/status/1343959869121060864?s=20
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on December 29, 2020, 07:41:54 PM
Any word on his status? Really missing him.

Not!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2020, 07:56:41 PM
Thatís sitting on the fence a wee bit with that tweet. Soon, like next match or soon like February?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2020, 08:03:05 PM
Thatís sitting on the fence a wee bit with that tweet. Soon, like next match or soon like February?

I reckon heíll be on the bench tomorrow or maybe even starting ahead of Bert to shore up the midfield a bit more.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2020, 08:24:05 PM
Thatís sitting on the fence a wee bit with that tweet. Soon, like next match or soon like February?

I reckon heíll be on the bench tomorrow or maybe even starting ahead of Bert to shore up the midfield a bit more.

Tomorrow?!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 29, 2020, 08:31:14 PM
Thatís sitting on the fence a wee bit with that tweet. Soon, like next match or soon like February?

I reckon heíll be on the bench tomorrow or maybe even starting ahead of Bert to shore up the midfield a bit more.

Tomorrow?!

yeh I meant Friday. Getting my days all fucked up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on December 29, 2020, 08:33:13 PM
Thatís sitting on the fence a wee bit with that tweet. Soon, like next match or soon like February?

I reckon heíll be on the bench tomorrow or maybe even starting ahead of Bert to shore up the midfield a bit more.

Tomorrow?!

yeh I meant Friday. Getting my days all fucked up.
I havenít know what day it is for nearly two weeks. Actually saying that, since March.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2021, 09:23:20 AM
Itís a bit worrying that this period of unavailability is stretching out. Seems odd.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on January 02, 2021, 09:28:10 AM
I actually heard someone say it would be too risky to play him last night as it was so cold and potentially bad for his hamstring.

We'll see him in March then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 09:29:25 AM
Smith saying Spurs. Sounds like he's not been match fit generally.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: andyh on January 02, 2021, 10:01:11 AM
Smith saying Spurs. Sounds like he's not been match fit generally.
The only way you become Ďmatch fití is by playing matches.......see SJM.
He is either over his injury or heís not.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 10:02:19 AM
Christ, a whole month after he was first supposed to be back. He's a great player but I'd suggest we see how he does the rest of the season before thinking about chucking a load of cash at a permanent transfer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 02, 2021, 10:32:45 AM
The more this happens, the more I think it's a deliberate ploy by the club to be as vague as possible.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 02, 2021, 10:40:33 AM
How much was the loan fee, close to £10m?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 02, 2021, 11:10:50 AM
The more this happens, the more I think it's a deliberate ploy by the club to be as vague as possible.

Think this seems to be becoming more common with clubs now. Iím sure Iíve seen Tootenham fans bemoaning the fact that the club doesnít put a public timeframe on player injuries.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 02, 2021, 11:37:50 AM
He was in his pants in the changing room in one of McGinn's christmas turkey videos, so it is a bit headscratching for there still to be no sign or word of him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 11:51:22 AM
He's gone from being ready just after the Wolves game (12 Dec) to "he was very, very close to being involved against Palace" (26 Dec) to now maybe being ready for Spurs (13 Jan).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 02, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
Get Dele Alli in.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 12:11:26 PM
Get Dele Alli in.

That would be a statement of intent.  That kid had a very difficult upbringing which I think is part of the problem with him, so I think coming to a stable club like Villa would be in his best interests.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2021, 12:59:15 PM
The more top half Premier League quality we have the better.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on January 02, 2021, 01:00:51 PM
Maybe knowing there's a full week before the FA Cup game was a factor. He can do a full week's preparation rather than risk disrupting some of the side's momentum by coming in late as part of a week in which there were 3 games. Dean does speak about momentum a lot.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 02:24:06 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 02, 2021, 02:38:08 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Aye, always runs rings round us does Daniel Levy.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2021, 02:44:41 PM
I actually heard someone say it would be too risky to play him last night as it was so cold and potentially bad for his hamstring.

We'll see him in March then.

Didn't DS actually come out and say this after West Brom which was two weeks back? Thought he was joking but perhaps not!

Seems from DS comments last night he's not even being considered for Liverpool game which is a bit odd with that being a week away and would be ideal one to give him half an hour at least.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2021, 02:48:52 PM
Maybe knowing there's a full week before the FA Cup game was a factor. He can do a full week's preparation rather than risk disrupting some of the side's momentum by coming in late as part of a week in which there were 3 games. Dean does speak about momentum a lot.

With the question last night DS didn't even mention Liverpool, just said he hoped he'd be back for Spurs although reporter could've just asked him if he'd be available for next league game I guess.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 03:15:55 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Aye, always runs rings round us does Daniel Levy.
Spuds fans think he is a bit of a dick in negotiations.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LukeJames on January 02, 2021, 03:19:23 PM
If it wasn't for him then Jack would probably be playing for Spurs, He's a genius.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on January 02, 2021, 03:25:31 PM
Get Dele Alli in.

Poch just signed as new PSG manager. Dele will be off there now - Shame, as I think he could have been the 'fit' Ross Barkley we're looking for.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 04:25:56 PM
Maybe knowing there's a full week before the FA Cup game was a factor. He can do a full week's preparation rather than risk disrupting some of the side's momentum by coming in late as part of a week in which there were 3 games. Dean does speak about momentum a lot.

With the question last night DS didn't even mention Liverpool, just said he hoped he'd be back for Spurs although reporter could've just asked him if he'd be available for next league game I guess.

He's quoted in the local press as saying:

"I'm not sure if I'll start him in the FA Cup game (vs Liverpool next week). He needs more minutes on the training ground."

Absolute farce.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 04:32:56 PM
I think the phrase ď plagued by injuryĒ is going to get writ when describing his career.
It is obvious we need someone of his ability because last night showed a much too heavy reliability on Jack.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 02, 2021, 04:35:25 PM
I wouldn't be buying him. Minor hamstring injuries that take months are not for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 02, 2021, 04:37:29 PM
I wouldn't be buying him. Minor hamstring injuries that take months are not for me.
When they start playing up itís difficult to remedy ( see Michael Owen)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
Deli Ali would be ideal, if heíd come to us. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 02, 2021, 05:57:41 PM
Heís a busted flush.

Again too many injuries. (Not really played for 2 years).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2021, 06:00:09 PM
Bit early to make that call.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 02, 2021, 06:01:24 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 06:06:30 PM
Here's Ross's injury record.  Good a player as he is, I'd probably not be making it a permanent transfer if it was up to me.

9 games and counting missed this season with a hamstring injury, plus 2 at the start of the season for Chelsea.
13 games missed last season with foot injuries.
38 games missed in the 17/18 season split over two periods for his hamstring.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 02, 2021, 06:06:39 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.
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Yes I understand he is a bit of a Wrangler
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2021, 06:09:38 PM
Here's Ross's injury record.  Good a player as he is, I'd probably not be making it a permanent transfer if it was up to me.

9 games and counting missed this season with a hamstring injury, plus 2 at the start of the season for Chelsea.
13 games missed last season with foot injuries.
38 games missed in the 17/18 season split over two periods for his hamstring.



His hamstring injury history explains why we are being extra cautious on bringing him back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2021, 06:30:24 PM
Maybe knowing there's a full week before the FA Cup game was a factor. He can do a full week's preparation rather than risk disrupting some of the side's momentum by coming in late as part of a week in which there were 3 games. Dean does speak about momentum a lot.

With the question last night DS didn't even mention Liverpool, just said he hoped he'd be back for Spurs although reporter could've just asked him if he'd be available for next league game I guess.

He's quoted in the local press as saying:

"I'm not sure if I'll start him in the FA Cup game (vs Liverpool next week). He needs more minutes on the training ground."

Absolute farce.

I thought he was already in light/full training given his return was supposed to be imminent over xmas period? We've got 5-6 days of training before Liverpool so it all seems a bit cloak and dagger for some reason.

Pretty much playing evening kick offs aswell up to end of January so when he does return it will be likely in freezing conditions.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 02, 2021, 06:34:04 PM
Heís a busted flush.

Again too many injuries. (Not really played for 2 years).

He played 55 games in 18/19. 35 last season but a few of those would've been him as unused sub given Chelsea's number of CMs.

Think the injury problems were more at Everton where he broke his leg and had the hamstring issues that plauge him now.

It's all very frustrating. If he wasn't close to coming back for xmas period just don't say it as disappointing scanning the team news every game and not seeing his name on the bench.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2021, 06:34:40 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.

Indeed as he's always trying to selvedge a little extra from the deal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2021, 06:38:32 PM
Niche.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 02, 2021, 07:58:48 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.

Indeed as he's always trying to selvedge a little extra from the deal.

Best H&V pun ever surely, given the limited framework ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 02, 2021, 08:30:45 PM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.

Indeed as he's always trying to selvedge a little extra from the deal.

Yeah, not sure why but I always feared heíd be looking to pocket an extra bit of wedge from a permanent deal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 03, 2021, 12:54:59 AM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.

Indeed as he's always trying to selvedge a little extra from the deal.

We'd probably get stitched up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on January 03, 2021, 05:11:24 AM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.

Indeed as he's always trying to selvedge a little extra from the deal.

We'd probably get stitched up.

Yes with all the wrangling
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 03, 2021, 08:16:11 AM
Heís a busted flush.

Again too many injuries. (Not really played for 2 years).

He played 55 games in 18/19. 35 last season but a few of those would've been him as unused sub given Chelsea's number of CMs.

Think the injury problems were more at Everton where he broke his leg and had the hamstring issues that plauge him now.

It's all very frustrating. If he wasn't close to coming back for xmas period just don't say it as disappointing scanning the team news every game and not seeing his name on the bench.

I was talking about delve ali
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on January 03, 2021, 08:34:28 AM
And weíre Joseís favourite team
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: four fornicholl on January 03, 2021, 08:48:23 AM
Get Dele Alli in.
Him an Jack are big mates so it would not surprise me if something happens.
Only problem is dealing with Levi.

Negotiating with him can be very straussfull.

Indeed as he's always trying to selvedge a little extra from the deal.

We'd probably get stitched up.

Yes with all the wrangling
Didn't someone say he'd link up with Pepe ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on January 03, 2021, 09:12:43 AM
Barkley is great but for 50m with his injury record im not sure if it would be good value for money.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rigadon on January 03, 2021, 09:21:01 AM
Well, the club will have seen his general fitness and will make a call on whether itís a risk (50 million or whatever) worth taking.  Would be a good sign of things to come if we did get him permanently.  Even better if he actually plays some football!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2021, 10:01:20 AM
Chelsea will not be getting any where near 50 million.
This is a small fee + a 1 year contract with an option to extend type deal.
Chelsea have too many midfielders and will be pleased to get him off the books.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2021, 12:49:10 PM
Yeah they'll sell for 25-30m imo. No one else in this league is paying 30m + for him so given he's already here we're in pole position.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 03, 2021, 12:52:41 PM
Heís a busted flush.

Again too many injuries. (Not really played for 2 years).

He played 55 games in 18/19. 35 last season but a few of those would've been him as unused sub given Chelsea's number of CMs.

Think the injury problems were more at Everton where he broke his leg and had the hamstring issues that plauge him now.

It's all very frustrating. If he wasn't close to coming back for xmas period just don't say it as disappointing scanning the team news every game and not seeing his name on the bench.

I was talking about delve ali

Dele Alli played 45 times for club and country in 18/19, 38 games last season with no national team call ups.

I wouldn't say averaging 40 games a season is that injury prone. Kienan Davis by contrast has played 42 times for us since January 2018.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 03, 2021, 07:18:08 PM
Heís a busted flush.

Again too many injuries. (Not really played for 2 years).

He played 55 games in 18/19. 35 last season but a few of those would've been him as unused sub given Chelsea's number of CMs.

Think the injury problems were more at Everton where he broke his leg and had the hamstring issues that plauge him now.

It's all very frustrating. If he wasn't close to coming back for xmas period just don't say it as disappointing scanning the team news every game and not seeing his name on the bench.

I was talking about delve ali

Dele Alli played 45 times for club and country in 18/19, 38 games last season with no national team call ups.

I wouldn't say averaging 40 games a season is that injury prone. Kienan Davis by contrast has played 42 times for us since January 2018.


My main point is he's been hit severely by injuries, starting at the World Cup, then never fully recovering before being injured again soon after.

His starting appearances in the premier league since have been well down - he wasn't a first choice starter for Pochetino in his last year and hasn't been for Mourinho either. 

He may have played more than I though, but injuries have certainly taken their toll on his performance level.  The last season he got into double figures for premier league goals was 2016-17.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 03, 2021, 07:21:01 PM
Yes he has never hit the same levels since the WC. He has not had an extended run in the team either.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2021, 07:23:49 PM
Alli has scored a lot more goals in the last few years than Barkley has.  Alli 'only' got 8 Premier League goals last season. I'd be amazed if any of our midfielders incuding Barkley get that many this season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 03, 2021, 07:25:52 PM
He's behind N'dombele, Moura, Bergwyn, LeCelso, Bale ..... given that we wouldn't want any of them either I can't really see what he would add - maybe on a freebie/loan but not at the money Levy would want or indeed will be offered by PSG.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: oldhill_avfc on January 03, 2021, 07:26:30 PM
Alli has scored a lot more goals in the last few years than Barkley has.  Alli 'only' got 8 Premier League goals last season. I'd be amazed if any of our midfielders incuding Barkley get that many this season.

So you think All plays midfield?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: passport1 on January 03, 2021, 07:35:12 PM
I'll be glad to see him join that chancer Poch at PSG.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 03, 2021, 07:42:47 PM
Alli has scored a lot more goals in the last few years than Barkley has.  Alli 'only' got 8 Premier League goals last season. I'd be amazed if any of our midfielders incuding Barkley get that many this season.

So you think All plays midfield?

He's an attacking midfielder, yes. When Spurs play a 4-4-2 he plays behind Son and Kane. When they play a 4-2-3-1 he plays in the attacking three. Not much this season, obviously.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 03, 2021, 08:31:26 PM
Alli is one of those players that doesn't really have a position. Doesn't have the discipline or passing ability for midfield. Not quick enough for out wide. Not sure he is all that creative for just off the main striker where he has been playing for a number of years. Mourinho clearly trying everything to get rid of him but I think the fact of it is that Son has kicked on a couple of levels in recent years and adds a lot of threat on the counter attack that Alli wouldn't.

Still only 24 though and more than capable of getting his career back on track post Mourinho like many have before aka KdeB, Salah etc
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 03, 2021, 09:22:06 PM
Hard to believe he's younger than Jack. I think the Poch-PSG rumours are most likely true though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on January 03, 2021, 09:25:49 PM
Alli would be an amazing signing, but I think he's beyond us right now.  He'd want a champions league challenge, I'd imagine. 

Then again, I'd have said similar about Barkley in the summer, so who knows?  I'd love us to have a midfield that could play a mixture of McGinn, Grealish, Barkley, Alli, and Luiz.  Imagine having had one of those to come off the bench at Old Trafford to try and change things...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 04, 2021, 12:18:09 AM
In our formation, Alli would have to play in the attacking midfield role and we already have Barkley, Grealish, McGinn and Ramsey who can ay there.  It would be an unnecessary luxury for me and I think it would be more of a defensive midfider we would need.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2021, 06:15:59 AM
He would.compete with Traore Trez AEG and would be an improvement on all 3.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 04, 2021, 08:17:59 AM
He would.compete with Traore Trez AEG and would be an improvement on all 3.

Would he be competing with them though? They are more wingers/inside forwards whereas Alli has generally played as a number ten or an eight hasnít he?

I agree with Tom in that he is more likely competing with Barkley and McGinn for a place in the starting XI so Iím not really sure where he fits in. And we arenít quite at the stage where we are going to have players that good on the bench.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2021, 09:36:45 AM
He would.compete with Traore Trez AEG and would be an improvement on all 3.

Would he be competing with them though? They are more wingers/inside forwards whereas Alli has generally played as a number ten or an eight hasnít he?

I agree with Tom in that he is more likely competing with Barkley and McGinn for a place in the starting XI so Iím not really sure where he fits in. And we arenít quite at the stage where we are going to have players that good on the bench.
He has played wide in a 3, i do not think the Barkley is relevant on the basis that he appears to have long term injury issues. If we are going to compete we need strength in depth.
There is no doubt in my opinion that he would strengthen the team and that has to be the criteria.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2021, 09:46:05 AM
He would.compete with Traore Trez AEG and would be an improvement on all 3.

Would he be competing with them though? They are more wingers/inside forwards whereas Alli has generally played as a number ten or an eight hasnít he?

I agree with Tom in that he is more likely competing with Barkley and McGinn for a place in the starting XI so Iím not really sure where he fits in. And we arenít quite at the stage where we are going to have players that good on the bench.

Smith clearly sees McGinn as one of the two in front of the defence with Luiz, so no, Alli wouldn't be competing with him I don't think. In our current set up, he'd be competing with Trez, Traore and El Ghazi.  Can't see him being on the bench much on that basis.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 04, 2021, 09:54:42 AM
Depending on what happens with the situations of Barkley and Luiz in the summer, he might not have long to wait for a spot through the middle, should he come.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2021, 09:54:57 AM
He would.compete with Traore Trez AEG and would be an improvement on all 3.

Would he be competing with them though? They are more wingers/inside forwards whereas Alli has generally played as a number ten or an eight hasnít he?

I agree with Tom in that he is more likely competing with Barkley and McGinn for a place in the starting XI so Iím not really sure where he fits in. And we arenít quite at the stage where we are going to have players that good on the bench.

Smith clearly sees McGinn as one of the two in front of the defence with Luiz, so no, Alli wouldn't be competing with him I don't think. In our current set up, he'd be competing with Trez, Traore and El Ghazi.  Can't see him being on the bench much on that basis.
exactly
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 04, 2021, 10:07:57 AM
Hmm. Iím not sure. Youíd effectively be asking one of Alli, Barkley or Grealish to play wide on the right. Iím not that has the right balance for the team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2021, 10:25:46 AM
Hmm. Iím not sure. Youíd effectively be asking one of Alli, Barkley or Grealish to play wide on the right. Iím not that has the right balance for the team.
Jesus.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 04, 2021, 10:47:26 AM
So where would he play then?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 04, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
If we want to start seriously competing for top 6 then we need much more squad depth and it would be fantastic to have a player like Ali - compare our bench to Chelsea and Utd's in recent games and the gulf is enormous.

Whether it's a priority when we are 1 injury away from a crisis at both striker and DM I'm not so sure.  And then there's FFP which hasn't gone away no matter how much people put fingers in ears and pretend it has.  I'd be amazed if we spend anything like £30m+ this window.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 04, 2021, 10:54:23 AM
Didn't we spend £30/40m less in the summer than was reportedly available?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2021, 11:00:35 AM
So where would he play then?

McGinn Luiz
Trez/Traore Alli Grealish
Watkins

It's not that hard, in the spot you'd want Barkley in were he ever fit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 04, 2021, 11:05:06 AM
So where would he play then?

McGinn Luiz
Trez/Traore Alli Grealish
Watkins

It's not that hard, in the spot you'd want Barkley in were he ever fit.

Yeah, so it him or Barkley which was my point. Not him or Trez/Traore as Chicago was saying.

If we are taking about him instead of Barkley thatís fine. There is no way we have both of them in a squad in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 04, 2021, 11:13:16 AM
We'd need them both in the Chumps League next season though...
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 04, 2021, 11:53:09 AM
You can't have too many good players. It certainly creates better problems than having too many inadequate ones.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on January 04, 2021, 12:02:35 PM
To me heís a good player but a little overhyped and itís noticeable that Spurs are a better team this season without him. If Luiz goes that position becomes the priority and he isnít that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on January 04, 2021, 12:11:47 PM
It's been years now since I've been able to work out what Alli is meant to be good at. He seems to have lost that late-arriving goal knack, and apart from that I don't know what he is really.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: nick harper on January 04, 2021, 12:21:47 PM
Sorry wrong thread
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Demitri_C on January 04, 2021, 12:40:25 PM
I think alli os a decent player to be honest. But spurs will want around 50m for him i think
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2021, 01:12:55 PM
Grealish was at the same do in Mayfair, so if Barkley was being punished, then you'd have to punish Jack as well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 04, 2021, 01:13:56 PM
Eh? I suspect itís an injury running on. Barkley has for the most part been outstanding for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2021, 01:14:27 PM
Any minute now Bobby Ewing is going to step out of the shower.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdward on January 04, 2021, 01:15:13 PM

So this birthday party business has left him out in the cold under some sort of semblance that he's still recovering from injury but is in fact being told in no uncertain terms he can be fit as he likes but he's not allowed to play in the villa team for a period as he broke rules both in his loan agreement and covid rules.


This party night that Jack was at (and wasn't punished) and was looked into by the club, and found no COVID rule breaking.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 04, 2021, 01:27:44 PM
It wasn't a party. It was him and Grealish having a meal out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 04, 2021, 01:35:30 PM
You're way off the mark here Footy, I'd drop this one if I was you.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2021, 01:39:12 PM
Grealish was at the same do in Mayfair, so if Barkley was being punished, then you'd have to punish Jack as well.
Jack is our guy and the main man a big player. He will be given more slack.
Plus it was Ross birthday
Barkley is a loan part player , a very good one , but has disrupted things with his injury and if he never was Villa then Grealish wouldn't have been at his party.

Now at least when Abraham had his birthday party it was a surprise one rather than being organised by ownself like Ross did.
Just shows the calibre of Tammy that people have surprise birthday parties for him while Barkley has to make his own and invite new best friend from Villa


Eh? I suspect itís an injury running on. Barkley has for the most part been outstanding for us.

I suspect some extra time out no doubt hes injured as we all saw v Brighton but it will be over 2 months out now when he next plays

Maybe he's not happy he's been told he can't be in the first team because Villa done so well without him
There is something a miss.


So this birthday party business has left him out in the cold under some sort of semblance that he's still recovering from injury but is in fact being told in no uncertain terms he can be fit as he likes but he's not allowed to play in the villa team for a period as he broke rules both in his loan agreement and covid rules.


This party night that Jack was at (and wasn't punished) and was looked into by the club, and found no COVID rule breaking.


We can agree to disagree.
Won't go over guidelines and what would be more helpful in stopping a spread.

Barkley need for a birthday party has caused this.
I say bring Abraham in send Barkley back.

I like Barkley as a player perhaps one of the best if not the best English midfielder along with Grealosh but he's performed poor he

And anyway getting injured in 1 minutes of the match v Brighton showed he did not do a warm up routine
If he put more care into his pre match training that he did to his birthday planning he wouldn't be injured in first place


You don't half talk a load of nonsense.  Deary me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2021, 01:42:58 PM
There is something a miss.

From the photos I saw of Jack there was definitely a miss involved.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SteveN on January 04, 2021, 01:49:41 PM
I think a far better fit than Ali and cheaper would be Buendia from Norwich. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 04, 2021, 02:12:59 PM
I think a far better fit than Ali and cheaper would be Buendia from Norwich.

Tidy baller but a bit tubby and I can't see Norwich selling anyone until promotion is assured.

Unless we send Barkley back then I can't see us signing another attacking midfielder this month.

RCB (replace Engels so maybe Tuanzebe ) LCM (upgrade on Hourihane/Nakamba) and backup for Watkins likely to be the priorities. It's going to be a very difficult market to sign or sell anyone.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2021, 02:24:22 PM
I'm with Monty when it comes to Alli, I don't know what type of player he is because the one thing he was really good at when he came through (arriving late into the box and scoring lots of goals) hasn't improved (his record in his first 3 years at spurs was far better than his record in the last 3) and he doesn't seem to have added anything else to his game. He's got talent, that's undeniable but I'm not sure he has the attitude or desire anymore. Compare him to Grealish and the difference is stark, Jack had flaws in his game but every summer he comes back having addressed them and goes up a level, that's the sort of attitude we need to be looking for in players (and we've found it in plenty of the signings from last summer).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on January 04, 2021, 02:31:22 PM
I'm with Monty when it comes to Alli, I don't know what type of player he is because the one thing he was really good at when he came through (arriving late into the box and scoring lots of goals) hasn't improved (his record in his first 3 years at spurs was far better than his record in the last 3) and he doesn't seem to have added anything else to his game. He's got talent, that's undeniable but I'm not sure he has the attitude or desire anymore. Compare him to Grealish and the difference is stark, Jack had flaws in his game but every summer he comes back having addressed them and goes up a level, that's the sort of attitude we need to be looking for in players (and we've found it in plenty of the signings from last summer).

We could be the perfect place to build him up again. I note Spurs say he's not available, presumably to up the price. Oh what a genius Levi is  ::)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2021, 02:51:55 PM
I'm with Monty when it comes to Alli, I don't know what type of player he is because the one thing he was really good at when he came through (arriving late into the box and scoring lots of goals) hasn't improved (his record in his first 3 years at spurs was far better than his record in the last 3) and he doesn't seem to have added anything else to his game. He's got talent, that's undeniable but I'm not sure he has the attitude or desire anymore. Compare him to Grealish and the difference is stark, Jack had flaws in his game but every summer he comes back having addressed them and goes up a level, that's the sort of attitude we need to be looking for in players (and we've found it in plenty of the signings from last summer).

On the other hand he's playing for Mourinho, and when you get on the wrong side of him there's usually not a way back.  He's still only 24, and I reckon Villa Park would be the perfect place for him to get his career back on track.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2021, 02:59:04 PM
I'm with Monty when it comes to Alli, I don't know what type of player he is because the one thing he was really good at when he came through (arriving late into the box and scoring lots of goals) hasn't improved (his record in his first 3 years at spurs was far better than his record in the last 3) and he doesn't seem to have added anything else to his game. He's got talent, that's undeniable but I'm not sure he has the attitude or desire anymore. Compare him to Grealish and the difference is stark, Jack had flaws in his game but every summer he comes back having addressed them and goes up a level, that's the sort of attitude we need to be looking for in players (and we've found it in plenty of the signings from last summer).

We could be the perfect place to build him up again. I note Spurs say he's not available, presumably to up the price. Oh what a genius Levi is  ::)

Maybe, but into what? Would he be competing for a spot with McGinn and is he enegetic enough for that? Would he be competing for the spot Barkley and Jack have bene playing this season and is he creative enough for it? Would he be happy to play out wide and compete with the wingers? There's a lot of questions over him that I doubt anyone can answer right now because he's badly lost his way. I don't mind taking a player as a rehab project but I wouldn't make him our record signing to do it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 04, 2021, 03:00:15 PM
Murinho will single out  a player for special treatment as part of his "management style", see K De Bruyne at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 04, 2021, 04:36:30 PM
Cantwell is now back fit for Norwich and playing. They're sitting pretty at the top and probably feel they don't need to sell him or Buendia in this transfer window.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ktvillan on January 04, 2021, 04:47:00 PM
Murinho will single out  a player for special treatment as part of his "management style", see K De Bruyne at Chelsea.

Yep it's part of his MO to ostracise someone, usually someone talented, to show who's boss and he's not afraid to exclude even top talent.  See also Pogba at Man Yew.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on January 04, 2021, 05:45:30 PM
Murinho will single out  a player for special treatment as part of his "management style", see K De Bruyne at Chelsea.

Yep it's part of his MO to ostracise someone, usually someone talented, to show who's boss and he's not afraid to exclude even top talent.  See also Pogba at Man Yew.

Salah at Chelsea as well. Mata too. Shaw at ManYoo.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on January 04, 2021, 06:47:06 PM
Mourinho's been at Spurs for a year and before that Alli was already well on the way down. In fact, not even down. What even is he? Where does he play, how does he play there, what does he do that others don't? And not in a Thomas Mueller kind of way, because he doesn't have exceptional awareness or movement either.

I'm not saying he's good enough or not good enough. I just don't even know what he is.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 04, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
Agree with Monty, don't want Alli at Villa.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 05, 2021, 10:22:27 AM
He is quick, strong, athletic and energetic, a good finisher with feet and head (6ft 2), quick feet with great close control and passing and excellent at finding space.  It would be a joy to watch him linking with Jack.  In short, on form an excellent attacking midfielder with goals and assists in abundance.  He's most effective as a 10, but can play left and cut in.  Yes he'd be competing with Grealish & Barkley, but on form he's an outstanding player and having all three in the squad would be a huge step forward in terms of squad depth.  Consider his age and he could be an incredible long term asset.

I recall similar sceptisism about Barkley, but the moment he played for us his quality just shines through.  I'd hope it would be the same with Ali. 

With that said, would I spend £40m on him right now?  Nope.  And I'm pretty convinced we won't even be looking at him with current FFP restrictions.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: passport1 on January 05, 2021, 10:54:30 AM
Personally I would be looking to sign the likes of Warde-Prowse and Saha. I certainly know what they do and could do for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on January 05, 2021, 11:03:11 AM
Every time I've watched Alli in the last few years he's struck me as being slow on the ball and a clumsy passer with little vision. When he was good he had the knack for finding space, and whether it's been coached out of him I don't know, but it doesn't seem to be there either way. Despite his patchiness Barkley is miles and miles ahead, and let's not get started on comparisons with Jack.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on January 05, 2021, 11:21:07 AM
Tottenham signed Alli as an 18-year old as a player that was demonstrating his ability in the lower leagues. I would rather us sign that type of player than one that would cost a fortune in wages and fee and has gone off the rails for the past couple of years and would be a huge risk.

I don't know the lower leagues and foreign leagues well enough to know who fits that profile like maybe some do but one name I've heard mentioned who meets that profile is Michael Olise at Reading. French 19-year old.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 05, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
Mourinho's been at Spurs for a year and before that Alli was already well on the way down. In fact, not even down. What even is he? Where does he play, how does he play there, what does he do that others don't? And not in a Thomas Mueller kind of way, because he doesn't have exceptional awareness or movement either.

I'm not saying he's good enough or not good enough. I just don't even know what he is.

He actually had quite a good scoring run when Mourinho came in, 5 goals in Mourinho's first 8 games. Overall 9 last season.

He's always been a more technical Tim Cahill given his ability to ghost late into the box or make runs from deep. Due to the mad high line we had in the Spurs game last season he must've had about 3 one on ones in that game but missed them all given the form he was in at the time.

If we didn't have Barkley already here I'd be all for going for him but he'd just be a luxury with what we presently have.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2021, 02:55:16 PM
So how many games will Barkley play for us this season?

Could we add a Poll to this thread.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 05, 2021, 03:04:40 PM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?
I would be rotating Traore and AEG.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: pelty on January 05, 2021, 03:12:26 PM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?

Traore every time; he does not impress me at all.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2021, 03:18:06 PM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?

Traore every time; he does not impress me at all.

He does me. I appreciate he can be frustrating, but you can see there is a very high skill level in there and when he's fully up to speed he's going to be immense. I also trust this management team to get the best out of him.

I give it 18 months before you start to get some friendless oddbod creating photoshops of him in a Man Utd kit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 05, 2021, 03:21:27 PM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?

Traore every time; he does not impress me at all.

He does me. I appreciate he can be frustrating, but you can see there is a very high skill level in there and when he's fully up to speed he's going to be immense. I also trust this management team to get the best out of him.

I give it 18 months before you start to get some friendless oddbod creating photoshops of him in a Man Utd kit.

Spot on as always oracle..
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Post by: eamonn on January 05, 2021, 03:23:54 PM
Might be worth swapping Traore and Watkins. Ollie would be much better at helping out his full back while Bert's ability to be in the right place for close-range finishes could flourish.
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Post by: Monty on January 05, 2021, 03:31:34 PM
Mourinho's been at Spurs for a year and before that Alli was already well on the way down. In fact, not even down. What even is he? Where does he play, how does he play there, what does he do that others don't? And not in a Thomas Mueller kind of way, because he doesn't have exceptional awareness or movement either.

I'm not saying he's good enough or not good enough. I just don't even know what he is.

He actually had quite a good scoring run when Mourinho came in, 5 goals in Mourinho's first 8 games. Overall 9 last season.

He's always been a more technical Tim Cahill given his ability to ghost late into the box or make runs from deep. Due to the mad high line we had in the Spurs game last season he must've had about 3 one on ones in that game but missed them all given the form he was in at the time.

If we didn't have Barkley already here I'd be all for going for him but he'd just be a luxury with what we presently have.

I remember it, people were talking about a Dele Alli renaissance. Then nothing. I think this idea about his technique comes from his ball-striking ability but for all of the close-control skills that come off another 99 fail clunkily. I remember at the World Cup, for instance, how often promising moves seemed to hit him like a brick wall.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 05, 2021, 03:35:39 PM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?

Traore every time; he does not impress me at all.

Traore for me too. I think there's a decent player in there and he'll be good for us over time but I think we look more balanced with Jack and El Ghazi/Trez on the wings and Ross in the middle. Maybe something about him being so one-footed and coming inside so often, I don't know.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 05, 2021, 03:40:31 PM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?

Traore every time; he does not impress me at all.

Traore for me too. I think there's a decent player in there and he'll be good for us over time but I think we look more balanced with Jack and El Ghazi/Trez on the wings and Ross in the middle. Maybe something about him being so one-footed and coming inside so often, I don't know.

Me too.  He's got something about him mind. Ross and Jack have a much better understanding.  I am sometimes unsure what Traore is going to do or is trying to do as he doesn't appear to look up to see the bigger picture.
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Post by: SamTheMouse on January 05, 2021, 06:46:32 PM
I'd rather have Barkley than Alli too.
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Post by: Risso on January 06, 2021, 12:12:26 AM
I'd rather have Barkley than Alli too.

A fit Barkley, certainly. There has to be a big question mark over how many games you'll get out of him over a season though.
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Post by: pelty on January 06, 2021, 05:43:15 AM
There is no doubt that Barkley gave opposition an add on to Grealish threat early season but of the 4, Luiz, McGinn, Traore and Ghazi, who would you leave out to bring him back in?

Traore every time; he does not impress me at all.

He does me. I appreciate he can be frustrating, but you can see there is a very high skill level in there and when he's fully up to speed he's going to be immense. I also trust this management team to get the best out of him.

I give it 18 months before you start to get some friendless oddbod creating photoshops of him in a Man Utd kit.

Wow! I hope you are right! His touch is so frustrating at times, but you are right that it takes a bit of time to get up to speed. Still, I prefer Barkley to Traore in the either/or question posed here.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on January 06, 2021, 07:45:42 AM
Since Barkley has been injured Iíve thought weíve been far more balanced, but saying that he does give us yet another dimension to our game when he is on song. I do think weíve been more consistent with AEG and Traore on each flank.

I do like him and really want him fit, itís another option. I donít think he should guarantee starting though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on January 06, 2021, 08:07:38 AM
A fit Barkley, certainly. There has to be a big question mark over how many games you'll get out of him over a season though.
That's the key issue: at the moment, I'd be sending him back to Chelsea at the first opportunity because the plan to bring him in and use him as a foil for JG is inoperable. I hope Lange is scouring other leagues for a similar no.8.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 06, 2021, 09:01:19 AM
That's a bit OTT.  He's had 6 weeks with a hamstring.  I'd like to see how he gets on for the rest of the season before consigning him to the trash heap.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simboy on January 06, 2021, 09:43:52 AM
This Barkley injury is a little odd. It reminds me a little of the injury to Jack a few years ago when he was out for what seemed an age. I think he missed two or three months. When he came back he was fitter and stronger than he had ever been. Barkley impressed and seem to add something when he played earlier in the season, although a little off the pace early on in games I thought. Hopefully he will come back ready to kick on, if Smith does keep his promise of getting him back in the England squad before the Euros then we will have got a good player who can help take us to the next level.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 06, 2021, 09:44:48 AM
Since Barkley has been injured Iíve thought weíve been far more balanced, but saying that he does give us yet another dimension to our game when he is on song. I do think weíve been more consistent with AEG and Traore on each flank.

I do like him and really want him fit, itís another option. I donít think he should guarantee starting though.

Think Jack is more of a goal threat out wide though so we are losing out on that by moving him to 10. AEGs work rate has improved a lot so maybe Targett is getting more protection. Certainly Jack at 10 works a lot harder without the ball than Barkley ever did. It's Traores flank where we got overloaded v Chelsea and United.

We did have a somewhat easier run of fixtures during Barkley's injury (West Brom, Burnley, Palace) where both AEG and Traore did very well. Despite both scoring, that wasn't the case really v Chelsea and United.

Definitely need both Barkley and Trez back in the squad, will be picking two from four then. To be honest if Barkley is fit, I think Smith picks him every time. He walked into the starting team v Liverpool despite back to back wins before it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 06, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
I'd rather have Barkley than Alli too.

A fit Barkley, certainly. There has to be a big question mark over how many games you'll get out of him over a season though.
Another 5 to 10 games is my guess.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 06, 2021, 12:39:57 PM
This Barkley injury is a little odd. It reminds me a little of the injury to Jack a few years ago when he was out for what seemed an age. I think he missed two or three months. When he came back he was fitter and stronger than he had ever been. Barkley impressed and seem to add something when he played earlier in the season, although a little off the pace early on in games I thought. Hopefully he will come back ready to kick on, if Smith does keep his promise of getting him back in the England squad before the Euros then we will have got a good player who can help take us to the next level.

I don't think he's missed a game injured since, has he? A couple(?) due to illness, but despite assorted cloggers' finest efforts and a hectic workload, he's not troubled the treatment room.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 06, 2021, 12:43:47 PM
This Barkley injury is a little odd. It reminds me a little of the injury to Jack a few years ago when he was out for what seemed an age. I think he missed two or three months. When he came back he was fitter and stronger than he had ever been. Barkley impressed and seem to add something when he played earlier in the season, although a little off the pace early on in games I thought. Hopefully he will come back ready to kick on, if Smith does keep his promise of getting him back in the England squad before the Euros then we will have got a good player who can help take us to the next level.

I don't think he's missed a game injured since, has he? A couple(?) due to illness, but despite assorted cloggers' finest efforts and a hectic workload, he's not troubled the treatment room.

You're right, considering how much he gets chopped down, his last times of being out for any length were with the shin injury in the Championship, and the kidney damage before that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 06, 2021, 12:45:23 PM
Truly great players have to have physical resilience to become great.
Jack seems to have this.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 06, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
FFS.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on January 09, 2021, 01:09:14 PM
Hopefully he's fit by the time we're next able to play.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2021, 02:47:25 PM
He's not needed, send him back
The kids are alright
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on January 09, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
He's not needed, send him back
The kids are alright
Have to disagree there mate. I'd sign him in a heartbeat.
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Post by: eamonn on January 09, 2021, 06:06:04 PM
Me too if he wasn't always hamstrung by his hamstrings.
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Post by: TelfordVilla on January 09, 2021, 06:27:04 PM
But he is
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 09, 2021, 06:32:00 PM
I made this up entirely myself:  Delaying his come back is a tactic to keep his price down for a January swoop.  We can point to the fact he has missed X games so we cannot possibly pay the asking price.  We also get a fully recovered player if he does sign. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 09, 2021, 08:17:58 PM
A great player, but his injuryís seem to last a bit
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on January 23, 2021, 10:07:38 PM
I thought he had a poor game tonight. I know that sounds harsh, but his passing was indifferent, his energy was low and he seemed to play into the defensive traffic rather than finding the space.
Maybe that's too harsh, given the time he's had out with injury ....
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Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2021, 10:10:00 PM
I thought he had a poor game tonight. I know that sounds harsh, but his passing was indifferent, his energy was low and he seemed to play into the defensive traffic rather than finding the space.
Maybe that's too harsh, given the time he's had out with injury ....

Certainly wasn't his best game. Seemed like his mind was sharp but his feet weren't willing. As you say, probably down to the time out.
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Post by: LukeJames on January 23, 2021, 10:17:07 PM
I thought the complete opposite, He pushes us 15 yards further forward. His link up play with Jack was as we would expect. When hes back to full fitness we are gonna be a fucking force.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 23, 2021, 10:19:43 PM
He's still very rusty and it showed tonight with his constant poor decision making.

I think we'll see him back to his best after the Southampton match.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 23, 2021, 10:21:58 PM
Heís understandably rusty. Itíll come.
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Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2021, 10:52:37 PM
The sharpness with his touch will come. Ball getting stuck under his feet a bit and easy passes going astray. That's just lack of match sharpness really.

My problem with Barkley is that he is a ball hog. I know Jack can be at times but Barkley can just be so ponderous on the ball. Holding onto the ball far too long with players left and right of him. Also, he really offers zilch without the ball. Ive never thought he was a good enough player to get away with either flaw really. If he pressed hard like Watkins we would turn a lot of defenders over.

Burnley might be a good game for him though. They will sit deep so we will need guys comfortable at shooting from distance which he is capable of.
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 23, 2021, 10:53:56 PM
The sharpness with his touch will come. Ball getting stuck under his feet a bit and easy passes going astray. That's just lack of match sharpness really.

My problem with Barkley is that he is a ball hog. I know Jack can be at times but Barkley can just be so ponderous on the ball. Holding onto the ball far too long with players left and right of him. Also, he really offers zilch without the ball. Ive never thought he was a good enough player to get away with either flaw really. If he pressed hard like Watkins we would turn a lot of defenders over.

Burnley might be a good game for him though. They will sit deep so we will need guys comfortable at shooting from distance which he is capable of.
So you don't think he's brought us up a level?
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Post by: Ads on January 23, 2021, 10:54:26 PM
He plays almost as a false 9. He occupies those pockets of space and when he links with Jack of Bertie, we tick.

Its a bit marshmellowey at the moment with his play, can't quite get his radar working and a little alow out his feet. Think away from hom him and Bertie is perhaps too open. He needs games and was unlucky not to score.
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Post by: brontebilly on January 23, 2021, 11:00:04 PM
The sharpness with his touch will come. Ball getting stuck under his feet a bit and easy passes going astray. That's just lack of match sharpness really.

My problem with Barkley is that he is a ball hog. I know Jack can be at times but Barkley can just be so ponderous on the ball. Holding onto the ball far too long with players left and right of him. Also, he really offers zilch without the ball. Ive never thought he was a good enough player to get away with either flaw really. If he pressed hard like Watkins we would turn a lot of defenders over.

Burnley might be a good game for him though. They will sit deep so we will need guys comfortable at shooting from distance which he is capable of.
So you don't think he's brought us up a level?

Not really, has played well in three big wins for us alright (Liverpool, Arsenal particularly and Leicester) but been very poor in others and obviously missed a lot of games with injury. I think the pundits are making a bit too much of the Jack/Barkley combo. Traore and AEG have got more goals for us and points for us than Barkley. Jack played quite well at 10 in Barkley's absence too.

Likes of Martinez, Watkins and the improvement in Konsa and Targett have been key for me. We were very weak in those four positions last season.

I don't think it's a certainty we should be pushing the boat out to get Barkley in permanently at the half way point of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 23, 2021, 11:07:17 PM
The sharpness with his touch will come. Ball getting stuck under his feet a bit and easy passes going astray. That's just lack of match sharpness really.

My problem with Barkley is that he is a ball hog. I know Jack can be at times but Barkley can just be so ponderous on the ball. Holding onto the ball far too long with players left and right of him. Also, he really offers zilch without the ball. Ive never thought he was a good enough player to get away with either flaw really. If he pressed hard like Watkins we would turn a lot of defenders over.

Burnley might be a good game for him though. They will sit deep so we will need guys comfortable at shooting from distance which he is capable of.
So you don't think he's brought us up a level?

Not really, has played well in three big wins for us alright (Liverpool, Arsenal particularly and Leicester) but been very poor in others and obviously missed a lot of games with injury. 

Yeah, I wish we still had a choice between Connor or Lansbury for that role too.
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Post by: AlexAlexCropley on January 23, 2021, 11:08:48 PM
The sharpness with his touch will come. Ball getting stuck under his feet a bit and easy passes going astray. That's just lack of match sharpness really.

My problem with Barkley is that he is a ball hog. I know Jack can be at times but Barkley can just be so ponderous on the ball. Holding onto the ball far too long with players left and right of him. Also, he really offers zilch without the ball. Ive never thought he was a good enough player to get away with either flaw really. If he pressed hard like Watkins we would turn a lot of defenders over.

Burnley might be a good game for him though. They will sit deep so we will need guys comfortable at shooting from distance which he is capable of.
So you don't think he's brought us up a level?

Not really, has played well in three big wins for us alright (Liverpool, Arsenal particularly and Leicester) but been very poor in others and obviously missed a lot of games with injury. I think the pundits are making a bit too much of the Jack/Barkley combo. Traore and AEG have got more goals for us and points for us than Barkley. Jack played quite well at 10 in Barkley's absence too.

Likes of Martinez, Watkins and the improvement in Konsa and Targett have been key for me. We were very weak in those four positions last season.

I don't think it's a certainty we should be pushing the boat out to get Barkley in permanently at the half way point of the season.
Think you need another team
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 23, 2021, 11:09:48 PM
The sharpness with his touch will come. Ball getting stuck under his feet a bit and easy passes going astray. That's just lack of match sharpness really.

My problem with Barkley is that he is a ball hog. I know Jack can be at times but Barkley can just be so ponderous on the ball. Holding onto the ball far too long with players left and right of him. Also, he really offers zilch without the ball. Ive never thought he was a good enough player to get away with either flaw really. If he pressed hard like Watkins we would turn a lot of defenders over.

Burnley might be a good game for him though. They will sit deep so we will need guys comfortable at shooting from distance which he is capable of.
So you don't think he's brought us up a level?

Not really, has played well in three big wins for us alright (Liverpool, Arsenal particularly and Leicester) but been very poor in others and obviously missed a lot of games with injury. I think the pundits are making a bit too much of the Jack/Barkley combo. Traore and AEG have got more goals for us and points for us than Barkley. Jack played quite well at 10 in Barkley's absence too.

Likes of Martinez, Watkins and the improvement in Konsa and Targett have been key for me. We were very weak in those four positions last season.

I don't think it's a certainty we should be pushing the boat out to get Barkley in permanently at the half way point of the season.
Think you need another team

Maybe he has already.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on January 23, 2021, 11:20:01 PM
I agree the jury is still out on barkley. I certainly wouldn't be spending big money on him this january but if he stays healthy and contributes more during the 2nd half of the season then he may be worth getting in the summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Big Ming on January 24, 2021, 01:26:22 PM
Given the amount of money Chelsea are likely to want, we should probably think about looking elsewhere, unless he has a stonking second half of the season.

Not convinced we could not do better.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 24, 2021, 01:39:41 PM
There's a bit of the flat track bully about Barkley. I think he has all the physicality and technique to be a consistently high performer but he could definitely improve off the ball and quicker at releasing the ball. He's still not fully fit though so I'm sure there's more to come from him.
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Post by: chrisw1 on January 24, 2021, 01:40:15 PM
I think he's a fabulous player and can't wait until he's back into form.  I'm confident he's going to play a massive role for us for the rest of the season.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 24, 2021, 01:43:35 PM
I wouldnít be in for him this window. If he stays injury free and gets back to the level before his injury then itís a consideration at the right price. £30 Million ish
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Post by: tomd2103 on January 24, 2021, 01:52:14 PM
Understandably still looked a bit off the pace last night, but had some sublime touches at times. 
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Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2021, 01:53:40 PM
I think we look a better attacking team with him in it.
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Post by: Tuscans on January 24, 2021, 01:56:20 PM
TBH, before Ross joined on loan I'll happily say never a fan. The Liverpool and Arsenal games swayed me to change my mind a little but other times I watch him I'm back to not sure again.

It's his decision making in that role, something you cant afford to be is indecisive, and throughout his career I think that's his downfall. You can hear without fans the screams and gestures from Jack and Ollie when he holds onto the ball, stutters and doesn't release it at the right time.

I'm not too sure about him, I don't think we'll pay anymore than £20-£25 million for him if it comes to that. Possibly Sanson coming in releases McGinn in a role he favours and we see Luiz, Sanson and McGinn as the three in the long term. I dunno.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 24, 2021, 02:01:29 PM
We do look better going forward and he has a great understanding with Grealish. My only concern is his injury record. It doesnít matter how good any player is if they are susceptible to hamstring issues. It will be continually stop start.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2021, 02:10:58 PM
The likes of Alli and Eriksen to mention two will be available come summer time too. With our improvement a lot more players will be interested in coming our way. Sanson will add competition until the season end too, plus Jack is more than capable of playing at 10. Maybe some hard competition for his place will see the best of Barkley. But it needs to start from Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 24, 2021, 02:15:10 PM
The likes of Alli and Eriksen to mention two will be available come summer time too. With our improvement a lot more players will be interested in coming our way. Sanson will add competition until the season end too, plus Jack is more than capable of playing at 10. Maybe some hard competition for his place will see the best of Barkley. But it needs to start from Wednesday night.

No, it doesn't need to start from Wednesday at all. He's just trying to find his sharpness after a while out. It'll come, he needs time. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: old man villa fan on January 24, 2021, 02:17:43 PM
We do look better going forward and he has a great understanding with Grealish. My only concern is his injury record. It doesnít matter how good any player is if they are susceptible to hamstring issues. It will be continually stop start.

Any player can pick up an injury.  It's when they are in and out of the team through injury that is the problem.  If he goes the rest of the season only missing the odd game through knocks, I would go for him at the end of the season for anything less than £30m.  Running with the ball through midfield is something we have lacked and can open up the defence.  Barkley has this ability to drive at defenders with pace and power.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: nigel on January 24, 2021, 02:23:07 PM
There's a bit of the flat track bully about Barkley. I think he has all the physicality and technique to be a consistently high performer but he could definitely improve off the ball and quicker at releasing the ball. He's still not fully fit though so I'm sure there's more to come from him.

I wouldnít say that, mate.
His 3 best games have come against Liverpool, Arsenal and Leicester.
A flat track bully would have disappeared in those games.

Heís coming back from an injury, so heís building his match fitness back again.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 24, 2021, 02:23:17 PM
I like him, there are concerns about his injury record for sure BUT he's got intent in him, he's always looking to drive forward and that's something we've missed in midfield for years.

A sensible transfer fee (if there is such a thing these days) and I'd be all over it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 24, 2021, 02:28:11 PM
The likes of Alli and Eriksen to mention two will be available come summer time too. With our improvement a lot more players will be interested in coming our way. Sanson will add competition until the season end too, plus Jack is more than capable of playing at 10. Maybe some hard competition for his place will see the best of Barkley. But it needs to start from Wednesday night.

No, it doesn't need to start from Wednesday at all. He's just trying to find his sharpness after a while out. It'll come, he needs time.

He might not get too much time though. If Grealish, Luiz and McGinn are nailed on starters when fit, there are only two other spots available. Traore, AEG and Trez (who looked sharp when he came on) are all in decent form for arguably one wide spot but with the option of switching Jack inside. Sanson, Ramsey and even Nakamba after last night other options in the middle. McGinn has played for us in Barkley's position before too so Smith has loads of options. I don't think Barkley will have the luxury of another four or five games to play himself back into form and fitness.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on January 24, 2021, 02:29:43 PM
I like him, there are concerns about his injury record for sure BUT he's got intent in him, he's always looking to drive forward and that's something we've missed in midfield for years.

A sensible transfer fee (if there is such a thing these days) and I'd be all over it.

Itís obviously something to be aware of, but is his injury record really that bad?

I know he had that bad injury three season ago, but he made the vast majority of Chelseaís Premier League match day squads in the last two season (I think itís about 85%). That doesnít strike me as too bad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 24, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
He did ok yesterday, just lacked bit of sharpness. He linked up with Jack, Luiz and Traore really well at times and nearly scored with that overhead flick so provided he stays fit he should do well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on January 24, 2021, 03:22:37 PM
The sharpness with his touch will come. Ball getting stuck under his feet a bit and easy passes going astray. That's just lack of match sharpness really.

My problem with Barkley is that he is a ball hog. I know Jack can be at times but Barkley can just be so ponderous on the ball. Holding onto the ball far too long with players left and right of him. Also, he really offers zilch without the ball. Ive never thought he was a good enough player to get away with either flaw really. If he pressed hard like Watkins we would turn a lot of defenders over.

Burnley might be a good game for him though. They will sit deep so we will need guys comfortable at shooting from distance which he is capable of.
So you don't think he's brought us up a level?

Not really, has played well in three big wins for us alright (Liverpool, Arsenal particularly and Leicester) but been very poor in others and obviously missed a lot of games with injury. 

Yeah, I wish we still had a choice between Connor or Lansbury for that role too.

I miss Bjarnason and Jota, honest.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on January 24, 2021, 04:55:14 PM
I don't think Barkley will have the luxury of another four or five games to play himself back into form and fitness.

I think he will as just like SJM, Dean will give him games to bring him up to speed. We're certainly a better team when he plays though I'm yet to decide just how good he is. We certainly need a player like him, whether he is that player only time will tell. The one characteristic he has that would be difficult finding a better alternative is experience. I think Dean highly values that given the youth of our squad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on January 25, 2021, 11:45:48 AM
Smith likes to keep a settled side so I think he will get time. It is good to have options though and it's a sign of our development.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on January 25, 2021, 12:25:12 PM
I think we sometimes lose sight of where we've come from in such a short space of time. 

There will hopefully come a day when we wonder if players like Ross Barkley are good enough for Aston Villa - but that day is not today. He is precisely the sort of player we need as we build into a side capable of challenging regularly for the European places.  Think who would have been playing in that position a year or 18 months ago.  Barkley is light-years ahead of our previous options.

When he's fit and on form he'll be one of the first names on the teamsheet.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SheffieldVillain on January 25, 2021, 01:19:51 PM
Also handy with a snowball it seems...
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1353681473556131841
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdward on January 25, 2021, 01:33:28 PM
The thing i like about Barkley is that him and Jack seem to be on the same wavelength. They are constatntly supporting each other and making themselves available for a pass.
The key to this team evolving is keeping Jack and building around him with better players than we have. Hence Hourihanes departure, and Ross Barkley and Morgan Sanson coming in.
I still feel Barkley is looking a little rusty, but if he can stay injury free, we could see more 7-2 type of perfomances from him.
With the managerial change at Chelsea he may (still) be surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 28, 2021, 07:07:01 AM
Not convinced another poor performance
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 28, 2021, 07:20:50 AM
Not sure Ross can handle the pace - he's clearly talented; but this high pressing and chasing game, then playing at a high tempo - not sure it's for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aev on January 28, 2021, 07:40:25 AM
Not sure Ross can handle the pace - he's clearly talented; but this high pressing and chasing game, then playing at a high tempo - not sure it's for him.

He looks big boned.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on January 28, 2021, 07:43:55 AM
He was superb as was the whole team first half.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on January 28, 2021, 07:47:02 AM
As others have said heís a very good player but can he cut it with our high energy pressing game week in week out? He appeared to be blowing through his arse a couple of times which could be put down to lack of fitness following his injury, alternatively Dean knows better and brought a more suitable player in Sanson
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on January 28, 2021, 07:54:13 AM
Like I said a week or so ago, I do think we look a better team with him in it and if he does look a bit rusty, it's understandable but he'll get there. I was never that much of a fan but I think he's been great. Smithy's post is spot on as well. He's fine for where we are at the moment.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Vegas on January 28, 2021, 08:30:42 AM
After a decent start, Iím not that impressed. He was ok first half in an exceptional team performance. Some nice touches but definitely seemed to slow things down most of the time. Disappeared second half, offers very little defensively, lost his man (didnít even seem to try) for their first goal.

I wouldnít be anywhere near him for say £30m at the end of the season. I probably wouldnít have him in my first choice team next week, a few options Iíd have a look at instead (new signing in, McGinn further forward; Jack central with Trezeguet back in)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on January 28, 2021, 08:50:23 AM
Wayward passing and an inability to keep to the required pace is letting him down right now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2021, 08:58:01 AM
He hasn't been very good at all since getting back in the team. He needs to shape up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 28, 2021, 09:01:48 AM
Iím willing to give him a break - Iím not surprised heís rusty. Iím quite surprised heís started every game since returning.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 28, 2021, 09:58:41 AM
Possibly his position is one where we can make a first team improvement. How much would Chelsea want? £40m? Could we find better? It's a tough one.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on January 28, 2021, 10:05:04 AM
He is definitely Premier League top 6 > 8 quality. But a player of his type will usually blow hot and cold.

I'd still do the deal if Chelsea don't do a pisstake on the price.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 28, 2021, 10:13:12 AM
Possibly his position is one where we can make a first team improvement. How much would Chelsea want? £40m? Could we find better? It's a tough one.
I am concerned that his fitness problems are long term, I would not pay Chelsea anything because I do not think he can make a long term consistant contribution to the team.
Could be another Micah Richards type situation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on January 28, 2021, 10:14:31 AM
He has 20 games to prove himself.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 28, 2021, 10:16:04 AM
He has 20 games to prove himself.
Yes good point, I wonder how many he will play.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on January 28, 2021, 10:33:55 AM
I'd be interested in those who paid attention to him at Chelsea to judge whether this is as good as it gets from him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 28, 2021, 10:42:29 AM
I'd be interested in those who paid attention to him at Chelsea to judge whether this is as good as it gets from him.
someone put the stats up and it wasnt great.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on January 28, 2021, 11:01:45 AM
Possibly his position is one where we can make a first team improvement. How much would Chelsea want? £40m? Could we find better? It's a tough one.

Look at his stats at Chelsea and even at the Everton. Why didn't Conte rate him I wonder?  Chelsea won't be getting a fraction of 40m for him no matter where he ends up. He's not top 6-8 club standard. I think there is far more scope in both Luiz and McGinn to improve than Barkley.

Alli and Eriksen to mention two would be better value I think.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on January 28, 2021, 11:04:42 AM
Possibly his position is one where we can make a first team improvement. How much would Chelsea want? £40m? Could we find better? It's a tough one.
I am concerned that his fitness problems are long term, I would not pay Chelsea anything because I do not think he can make a long term consistant contribution to the team.
Could be another Micah Richards type situation.

Yes, as I mentioned yesterday, when talking about Sanson, Smith said they looked at "toughness" as a key attribute when bringing players in, and they wanted everybody to have played 70% of their matches over the last three years (something like that anyway). They must have been hoping that Barkley's talent trumps this requirement, because he very much doesn't fit this criteria.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Small Rodent on January 28, 2021, 11:52:56 AM
You can see he is trying. Sometimes too hard, maybe. And he certainly has the talent.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bryan on January 29, 2021, 08:54:00 PM
Possibly his position is one where we can make a first team improvement. How much would Chelsea want? £40m? Could we find better? It's a tough one.

Look at his stats at Chelsea and even at the Everton. Why didn't Conte rate him I wonder?  Chelsea won't be getting a fraction of 40m for him no matter where he ends up. He's not top 6-8 club standard. I think there is far more scope in both Luiz and McGinn to improve than Barkley.

Alli and Eriksen to mention two would be better value I think.

What would Coutinho cost?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OzVilla on January 29, 2021, 09:20:45 PM
Obviously he still needs to show us what heís got in the 2nd half of the season but I think heíd be a good signing at the right price. Heís tailor made for our style and heís a good age. His injury record between now and May will determine the price.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The_ads on January 30, 2021, 08:55:21 AM
Iíd be dropping him today as he looks totally off it and AEG is incredibly unlucky to be warming the bench again, poor fella was nominated for player of the month a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on January 31, 2021, 09:22:19 AM
Nice goal by Barkley but there is no way I would be paying big money to bring him to VP. Chelski fans on tw-atter are saying his goals vs Soton and Leicester have upped his selling price. Without the ball he is just a passenger. He doesn't know how to press and I'd be interested to know his stats on winning tackles and interceptions. Near our goal he's a liability. I should imagine the last thing Smith said before play yesterday was don't give away any free kicks for Prowse to take advantage of. Only Barkley gave one away which fortunately our wall dealt with.
Imo he should have been subbed 2nd half to bring new energy to the midfield...



(...got to drive his price down ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 31, 2021, 09:34:17 AM
That goal was brilliant. Great movement and superb placement of the header.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2021, 09:40:18 AM
Disagree, as I thought he was good off the ball second half, dropping much deeper towards our own 18 yard box

Felt it was their shape of effectively having 3 at the back with the way the full backs stepped out and the wide forwards went narrow to swamp as a press, that caused us issues first half.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simboy on January 31, 2021, 09:49:31 AM
Interesting comment by him in the post match interview. He said heíd played more than heíd trained recently. I suspect the management and he himself feel he is still off the pace. Heís a clever footballer and I agree he dropped in to solidify the middle more in the second half.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2021, 09:56:19 AM
I think there is a lot more to come from him, he doesnít look quite ready to play in a high tempo press and doesnít seem to cover a lot of ground. But he will get better at it.

Very good with the ball and the other stuff can be worked at, perhaps his greatest asset is that Jack seems to be very happy linking up with him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on January 31, 2021, 10:12:54 AM
Yes, a great relationship with the King on the pitch. Physically, Barkley should be very good at a pressing game, with more miles in his legs we should see the rewards in another months time and when players are starting to flag later in the season he should have a fair few games left in him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 31, 2021, 11:03:32 AM
He's a good footballer, but you just know the second he puts pen to paper he will be injured.  His distribution is better than what I was led to believe but like McGinn his defending and picking the ball up deep are iffy.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on January 31, 2021, 12:10:35 PM
It's not surprising he's playing more than he's training because all the first teamers will be focused on recovering after games while those that didn't play will be training more intensely.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2021, 12:14:15 PM
I really like him but other than the goal I thought he wasn't great yesterday and would have hooked him a lot earlier.

I'm still hopeful he will have a great second half of the season though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: darren woolley on January 31, 2021, 01:23:26 PM
It was a good header by Ross for the goal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 01, 2021, 12:13:28 PM
That goal on Saturday night illustrate why we signed him and he's in the team.
Well played Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on February 02, 2021, 01:25:49 PM
Daily Mail saying that there's been no talks over a permanent deal for Ross Barkley, with Chelsea (and presumably us!) deciding whether he makes a permanent move in the summer.

All in all says absolutely nothing, other than (perhaps) we didn't even attempt to sign him permanently in September.

Link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9214223/Chelsea-wait-end-season-decide-Ross-Barkleys-future-Aston-Villa.html
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dave on February 02, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
Daily Mail saying that there's been no talks over a permanent deal for Ross Barkley, with Chelsea (and presumably us!) deciding whether he makes a permanent move in the summer.

Probably suits all parties really. He's been good, but not "chuck £40m at them to get him tied down quickly" good.

If he, and we carry on our form then he'll probably want to come here and we'll probably want him to.

If we do well and he doesn't, we'll probably want someone else instead of him.

If he does well and we don't, he'll probably have better options than us.

I don't really see a benefit for anyone in committing to it in January.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 02, 2021, 03:58:45 PM
From what I've seen so far, I'd like a permanent deal done, providing it's at the right price. I suspect it will be a case of the wining bid. Chelsea will be hoping to move him on and it's a matter of who else might be interested.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on February 02, 2021, 04:35:32 PM
From what I've seen so far, I'd like a permanent deal done, providing it's at the right price. I suspect it will be a case of the wining bid. Chelsea will be hoping to move him on and it's a matter of who else might be interested.
Tyrone needs to have a word and get him wandering down the Kings Road in full Villa kit when he goes back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 02, 2021, 04:56:30 PM
Problem Chelsea have is that they change their manager so often, they don't dare sell him in case the next one wanted to play him. Our problem is he's missed a chunk of the season with a Hamstring injury and we need to see how long he stays fit during the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on February 02, 2021, 04:57:31 PM
From what I've seen so far, I'd like a permanent deal done, providing it's at the right price. I suspect it will be a case of the wining bid. Chelsea will be hoping to move him on and it's a matter of who else might be interested.
Tyrone needs to have a word and get him wandering down the Kings Road in full Villa kit when he goes back.
Seconded. Barkley is a class act when he's fully on his game and when he and Jack are both in tune teams struggle to deal with them. His injury record remains concern and would have to be factored into any deal the two clubs might agree. I think the signing of Barkley has moved the club up a level. We've progressed from shopping in Tesco and are now shopping in Waitrose. The aim is to be shopping in Harrods. It's coming though ladies and gentlemen. That's why we seem to have gained a lot of haters. We've got em rattled.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 02, 2021, 04:58:46 PM
Daily Mail saying that there's been no talks over a permanent deal for Ross Barkley, with Chelsea (and presumably us!) deciding whether he makes a permanent move in the summer.

All in all says absolutely nothing, other than (perhaps) we didn't even attempt to sign him permanently in September.

Link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9214223/Chelsea-wait-end-season-decide-Ross-Barkleys-future-Aston-Villa.html
We need to play it cool. Need to see how Morgan performs when he gets his chance and also consider Rossís long term injury outlook.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2021, 05:54:38 PM
Jack wasn't going to get a new contract and then all of a sudden he got one. It is well documented how quickly it happened. I assume they are keeping tabs on Ross, how he plays, whether he wants to stay, whether Chelsea want him back or not with a new manager who wil want his own players. Any number of things will change between now and the end of the season. I imagine if we want him and he wants to stay we could work something out for someone who was a fringe player for them.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2021, 06:51:45 PM
Problem Chelsea have is that they change their manager so often, they don't dare sell him in case the next one wanted to play him. Our problem is he's missed a chunk of the season with a Hamstring injury and we need to see how long he stays fit during the rest of the season.
agree if he can stay fit then fine but another breakdown and I think he will be off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2021, 06:57:40 PM
Iíd like him to stay, he definitely adds to our team/squad, but I also hope weíre at a position if he does stay, but heís not quite on his game we donít keep picking him in the first 11 regardless because of who he is.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 02, 2021, 07:46:20 PM
Reading between the lines perhaps Dean Smith has reservations over the whole package.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on February 02, 2021, 08:30:46 PM
There are a few variables that make it a difficult one to call. With any prospective signing you have to consider the fee, wages, role in the team and impact on the squad (positive or negative) and who else is available.

Though with Barkley you also have to factor in:
1. Fitness - can he be kept fit?
2. Attitude/motivation
3. Relationship with key players

For me, 2 and 3 are really important. He looks keen because the next six months probably determine his earning potential and playing involvement for a number of years because he (most likely) won't get in the Chelsea first team.

Any deal has to be well structured because big money without the right incentives and he could be a very different proposition.

I wouldn't ordinarily favour players having undue influence, though his relationship with Grealish seems very strong and if having him at Villa increases the prospect of Grealish being happy, then that also becomes part of the equation. UTV
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 03, 2021, 09:47:08 PM
He was shocking tonight. Lightweight, easily muscled off the ball. Poor passing. Lethargic.

I know he's been injured but if he's fit enough to be selected then he has to be better than what he's shown tonight.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2021, 09:49:43 PM
He's been gash since he came back from injury.  Good goal at the weekend but his all round play has been terrible.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 03, 2021, 09:51:24 PM
A Danny Drinkwater kind of performance.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 03, 2021, 09:52:59 PM
Is he aware this isn't walking football? The only nice thing I can say is he wasn't the worst player out there tonight.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on February 03, 2021, 10:01:28 PM
Thereís no way he starts at the weekend after that ďeffortĒ.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2021, 10:03:18 PM
Since his injury he has been fucking shite.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2021, 10:04:02 PM
Can't play in combative games where Jack is marked out of it. Sorry, but if that happens again this season Ross should go off in the first half Mourinho-style.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 03, 2021, 10:04:45 PM
Seemed to be running in treacle tonight. Iím far from convinced.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2021, 10:06:59 PM
With them doubling up on Jack, this was made for him tonight, but he rivalled Martinez for most inept performer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bryan on February 03, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
Not a fan as I said after the game with burnley. We lose more than we win with him in the side and we concede far more goals to accommodate him.

If heís not fit, he should not start.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 03, 2021, 10:08:32 PM
Woeful tonight.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on February 03, 2021, 10:08:41 PM
With them doubling up on Jack, this was made for him tonight, but he rivalled Martinez for most inept performer.

And he has a lot less goodwill in the bank than Martinez.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PhilVill on February 03, 2021, 10:09:04 PM
Big no from me, sorry chaps. Give me two hungry champ players for that money every day.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2021, 10:11:14 PM
We know he's not good enough without the ball but he combined that with being woeful with it tonight, did well to last as long as he did. How he had the cheek to complain at his being subbed is laughable.

Just not fit enough for the side
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 03, 2021, 10:13:24 PM
It's a no from me as well. We know he can be a decent player on his day but we're not in a position to carry someone whose days come around so rarely.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on February 03, 2021, 10:14:14 PM
Good player when chips are good.

Not someone I want permanently. IF he had become the player he should have he would be a Champs League regular. File him next to Wilshere and DannyBoy Sturridge in 3 years time. Lingard will be there too
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 03, 2021, 10:14:19 PM
File under luxury player, not for me either.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 03, 2021, 10:15:14 PM
Seemed to be running in treacle tonight. Iím far from convinced.

Reminded me of Ross McCormack. Carrying timber too. Disgraceful lack of effort without the ball. Didn't try a leg when moved to a midfield three. Not sure where this guy gets his ego from but he certainly isn't good enough with the ball to get away with his walking efforts without it. Throwing a bit of a strop getting taken off too, stayed on 15 mins too long for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2021, 10:16:06 PM
To be fair he wasn't the only one to have a stinker tonight, most did. And we were still not as terrible as we've seen in other seasons
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 03, 2021, 10:32:53 PM
He's the new David Bentley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Steve67 on February 03, 2021, 11:08:33 PM
I know he has been out injured for a few games but we are now over half a season in and he has had what, three good games in that period? He really needs to be far more consistent if we are going to shell out the kind of money that he will cost us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 03, 2021, 11:13:25 PM
Not for me. There will be better options for 20million plus.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2021, 11:15:51 PM
In terms of consistency of performance and his injury record, against his likely wages, it's a no from me.  Shame, he's got it in him to be a brilliant player, but you can see why at the age of 27 he's never really nailed it anywhere.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2021, 11:19:42 PM
Donít really see the need to make a decision now. When heís been on it heís been excellent, but at the moment heís not. He strikes me as an instinctual player, but heís out of form and heís over thinking and ponderous at the moment. Hopefully he can rediscover his spark in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 03, 2021, 11:24:05 PM
A bit of a tough ask to come back in and play as many games as he has in a short space of time, but he looked very sluggish tonight especially in comparison to Lingard.  Can't help but think Grealish or McGinn would be more effective in that role at the moment. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2021, 11:24:55 PM
And when he do something of class, that brilliantly weighted ball to an unmarked Jack, he inexplicably miscontrols.

Good thing these days is that the sports science team should be able to see if his physical stats are improving.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 03, 2021, 11:37:48 PM
Barkley was poor tonight but so weíre the rest of them. Letís wait till the end of the season before rushing did judge him. Heís a quality player in my opinion. The comparisons with McCormack and Drinkwater are just baffling, itís almost as if people want him to fail
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on February 03, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
What I would say to anyone writing him off, or saying we shouldnít sign him, is that he has only played ten games for us. And been pretty good in  a handful of them.

Maybe it wonít work out, but I think players like Trezeguet, Targett and Luiz showed last season that you need to give it a bit longer. Itís different obviously; he is older, playing in a better and more settled team but I still
think Iíll be giving him a bit longer before making any final judgment.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 03, 2021, 11:43:14 PM
As a fanbase the qualities we seem to admire most in a player are workrate and effort, for reasons of fitness or other, he isn't showing quite enough yet.

I still think he'll improve with games, he's class. Mostly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2021, 12:34:23 AM
As a fanbase the qualities we seem to admire most in a player are workrate and effort, for reasons of fitness or other, he isn't showing quite enough yet.

I still think he'll improve with games, he's class. Mostly.

He doesn't need more games to improve his workrate though. That should be the bare minimum expected even if having a stinker. Barkley seems to think it's beneath him for whatever reason. Might be the reason he has never progressed past promising in his career.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave17 on February 04, 2021, 04:59:25 AM
I really like him and get the impression he likes it with us. Itís it rocket science to see he needs careful management which is the obvious worry. Chelsea will clearly want 30-40m and for 15-25 games a season that money might be better spent elsewhere
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Luke8 on February 04, 2021, 07:08:12 AM
I really like him and get the impression he likes it with us. Itís it rocket science to see he needs careful management which is the obvious worry. Chelsea will clearly want 30-40m and for 15-25 games a season that money might be better spent elsewhere

Iím not sure his injury record is that bad is it? Since his really bad injury, he was in the matchday squad 28 times last season and 36 the season before that (in just the Premier League) and may well make 32 appearances this season.

Itís a factor, and Iím certain the club will monitor it, but again itís a case of see how it goes and evaluate based on the whole season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2021, 09:03:45 AM
He's a fantastic player but still struggling post injury.  I think Smith is trying to play him into form as he knows the impact he can have when he's firing.  But it's hard work watching him struggle like he has the last two games.

I honestly don't know what I'd do.  It's ok trying to nurse a player back to form when the team is mostly playing well and winning, but we're struggling to carry him at the moment.  I suspect he'll start against Arsenal and hopefully playing a 'big team' will get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 04, 2021, 09:12:44 AM
I really like him and get the impression he likes it with us. Itís it rocket science to see he needs careful management which is the obvious worry. Chelsea will clearly want 30-40m and for 15-25 games a season that money might be better spent elsewhere

I wouldn't be going anywhere near him for £30-£40m!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 04, 2021, 09:51:17 AM
I dont see the point buying a player that needs careful management, If his injuries are such then why would hire someone that is going to spend more time in the treatment room than on the training pitch.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 04, 2021, 09:58:12 AM
Did he look a bit mardy when he went off?  Took about ten minutes to walk round the pitch.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2021, 09:59:18 AM
Probably just pissed off we were losing and he knew he hadn't pulled up trees.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Martin Carruthers on February 04, 2021, 10:02:04 AM
Is he that injury prone? He's missed a decent percentage of matches for us, but from one injury. I've never considered him to be particularly injury prone before, but I haven't followed his career that closely.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 04, 2021, 10:06:21 AM
Did he look a bit mardy when he went off?  Took about ten minutes to walk round the pitch.

I wonder if that had anything to do with southgate in the stands. If he ain't doing it for Villa, he won't be doing it for england.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: in exile on February 04, 2021, 10:49:43 AM
Is he that injury prone? He's missed a decent percentage of matches for us, but from one injury...
His recovery rate seems to be slow, imo.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2021, 12:13:22 PM
Did he look a bit mardy when he went off?  Took about ten minutes to walk round the pitch.

I wonder if that had anything to do with southgate in the stands. If he ain't doing it for Villa, he won't be doing it for england.

I think Barkley is very much deluded if he thinks he is anywhere near the standard of the players England have in his position. You simply can't afford to take a chance on him in a midfield three. This clip was shared online last night but he has been at this all season off the ball, those defeats from Leeds and Soton I think he made the same carbon copy lack of effort that cost us goals
https://twitter.com/ChipEighteen/status/1357102820260995072?s=08

If he wants an armchair ride at 10, he is up against the likes of Madison and Jack who are streets ahead of him. If he starts focusing on becoming a regular EPL midfielder capable of playing 8 or 10, he has an awful lot of improving to do based on recent seasons.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 04, 2021, 12:20:12 PM
He's playing more than training right now. That says it all to me. He needs a breather on Saturday I reckon, perhaps bring him on if needed later in the game. Let him train and then try him again. He's quality and will show it again for us.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 04, 2021, 12:23:18 PM
Lindgard went past him in the pecking order last night.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: nick harper on February 04, 2021, 12:28:32 PM
Did he look a bit mardy when he went off?  Took about ten minutes to walk round the pitch.

I wonder if that had anything to do with southgate in the stands. If he ain't doing it for Villa, he won't be doing it for england.

I think Barkley is very much deluded if he thinks he is anywhere near the standard of the players England have in his position. You simply can't afford to take a chance on him in a midfield three. This clip was shared online last night but he has been at this all season off the ball, those defeats from Leeds and Soton I think he made the same carbon copy lack of effort that cost us goals
https://twitter.com/ChipEighteen/status/1357102820260995072?s=08

If he wants an armchair ride at 10, he is up against the likes of Madison and Jack who are streets ahead of him. If he starts focusing on becoming a regular EPL midfielder capable of playing 8 or 10, he has an awful lot of improving to do based on recent seasons.

And what did you make of his goal v Southampton?
Or his goal Vs Leicester
Match Winner

Tracking runners from midfield is basic stuff and a minimum requirement as a midfielder. We know he can score goals but that is a real dereliction of his responsibilities to his team mates.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 04, 2021, 12:33:33 PM
Put simply: he doesn't do enough to justify the undoubtedly-inflated price tag that Chelsea will ask of us.
Against a solid 2-man holding midfield of Rice and Soucek, he was ineffectual.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2021, 12:37:38 PM
Did he look a bit mardy when he went off?  Took about ten minutes to walk round the pitch.

I wonder if that had anything to do with southgate in the stands. If he ain't doing it for Villa, he won't be doing it for england.

I think Barkley is very much deluded if he thinks he is anywhere near the standard of the players England have in his position. You simply can't afford to take a chance on him in a midfield three. This clip was shared online last night but he has been at this all season off the ball, those defeats from Leeds and Soton I think he made the same carbon copy lack of effort that cost us goals
https://twitter.com/ChipEighteen/status/1357102820260995072?s=08

If he wants an armchair ride at 10, he is up against the likes of Madison and Jack who are streets ahead of him. If he starts focusing on becoming a regular EPL midfielder capable of playing 8 or 10, he has an awful lot of improving to do based on recent seasons.

And what did you make of his goal v Southampton?
Or his goal Vs Leicester
Match Winner

Nice goals for sure footy. But in truth he didn't play particularly well in either of those games. He was a complete passenger at Soton up to that goal. His best game for us by far was at Arsenal I think. I don't think we are good enough to carry his lack of workrate without the ball, especially if someone like Traore is also in the team. We got away with it at Soton when we were screaming for changes.

They aren't helped that our midfield two haven't been in great form for some time now. They aren't playing like a pair and whether it was per instruction from the sideline or just indiscipline but McGinn particularly was too far ahead of the ball last night. We need a solid two in there to hold their positions.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 04, 2021, 12:42:32 PM
Did he look a bit mardy when he went off?  Took about ten minutes to walk round the pitch.

I wonder if that had anything to do with southgate in the stands. If he ain't doing it for Villa, he won't be doing it for england.

I think Barkley is very much deluded if he thinks he is anywhere near the standard of the players England have in his position. You simply can't afford to take a chance on him in a midfield three. This clip was shared online last night but he has been at this all season off the ball, those defeats from Leeds and Soton I think he made the same carbon copy lack of effort that cost us goals
https://twitter.com/ChipEighteen/status/1357102820260995072?s=08

If he wants an armchair ride at 10, he is up against the likes of Madison and Jack who are streets ahead of him. If he starts focusing on becoming a regular EPL midfielder capable of playing 8 or 10, he has an awful lot of improving to do based on recent seasons.

And what did you make of his goal v Southampton?
Or his goal Vs Leicester
Match Winner

Nice goals for sure footy. But in truth he didn't play particularly well in either of those games. He was a complete passenger at Soton up to that goal. His best game for us by far was at Arsenal I think. I don't think we are good enough to carry his lack of workrate without the ball, especially if someone like Traore is also in the team. We got away with it at Soton when we were screaming for changes.

They aren't helped that our midfield two haven't been in great form for some time now. They aren't playing like a pair and whether it was per instruction from the sideline or just indiscipline but McGinn particularly was too far ahead of the ball last night. We need a solid two in there to hold their positions.

I inferred from Smith's post match comments that this was instructed:
Quote


ďIíll have to reflect, I changed the system a little bit here, just tweaked it and went one and the two in midfield, upon reflection, a two and one probably would have suited us better. And Ross as well as a No.10.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2021, 01:42:59 PM
Did he look a bit mardy when he went off?  Took about ten minutes to walk round the pitch.

I wonder if that had anything to do with southgate in the stands. If he ain't doing it for Villa, he won't be doing it for england.

I think Barkley is very much deluded if he thinks he is anywhere near the standard of the players England have in his position. You simply can't afford to take a chance on him in a midfield three. This clip was shared online last night but he has been at this all season off the ball, those defeats from Leeds and Soton I think he made the same carbon copy lack of effort that cost us goals
https://twitter.com/ChipEighteen/status/1357102820260995072?s=08

If he wants an armchair ride at 10, he is up against the likes of Madison and Jack who are streets ahead of him. If he starts focusing on becoming a regular EPL midfielder capable of playing 8 or 10, he has an awful lot of improving to do based on recent seasons.

And what did you make of his goal v Southampton?
Or his goal Vs Leicester
Match Winner

Nice goals for sure footy. But in truth he didn't play particularly well in either of those games. He was a complete passenger at Soton up to that goal. His best game for us by far was at Arsenal I think. I don't think we are good enough to carry his lack of workrate without the ball, especially if someone like Traore is also in the team. We got away with it at Soton when we were screaming for changes.

They aren't helped that our midfield two haven't been in great form for some time now. They aren't playing like a pair and whether it was per instruction from the sideline or just indiscipline but McGinn particularly was too far ahead of the ball last night. We need a solid two in there to hold their positions.

I inferred from Smith's post match comments that this was instructed:
Quote


ďIíll have to reflect, I changed the system a little bit here, just tweaked it and went one and the two in midfield, upon reflection, a two and one probably would have suited us better. And Ross as well as a No.10.

Was that change just after half time? We certainly looked to be playing a flat midfield three in the second half (McGinn/Luiz, Barkley). Didn't work anyway.

Thought it looked a standard midfield two in the first half but they were all over us in midfield throughout.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 04, 2021, 02:05:09 PM
I think the plan was for Barkley and McGinn to press high and engage Soucek and Rice. Leaving Luiz spare to track the runs of Lingard.

So...                                                    Rather than

Grealish Watkins El Ghazi          Grealish Watkins El Ghazi 
    Barkley McGinn                                    Barkley
            Luiz                                          McGinn Luiz

It was difficult to see what we doing to be honest. I did wonder why McGinn of all people was starting the press last night on occasion. Given that Barkley didn't seem to be tracking anyone...

It ended up being more Leftover Turkey than Christmas Tree formation!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2021, 02:06:36 PM
Whatever the plans were, not one of them were put into action. We didn't get hold of Lingard once all evening, and Rice and Soucek will rarely have an easier evening.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 04, 2021, 02:07:40 PM
The difference between Lingard and Barkley last night was night and day and highlights what we should be looking to get from a number 10. I started the night from quite a neutral viewpoint but I finished it thinking we must be able to do better for that position in the summer. For one, Lingard already looks like he would have been the better bet last summer if Solskjaer was prepared to let him go.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 04, 2021, 02:12:22 PM
Barkley is often a barometer for how we play. When he makes an impact Villa are awesome. But when he's awful so are Villa.
He needs to show more urgency off the ball, at the moment its just jockeying and jogging. If he can't win it make the foul don't let people just ghost past.
The good thing is he can learn the bits that are missing. Luiz was similar last season and Traore in his first few games.
Someone really needs to have the chat with him. He's 27 If he doesn't makes a success of this loan there is no way he is going back to chelsea's first team, he'll be sold to a fulham, west brom or at best/worst newcastle.  Look at Henri Lansbury, It's a short career Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2021, 02:31:42 PM
The difference between Lingard and Barkley last night was night and day and highlights what we should be looking to get from a number 10. I started the night from quite a neutral viewpoint but I finished it thinking we must be able to do better for that position in the summer. For one, Lingard already looks like he would have been the better bet last summer if Solskjaer was prepared to let him go.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves with Lingard. Last two seasons for United, he got 5 goals in 50 odd league games. His career has been big time on the drift and hasnt been getting a kick with United this season so far. Similar enough age/profile to Barkley really. Martinez helped his two goals into the net last night. Fair play to him, he did very well. Barkley scored for us on his debut too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2021, 03:12:19 PM
The difference between Lingard and Barkley last night was night and day and highlights what we should be looking to get from a number 10. I started the night from quite a neutral viewpoint but I finished it thinking we must be able to do better for that position in the summer. For one, Lingard already looks like he would have been the better bet last summer if Solskjaer was prepared to let him go.
So you've drawn the conclusion from one game that Lingard would have been a better bet than Barkley last summer?  Entitely reasonable to draw your conclusion from such a large pool of evidence.  I presume you've similarly concluded that Marinez is rubbish and Jack not all he's cracked up to be?

Remind me, how did Barkley play in his first game for Villa?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 04, 2021, 03:34:09 PM
You're quite right to say that it remains to be seen as to whether Lingard just had a very good debut or whether it was just a good start to a 6-month loan.

However, I have had 6 months of watching Barkley, while he's been fit and he can be very passive. He has a really good relationship with Grealish which is a big pro but I would want to see more from him from the second half of the season before I would pay out what Chelsea will demand for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 04, 2021, 03:35:06 PM
I still wouldn't take lingard on a free !!!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 04, 2021, 03:46:24 PM
I think the plan was for Barkley and McGinn to press high and engage Soucek and Rice. Leaving Luiz spare to track the runs of Lingard.

So...                                                    Rather than

Grealish Watkins El Ghazi          Grealish Watkins El Ghazi 
    Barkley McGinn                                    Barkley
            Luiz                                          McGinn Luiz
It was difficult to see what we doing to be honest. I did wonder why McGinn of all people was starting the press last night on occasion. Given that Barkley didn't seem to be tracking anyone...
It ended up being more Leftover Turkey than Christmas Tree formation!
All well and good.
Except WHU didn't read the script: they had Benrhama and Lingaard running the channels, going wide and generally moving into the spaces outside the congested middle. This left our midfield out of shape.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 04, 2021, 06:18:17 PM
You're quite right to say that it remains to be seen as to whether Lingard just had a very good debut or whether it was just a good start to a 6-month loan.

However, I have had 6 months of watching Barkley, while he's been fit and he can be very passive. He has a really good relationship with Grealish which is a big pro but I would want to see more from him from the second half of the season before I would pay out what Chelsea will demand for him.
Not wanting to pay what Chelsea might want for him and suggesting Lingard already looks like he would have been the better bet last summer are entirely diferent points.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 04, 2021, 06:45:36 PM
Barkley clearly isn't fit enough at the moment
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 04, 2021, 08:19:21 PM
I think Barkley is somewhere between not being fit enough and lacking a work ethic in the role he is expected to perform in the system. He needs to up his game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 04, 2021, 08:23:42 PM
lacking work ethic? Where did you get that from? He said in an interview the other day he's played more games than had training sessions. How do you suppose that would affect him at PL level?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 04, 2021, 08:31:58 PM
lacking work ethic? Where did you get that from? He said in an interview the other day he's played more games than had training sessions. How do you suppose that would affect him at PL level?
based on last night, pretty badly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 04, 2021, 08:55:29 PM
lacking work ethic? Where did you get that from? He said in an interview the other day he's played more games than had training sessions. How do you suppose that would affect him at PL level?

He could always try and track an opponents run from midfield. Just a thought
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: john2710 on February 04, 2021, 08:59:15 PM
He's going to cost top dollar, a 3 year deal & a salary to match. He'll have little or no sell on value at 30+.

He's got undoubted talent but doesn't seem to have the interest to do it on a consistent basis.

Injury record also casts doubt on whether he's worth the risk.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 04, 2021, 09:02:03 PM
lacking work ethic? Where did you get that from? He said in an interview the other day he's played more games than had training sessions. How do you suppose that would affect him at PL level?

I donít think it is unreasonable to expect that he gets goal side every now and then.  Barkley is the polar opposite of Tommy Johnson and right now I think an all-action player like Johnson, would be better for the team.  In fact I think McGinn in that role could work with Sanson as a number 8. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 04, 2021, 09:52:15 PM
lacking work ethic? Where did you get that from? He said in an interview the other day he's played more games than had training sessions. How do you suppose that would affect him at PL level?

I donít think it is unreasonable to expect that he gets goal side every now and then.  Barkley is the polar opposite of Tommy Johnson and right now I think an all-action player like Johnson, would be better for the team.  In fact I think McGinn in that role could work with Sanson as a number 8. 

Yep we ahvent quite got this 6,8,10 thing worked out yet. Are we two sixes and a 10, a 6, 8 and 10 or a two 8s and a 10? when it does click and the opposition don't high press its devastating but too often a simple high press fucks us up. Smith has got to find the right balance and the ability to flex it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2021, 11:07:19 AM
In fact I think McGinn in that role could work with Sanson as a number 8. 
I certainly think we are not getting the best out of McGinn, and he would make a better #10 than Barkley currently; in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 05, 2021, 11:34:29 AM
Watkins benefits from having a player play off him, but I don't think that has to be Barkley. Jack could easily play that role. I don't see McGinn as a natural number 10 but he could definitely do a job there. He links up well with Jack and Ollie when given the opportunity and in terms of pressing, interceptions, tackles higher up the pitch he would be excellent with the energy he has.
He would be a nuisance for any defender attempting to play out.
The unknown element for me at the moment is Sanson, but it's certainly worth trying. Barkley as an impact sub could be very effective.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 05, 2021, 11:45:02 AM
I don't see McGinn as a number 10 and when Barkley was out injured, I thought Jack looked better on the left with some freedom to come inside.

If not Barkley, I think we will need to look outside the club in the summer. Someone with the athleticism and work ethic that matches the side, presses and gets plenty of goals and assists.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 05, 2021, 11:59:45 AM
Watkins benefits from having a player play off him, but I don't think that has to be Barkley. Jack could easily play that role. I don't see McGinn as a natural number 10 but he could definitely do a job there. He links up well with Jack and Ollie when given the opportunity and in terms of pressing, interceptions, tackles higher up the pitch he would be excellent with the energy he has.
He would be a nuisance for any defender attempting to play out.
The unknown element for me at the moment is Sanson, but it's certainly worth trying. Barkley as an impact sub could be very effective.

McGinn played at 10 towards the end of last season, granted he wasn't fully fit, but he wasn't great there. He has had many fine game sitting next to Luiz (Chelsea stands out) this season but it has been mixed with some very average performances too. I don't think he is overly comfortable taking the ball under pressure from the back, lacks tactical discipline (as does Luiz) and seems happier breaking onto the ball higher up the pitch. I think in off the right wing might actually be his best position in a 4231 but Smith didn't buy Traore to sit on the bench.

Maybe it's as simple as likes of Luiz, McGinn, Barkley all need to improve particularly without the ball. We need to go back to two sitting midfielders asap as Smith referred to post game. Let's see what a game sitting on the bench does for a couple of them on Saturday. If I recall when McGinn was dropped previously in the championship (infamous Blues game), he came on that day, changed the game and his form kicked on big time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ktvillan on February 05, 2021, 12:22:51 PM
Even if Barkley can improve his efforts without the ball he might not represent good value for money as a permanent signing compared to younger players - e.g Brooks. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: fredm on February 05, 2021, 12:39:35 PM
Dont forget Ramsey will be another 6 months older in August, will have filled out more physically and also (hopefully) developed his game through interaction within the squad. Also are there anymore younger players who could take a position on the bench?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 05, 2021, 12:49:05 PM
Dont forget Ramsey will be another 6 months older in August, will have filled out more physically and also (hopefully) developed his game through interaction within the squad. Also are there anymore younger players who could take a position on the bench?

Aaron Ramsay, Chukwuemeka and Philogene-Bidace have been training with the first team squad for a while now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 05, 2021, 01:08:40 PM
Dont forget Ramsey will be another 6 months older in August, will have filled out more physically and also (hopefully) developed his game through interaction within the squad. Also are there anymore younger players who could take a position on the bench?

...Chukwuemeka and Philogene-Bidace have been training with the first team squad for a while now.

That's easy for you to say.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2021, 01:33:35 PM
Watkins benefits from having a player play off him, but I don't think that has to be Barkley. Jack could easily play that role. I don't see McGinn as a natural number 10 but he could definitely do a job there. He links up well with Jack and Ollie when given the opportunity and in terms of pressing, interceptions, tackles higher up the pitch he would be excellent with the energy he has.
He would be a nuisance for any defender attempting to play out.
The unknown element for me at the moment is Sanson, but it's certainly worth trying. Barkley as an impact sub could be very effective.
Agree with this.

I'm a fan of Barkley but I don't think we'll know until towards the end of the season if he's right for us / worth the money or not.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 05, 2021, 01:39:57 PM
Dont forget Ramsey will be another 6 months older in August, will have filled out more physically and also (hopefully) developed his game through interaction within the squad. Also are there anymore younger players who could take a position on the bench?

...Chukwuemeka and Philogene-Bidace have been training with the first team squad for a while now.

That's easy for you to say.



I do need to Google it to get the spelling right :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on February 06, 2021, 08:59:22 AM
I'm on the fence with Barkley. It's been difficult with him coming back from injury straight in to a congested set of fixtures, so whilst he's not been up to standard I wouldn't be too harsh on him over that. Like a few others, I'd wait until the end of the season.

My gut feeling at the moment is that he's done a job - our midfield is stronger with him in the squad. When he's on form he's fantastic, but he's not put those performances in regularly enough to justify spending more on him than you would on a standard squad filler. If, come the end of the season, he's having a Trez/Dougie style renaissance I'd be all over him though. We do need a player *like* him, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ad@m on February 06, 2021, 01:11:46 PM
He's starting to piss me off now.

I don't know whether he thinks he too good to work hard or he's unfit but he just looks like he's being lazy.

Whatever the answer he needs dropping. At the moment we've got better on the bench.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on February 06, 2021, 01:27:32 PM
He's starting to piss me off now.

I don't know whether he thinks he too good to work hard or he's unfit but he just looks like he's being lazy.

Whatever the answer he needs dropping. At the moment we've got better on the bench.

I donít know what position he is supposed to be playing tbh. He provides no support to Ollie nor links the play
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 06, 2021, 02:34:32 PM
Same as usual today, shows flashes of absolute class but doesn't get involved enough in showing for the ball and his work without it leaves a little to be desired.

Also for a physically big lad, he gets knocked off the ball more than he should
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2021, 02:37:35 PM
I hope that kick when going off was just frustration with his own performance, because if it was a show of petulance to Smith, he can fuck off back to Chelsea.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 06, 2021, 02:39:25 PM
I hope that kick when going off was just frustration with his own performance, because if it was a show of petulance to Smith, he can fuck off back to Chelsea.

Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but somebody needs to have a word. He's not going to win a popularity contest with 40,000 of us if he disses Dean.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 06, 2021, 02:42:01 PM
Not doing it for me at all. He can keep his petulance to himself. He had 70 odd minutes more than I would have given him today.
A passenger without the ball. Ok when on it but this doesn't happen often enough. I'd sooner Ramsey or Sanson in there than someone who appears to think he's something he's not
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 06, 2021, 02:44:24 PM
Looks a good player when heís in and around the opponents penalty area. Extremely passive though when it comes to the large expanse of midfield.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 06, 2021, 02:44:54 PM
Taking Barkley off and replacing him with more energy meant we could press higher and win the ball in dangerous situations. Almost resulted in a couple of late goals.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on February 06, 2021, 02:50:07 PM
Overall he is playing his part in a team exceeding expectations. He was worth signing and at the end of it if we arenít happy we walk away.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 06, 2021, 02:55:45 PM
Same as usual today, shows flashes of absolute class but doesn't get involved enough in showing for the ball and his work without it leaves a little to be desired.

Also for a physically big lad, he gets knocked off the ball more than he should

He isnít giving us that energy we need in that position at the moment.  It may be that heís struggling with his sharpness after his injury, but we need someone buzzing around and putting pressure on the opposition.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Steve67 on February 06, 2021, 02:59:22 PM
It will be interesting to know what the bottle kicking was about when he was substituted. Is he disappointed with his performance? Is he fed up by being taken off when he didnít feel he deserve to? Or, does he think heís far too good to be taken off for the likes of Aston Villa football club? If itís the latter, I think he will find that we have caught him up and he has stood still, which is why he is with us in the first place!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 06, 2021, 03:05:49 PM
It will be interesting to know what the bottle kicking was about when he was substituted. Is he disappointed with his performance? Is he fed up by being taken off when he didnít feel he deserve to? Or, does he think heís far too good to be taken off for the likes of Aston Villa football club? If itís the latter, I think he will find that we have caught him up and he has stood still, which is why he is with us in the first place!

He had a right sulk when taken off against Newcastle and West Ham too. Time for a spell on the bench. The guy is deluded about his ability as a footballer, reality check watching others from the bench might help focus his mind. Where does his career go if we don't sign him? Chelsea definitely won't want him back....he's looking at a bottom half team for sure to take him on.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Moonraker on February 06, 2021, 03:12:50 PM
I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt; he's had a poor game and disappointed with himself so he lashed out - he is a quality player, lets judge him at the end of the season and make a decision then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 06, 2021, 03:13:04 PM
The players will be aware of their stats and what the manager expects of them. He's frustrated he isn't doing better.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on February 06, 2021, 03:17:22 PM
I'd be more disappointed if he came off smiling and laughing. He's a quality player and the additional competition from the likes of Sansom, should spur him on to better performances.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 06, 2021, 03:18:55 PM
Barkley was quite right to be very annoyed with himself.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2021, 03:19:31 PM
Barkley was quite right to be very annoyed with himself.

If indeed that's what it was. I can't prove it, but I suspect not.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on February 06, 2021, 03:19:59 PM
I agree he showed he cares about playing for this football club. But, and here is the sting in the tail, Iíve seen enough from young Jacob to suggest heís as good as Barkley was at his age, and heís only going to get better so Iím not sure I would spend £30m and end up stifling a potentially even bigger talent
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Goldenballs on February 06, 2021, 03:29:29 PM
Stroppy mare. I don't think he was frustrated with himself, I think he was being a cock.

Obviously I don't expect him to be skipping and giggling as he comes off, but if you're largely a passenger for 80 mins you're going to be subbed. Especially if we're trying to improve the size and quality of the squad, and potentially compete in Europe.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 06, 2021, 03:37:07 PM
I know he can play and has had some good moments for us but thereís a question mark lurking
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on February 06, 2021, 04:06:48 PM
Agreed that Iíd be annoyed if he came off laughing after another average performance.

We may never know why he actually kicked the bottle, but Deanís reaction said it all, and is good enough for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 06, 2021, 04:10:34 PM
Where can I find data on his distance covered, number of sprints, etc?

Itíd be interesting to compare him versus the other midfielders, and players in that 10 position, as he seems to be on his heels a lot of the time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 06, 2021, 04:13:08 PM
He's sulked every time he's come off. I think it's arrogance more than being annoyed with himself. He comes across as being not the most articulate in interviews. His arse is bigger than McGinn's but he doesn't make the most of it. Ironically, he is a bit of an arse. I'd rather spend £40m on someone better in the summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2021, 04:15:17 PM
I think heís frustrated in himself that he is not showing the player he is. Be it through fitness or just form. Probably both.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 06, 2021, 05:07:03 PM
Acting "Billy Big Bollocks" - get rid , there has to be better options at a lower asking price - none of my Evertonian mates miss him  a great deal
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Matt C on February 06, 2021, 05:08:07 PM
Started the second half well but faded and it was the right substitution (although I expected Luiz to come on). Just looks annoyed with himself that heís not playing as well as he can.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 06, 2021, 05:10:20 PM
I think heís frustrated in himself that he is not showing the player he is. Be it through fitness or just form. Probably both.

I concur.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 06, 2021, 05:12:00 PM
Jack had a bit of a strop at being subbed against Newcastle. Nobody was saying 'get rid' then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2021, 05:16:09 PM
Jack had a bit of a strop at being subbed against Newcastle. Nobody was saying 'get rid' then.

You can't honestly think that the two situations are in any way comparable? 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on February 06, 2021, 05:18:38 PM
So he kicked something when he got subbed, so what? He may have been disappointed that he didn't score or that he thought he could have played better. Nothing to see here really.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 06, 2021, 05:20:08 PM
Jack had a bit of a strop at being subbed against Newcastle. Nobody was saying 'get rid' then.
Jack is consistently excellent and was obviously upset he wasn't playing at his high standard .......Ross needs to up his ante  and do more " off the ball" - unless of course he isn't match fit in which case Smith is right to sub him for fresh legs
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 06, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
A player being unhappy about being subbed? Only pointing out the inconsistency of it. As some have said, I would be more annoyed if I saw a player laughing and smiling at being subbed after not having a good game. I'm on the fence about Barkley and will see how he does for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 06, 2021, 05:22:21 PM
So he kicked something when he got subbed, so what? He may have been disappointed that he didn't score or that he thought he could have played better. Nothing to see here really.

That he kicked the bottle doesn't matter. That there's nothing to see from his performances does.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on February 06, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
So he kicked something when he got subbed, so what? He may have been disappointed that he didn't score or that he thought he could have played better. Nothing to see here really.
Spot on clampy. Who knows why he reacted the way he did?  Disappointed in his performance?  Disappointed being took off when he thought he was doing ok? Who knows. I'm just happy that he cares
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on February 06, 2021, 05:27:06 PM
I thought he did ok. He should have done a lot better with that chance early in the second half mind.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on February 06, 2021, 05:28:35 PM
So he kicked something when he got subbed, so what? He may have been disappointed that he didn't score or that he thought he could have played better. Nothing to see here really.
Spot on clampy. Who knows why he reacted the way he did?  Disappointed in his performance?  Disappointed being took off when he thought he was doing ok? Who knows. I'm just happy that he cares

Exactly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 06, 2021, 05:28:38 PM
Where we want to go 'doing ok' wont cut it and he needs to be told that. Also needs to be told that we simply cant accommodate too many players who contribute nothing defensively, if he, Traore or others aren't doing it going forward either, then we need to make changes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 06, 2021, 05:29:00 PM
Heís a good player, not playing well. Compare him to say the abomination that was Drinkwater, former good player, who didnít give a shit. Barclay seems, like others have said, frustrated, he just has to play himself into form, or if he doesnít at some stage heíll be dropped.
He looked liked he meant business in the first 10 of the 2nd half with some lovely play, but then went missing again. I think the miss hit shot from the corner sums up his confidence at the moment. If heís on his game, he fires that in.
Letís see what a week on the training pitch does for him and the others as well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 06, 2021, 05:30:04 PM
Does everyone remember what McGinn looked like at the end of last season coming back in from an injury? Not every player is going to be able to go at 100mph and look the best version of themselves. Ross Barkley is a very good footballer and more than good enough for us. Like every player heís going to have the odd bad game. And players when not entirely fit cannot perform to their peak ability. Doesnít mean he doesnít care.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 06, 2021, 05:30:43 PM
Hmmm, that was a really difficult one to hit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 06, 2021, 05:32:17 PM
Well weíve found another player to kick and blame. It was Mings a bit back and now itís Barkley. And blimey!! Weíre 8th and winning games!!! He, like the rest is clearly knackered and in need of a rest. Yes heís struggling for form but heís clearly a class player and itíll come.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 06, 2021, 05:33:45 PM
You go back and watch the games where he frustrates Jack and Watkins when he doesn't pass it at that specific moment when the momentum is all us. Jack and Ollie both throw their arms in up in a "what the f*ck" was that when he's on the ball. I think he's had 1 assist in 13-14 games now which is gash when he's been told to get close to Ollie.

I said a few pages back, never rated him before there was any sniff of him joining us and I can't just then say I think he's brilliant, always has been just because he now plays for us. I still don't rate him, has little heart on and off the ball for me, arguable over hyped at Everton when England probably had a lack of attacking midfielders and now he's been lapped by a good dozen or so of gifted attacking midfielders.

I think when Sanson gets up and running you may see McGinn given more attacking intent and Sanson in McGinns present role.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 06, 2021, 05:34:00 PM
Hmmm, that was a really difficult one to hit.

Agree. I suppose my point was heís a good enough player to hit that in, even though admittedly it was difficult, heís just off form at the moment. Itís not like heís nearing the end of his career though, players with his talent rarely just turn crap
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 06, 2021, 05:36:23 PM
If he makes the move permanent the fee will be far in excess of anything we have ever paid before, and what all our hard earned ticket money goes on, seems fair to discuss the pros and cons of it then?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on February 06, 2021, 05:38:40 PM
Well weíve found another player to kick and blame. It was Mings a bit back and now itís Barkley. And blimey!! Weíre 8th and winning games!!! He, like the rest is clearly knackered and in need of a rest. Yes heís struggling for form but heís clearly a class player and itíll come.
We seem to need a scapegoat no matter what. I like Barkley I think he's took us up a level.
I'll have
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 06, 2021, 05:39:04 PM
He is not contributing nearly enough to start just because he is available.
If he is not properly fit, then get him properly fit.
Right now I would swap him for Hourihane.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 06, 2021, 06:11:26 PM
Well weíve found another player to kick and blame. It was Mings a bit back and now itís Barkley. And blimey!! Weíre 8th and winning games!!! He, like the rest is clearly knackered and in need of a rest. Yes heís struggling for form but heís clearly a class player and itíll come.
We seem to need a scapegoat no matter what. I like Barkley I think he's took us up a level.
I'll have

Go on, say something about David OíLeary being right, you know youíre dying to.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2021, 06:15:03 PM
 I like the way he kicked the water bottles when he came off shows he cares.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 06, 2021, 06:17:04 PM
He is not contributing nearly enough to start just because he is available.
If he is not properly fit, then get him properly fit.
Right now I would swap him for Hourihane.

Compare him to Jack today. Jack was only ok as per his usual standards but still put in a fair old shift despite being clearly fatigued. Even McGinn who I was disappointed with again finished strongly. Ramsey, Trez, Watkins again proper graft without the ball.

Barkley for whatever reason seems to think that graft and press is beyond him. It's not just a recent fitness issue, he wasnt doing this against the likes of Leeds and Southampton earlier in the season either. The pressure Ramsey applied late on in comparison was like night and day. I think Andy Townsend called it right about Barkley earlier in the season, for every 7 or 8 out of 10, a 3 or 4 tends to follow. If he wants to improve as a player he needs to address that inconsistency, starting with getting fitter, shifting some body weight and taking pride in his work off the ball.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 06, 2021, 06:41:03 PM
He is not contributing nearly enough to start just because he is available.
If he is not properly fit, then get him properly fit.
Right now I would swap him for Hourihane.

Compare him to Jack today. Jack was only ok as per his usual standards but still put in a fair old shift despite being clearly fatigued. Even McGinn who I was disappointed with again finished strongly. Ramsey, Trez, Watkins again proper graft without the ball.

Barkley for whatever reason seems to think that graft and press is beyond him. It's not just a recent fitness issue, he wasnt doing this against the likes of Leeds and Southampton earlier in the season either. The pressure Ramsey applied late on in comparison was like night and day. I think Andy Townsend called it right about Barkley earlier in the season, for every 7 or 8 out of 10, a 3 or 4 tends to follow. If he wants to improve as a player he needs to address that inconsistency, starting with getting fitter, shifting some body weight and taking pride in his work off the ball.
About right.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 06, 2021, 06:48:02 PM
Jack had a bit of a strop at being subbed against Newcastle. Nobody was saying 'get rid' then.

I think itís his general performances thatís attracting the comments, not the reaction to getting subbed.  The fact he is on loan, also raises the ďshould we, wouldnít we?Ē Dilemma each week.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on February 06, 2021, 07:05:29 PM
On the ball he is good, off it, he is anonymous.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: garyellis on February 06, 2021, 07:18:49 PM
On the ball he is good, off it, he is anonymous.
100% agree but surely somebody like JT can read him the tea leaves? I would be interested how much ground he covers in 90 minutes compared with similar style players. He is a special talent but the work rate needs to move up a notch.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 06, 2021, 09:08:11 PM
Well weíve found another player to kick and blame. It was Mings a bit back and now itís Barkley. And blimey!! Weíre 8th and winning games!!! He, like the rest is clearly knackered and in need of a rest. Yes heís struggling for form but heís clearly a class player and itíll come.
We seem to need a scapegoat no matter what. I like Barkley I think he's took us up a level.
I'll have

Go on, say something about David OíLeary being right, you know youíre dying to.

Read some of the comments on this thread and others and tell me different. I thought Barkley played ok today. He was excellent up to his injury and like the rest heís knackered since COVID and his return. Iím saying give him a chance
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 06, 2021, 10:29:20 PM
He's a Premier League Lee Trundle, which is why I think Chelsea will let him go, and for a fair bit less than some figures estimated on here. And it's still up to him to do enough in our shirt to convince Aston Villa to part with that money, if he wants to stay.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on February 06, 2021, 10:54:27 PM
He has had an impact not only through his ability (and he is a very talented player), but also in lifting the game of those around him. Just having that better level of competition raises the whole team. Ditto Traore, whose arrival has coincided with far better form from both El Ghazi and Trezeguet.

I hope we sign him up at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 06, 2021, 11:55:19 PM
He's a Premier League Lee Trundle, which is why I think Chelsea will let him go, and for a fair bit less than some figures estimated on here. And it's still up to him to do enough in our shirt to convince Aston Villa to part with that money, if he wants to stay.

What was the figure ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 07, 2021, 12:07:32 AM
Figures as high as £50m have been mentioned.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 07, 2021, 12:14:34 AM
£5M would be ok.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: nordenvillain on February 07, 2021, 12:17:29 AM
My interpretation of his actions today when subbed was not that he was disappointed with his performance, but that he didn't think that he should have been subbed. He's starting to piss me off with his attitude. he seems to think he only has responsibility as an offensive player. Sorry, have a look at that time in the 2nd half when Watkins raced back 60-70 yards to defend an Arsenal attack. Thinking like that that is not in Barkley's understanding of playing as a member of this Villa team. I shall be disappointed if he starts the next game and instead watches some or all of it from the substitute's bench.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on February 07, 2021, 12:22:16 AM
My problem with him today wasn't him kicking a bottle or anything like that it's that I don't think he knew what he was supposed to do when they had the ball (or if he knew he wasn't doing it) because time and time again Ollie was trying to close their defenders on his own they'd play 2 or 3 passes to by-pass Barkley and then they'd have 3 on 2 in midfield with Barkley hovering in no mans land. If he helps a forward press that's great, if he helps up become a midfield 3 then that's also great but if he doesn't do either it forces Grealish and Traore to do more work to cover for him. I'm sure it's a fitness thing after his injuries because it wasn't happening earlier in the season but it's noticeable how static he is right now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: nordenvillain on February 07, 2021, 12:24:22 AM
Figures as high as £50m have been mentioned.
Gosh, is that how much Chelsea will pay us to have him ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JD on February 07, 2021, 07:33:46 AM
Acting "Billy Big Bollocks" - get rid , there has to be better options at a lower asking price - none of my Evertonian mates miss him  a great deal

Absolutely disagree. I know a few Evertonians who are good friends and they were gutted when he left Everton. They still call him Ross the Rat but think he's a great player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 07, 2021, 07:41:09 AM
Arenít there any stats sites that can show how far he ran compared to the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 07, 2021, 07:59:00 AM
If the season ended tomorrow Iíd still be looking to sign him. Itís a good fit all round. Itís just about the fee for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Jockey Randall on February 07, 2021, 08:06:13 AM
A bit more like it on Saturday. We've seen he can perform to a good level earlier in the season. Just got to get back that level for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 07, 2021, 08:28:28 AM
He mentioned after the Southampton game I think, that he hasnít really be able to train since coming back from injury, I think a reference to the fixture schedule than anything else. It will be better to judge him over the next 3 or 4 games, with a weeks training in between each game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rigadon on February 07, 2021, 08:45:16 AM
He's obviously a quality player but is struggling a it form-wise, which is probably fitness related.  His reaction to being subbed was a bit daft, but I'm sure he knows that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 07, 2021, 08:56:48 AM
I think his reaction was a bit of both to be honest, heís obviously frustrated with his own form but heís pissed off the Manager has subbed him. Iím sure heíll get over it and as others have said with more rest and training time this week, heíll improve over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: john2710 on February 07, 2021, 09:09:28 AM
Heís been a bit hot & cold so far. Undoubted quality but fitness & team attitude may be a concern.

Heís got another 4 months to convince us to spend £30M+ & salary on him. Itís in both his & our interests. If he delivers we could be looking at Europe next season. If he doesnít then heíll be back at Chelsea & I canít see many teams matching anything close to what Chelsea would want.

From a personal point of view Iíd rather Dele Ali. Maybe the club see Ramsey as a better option.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 07, 2021, 09:20:11 AM
Who is the next big thing in the championship who plays in a similar position?

Based on the seamless step-up by Cash and Watkins Iíd happily spend £30m there. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on February 07, 2021, 09:25:03 AM
Who is the next big thing in the championship who plays in a similar position?

Based on the seamless step-up by Cash and Watkins Iíd happily spend £30m there. 

He's just signed permanently for West Ham (Benrahma).  Though you could probably make a case for Cantwell or Buendia from Norwich? I wouldn't pay £30m for those though.

One thing I am pretty confident of though, is that our scouting network is paying very close attention to the Championship, given the success we've had recruiting from there (you could argue our entire back four was signed off the back of their performances in the Championship).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: DB on February 07, 2021, 10:37:11 AM
So far for us he has provided game changing moments, but not game changing performances. He will.pop up with a goal or odd pass to create a chance but over 90mins he is not consistent enough for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Baldy on February 07, 2021, 10:42:40 AM
For me, the jury is still out on Barkley. He clearly has talent but his work rate off the ball is a concern.

If Fulham get relegated a big club will be in for Ademola Lookman. Followed his career from the England U17 days and think he is a Raheem Sterling in the making.

The ball is in Ross's court. Don't give Villa a decision to make!!  :)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 07, 2021, 10:44:34 AM
Who is the next big thing in the championship who plays in a similar position?

Based on the seamless step-up by Cash and Watkins Iíd happily spend £30m there.

There's a guy at Swansea that's shooting the lights out !
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on February 07, 2021, 10:49:01 AM
Who is the next big thing in the championship who plays in a similar position?

Based on the seamless step-up by Cash and Watkins Iíd happily spend £30m there.

There's a guy at Swansea that's shooting the lights out !
Have to get Conor to tap him up! ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on February 07, 2021, 10:49:33 AM
Who is the next big thing in the championship who plays in a similar position?

Based on the seamless step-up by Cash and Watkins Iíd happily spend £30m there. 

My opinion on the next big thing in the championship is playing for our old friends at Brentford...Ivan Toney.  One way or another I think he will be playing top-flight football next season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 07, 2021, 11:02:34 AM
I posted this on the post-match thread and hold to the opinion that for someone who is highly rated and could cost us more than Watkins (in terms of fee; let alone wages), I think he needs to show a load more than currently. I thought that a lot of his play yesterday was sloppy and his passing in the first half put us under real pressure: I recall 2 passes - one to Cash and another to JG - that were short and caused a counter attack from the Arse rather than us retaining possession.
I just think he needs to live up to his billing as well as playing in the style that Smith requires - high energy, quick pass-and-move, combative without the ball.


Reading this back, I seem to be hyper-critical: I don't mean to be excessively so; it's more about making sure we bring in the best we possibly can.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 07, 2021, 11:13:59 AM
Who is the next big thing in the championship who plays in a similar position?

Based on the seamless step-up by Cash and Watkins Iíd happily spend £30m there. 

My opinion on the next big thing in the championship is playing for our old friends at Brentford...Ivan Toney.  One way or another I think he will be playing top-flight football next season.

If we throw another £30m at Brentford I'll scream blue murder. We should have bought the whole club last summer when negotiating for Watkins.

Anyway The Bees should finally get promoted this season so there should be no need for Brentford to be "raided" by anyone's "war-chest".
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 07, 2021, 11:15:29 AM
Acting "Billy Big Bollocks" - get rid , there has to be better options at a lower asking price - none of my Evertonian mates miss him  a great deal

Absolutely disagree. I know a few Evertonians who are good friends and they were gutted when he left Everton. They still call him Ross the Rat but think he's a great player.
That's your prerogative JD - it's all about opinions.
I was quite excited at the prospect of him joining us but he appears to be displaying some of the traits that I had been told to look out for .....still
"It's no good crying over spilt chips" :)
Still hoping to be proved wrong
Cheers !!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 07, 2021, 11:34:27 AM
His reaction for me goes back to what he said after scoring the winner against Leicester, that he rarely got to see out games at Chelsea and the last 15 minutes are where the spaces open up and he can do damage.

You've got to justify staying on the pitch for the first 75 minutes obviously, but I think that's the crux of his frustration.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 07, 2021, 11:35:19 AM
He mentioned after the Southampton game I think, that he hasnít really be able to train since coming back from injury, I think a reference to the fixture schedule than anything else. It will be better to judge him over the next 3 or 4 games, with a weeks training in between each game.

Yep, agree with this. He was doing really well before his injury.

It's something when the things we have to moan about are Tyrone Mings and Ross Barkley not being good enough.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 07, 2021, 11:38:25 AM
His reaction for me goes back to what he said after scoring the winner against Leicester, that he rarely got to see out games at Chelsea and the last 15 minutes are where the spaces open up and he can do damage.

You've got to justify staying on the pitch for the first 75 minutes obviously, but I think that's the crux of his frustration.

Maybe he would be better used as an impact sub in that case, when he'd be fresh against tiring defenders.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 07, 2021, 11:46:23 AM
His reaction for me goes back to what he said after scoring the winner against Leicester, that he rarely got to see out games at Chelsea and the last 15 minutes are where the spaces open up and he can do damage.

You've got to justify staying on the pitch for the first 75 minutes obviously, but I think that's the crux of his frustration.

Interesting point and that could well be at the heart of it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2021, 11:49:24 AM
He mentioned after the Southampton game I think, that he hasnít really be able to train since coming back from injury, I think a reference to the fixture schedule than anything else. It will be better to judge him over the next 3 or 4 games, with a weeks training in between each game.

Yep, agree with this. He was doing really well before his injury.

It's something when the things we have to moan about are Tyrone Mings and Ross Barkley not being good enough.

He'd played really well against Liverpool and Leicester, much less so against Leeds and Southampton. Since then, very little to get excited about.  Two great games for us then, ten where he's either been OK or not very good.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 07, 2021, 11:53:40 AM
He mentioned after the Southampton game I think, that he hasnít really be able to train since coming back from injury, I think a reference to the fixture schedule than anything else. It will be better to judge him over the next 3 or 4 games, with a weeks training in between each game.

Yep, agree with this. He was doing really well before his injury.

It's something when the things we have to moan about are Tyrone Mings and Ross Barkley not being good enough.

He'd played really well against Liverpool and Leicester, much less so against Leeds and Southampton. Since then, very little to get excited about.  Two great games for us then, ten where he's either been OK or not very good.

 Itís very frustrating as when on it heís very very good and gives us and more importantly  Jack another dimension to our attacking play. However his impact has been nothing compared to say Traore, whoís impact has been quite superb on regular run out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 07, 2021, 01:56:04 PM
The aspect of Barkley's performances that frustrates me most is that now would be an absolutely ideal time to be giving good game time to Jacob Ramsey, and Barkley's continuing presence in the team is impeding that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: pelty on February 07, 2021, 09:46:15 PM
The aspect of Barkley's performances that frustrates me most is that now would be an absolutely ideal time to be giving good game time to Jacob Ramsey, and Barkley's continuing presence in the team is impeding that.

I agree with this. I think Ramsey can be a very good player for us. And this is nothing against Barkley who is quite talented and a good player in his own right, but he has not been up to it of late in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 07, 2021, 11:53:39 PM
I think there are benefits of a small but committed squad.  Swapping players after 60-65 minutes should be an objective.  Itíll keep the likes of Trez (or an upgrade in the summer) engaged and also allows youngsters to get decent time on the pitch.

Counter intuitive, but having serious wages sat on the bench is a short cut to crisis in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 08, 2021, 07:48:20 AM
Unless you are established the in champs league, playing 20 more games a season then having tens of millions on the bench is difficult to manage.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on February 08, 2021, 08:48:18 AM
Unless you are established the in champs league, playing 20 more games a season then having tens of millions on the bench is difficult to manage.
Not to mention the huge bench that would require.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 13, 2021, 09:56:24 PM
OK, itís not his fault but ffs what is the point?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on February 13, 2021, 10:05:47 PM
It's a solid no.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 13, 2021, 10:07:13 PM
Unless there is a massive uptick in form I wouldnít spend £40m on him. Save it for someone else.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 13, 2021, 10:08:11 PM
It's like he is running in treacle. Can't start next day anyway. Was a big call to start him but offered zero again. We need to get Jack back into 10 for a couple of games.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 13, 2021, 10:09:25 PM
Iím not sure Iíd spend £15m on him right now.  Especially when he currently fills the biggest hole in our squad.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 13, 2021, 10:10:08 PM
I don't think he found a villa player with a pass tonight, his control was shocking and he seemed to be jogging about.

I was very much in the make it a permanent signing before his injury, but not now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on February 13, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
Not alone in being poor tonight, but heís offering nothing, anywhere.

I expect players of his quality and stature to stand out, especially in games like this. He isnít doing it at all and hasnít for a long time. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 13, 2021, 10:13:35 PM
Wouldnít single him out. Most were really poor tonight.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 13, 2021, 10:13:48 PM
His job is to dominate when opposition double and treble on Jack and he's failing badly in that. I thought he would be disappointing when we signed him and he's doing his best to prove me right.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 13, 2021, 10:13:58 PM
So his week training really helped, awful again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2021, 10:14:51 PM
Difficult to know what it is because we know he can be a top player but right now a total passenger.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 13, 2021, 10:15:34 PM
He doesnít look quite fit enough to play as Dean wants him to, and rarely has. Has he got the determination to get to where he needs to be? Only he knows.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: manic-road on February 13, 2021, 10:15:44 PM
Poor tonight amongst all of the midfield, he will be lucky to make the next Villa team never mind the England team at the Euros.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 13, 2021, 10:15:52 PM
Dear me... slow, poor touch, no energy... heís been very poor since his return.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2021, 10:17:39 PM
His job is to dominate when opposition double and treble on Jack and he's failing badly in that. I thought he would be disappointing when we signed him and he's doing his best to prove me right.

In the last few games maybe but he was superb before his injury. Iíd be saving the self congratulations for a while longer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 13, 2021, 10:17:48 PM
I'm beginning to think that perhaps the terms of his loan agreement require that he starts games, unless he is clearly unfit. whether yes or no, his continuing presence in the side is impeding the progress of a truly promising home grown youngster, Jacob Ramsey.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 13, 2021, 10:18:15 PM
Poor tonight amongst all of the midfield, he will be lucky to make the next Villa team never mind the England team at the Euros.
I bet he starts against Leicester
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 13, 2021, 10:21:18 PM
Samson will put him under some pressure now. Thought he looked good in his limited involvement.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on February 13, 2021, 10:30:27 PM
The Barkley we've seen in the last few weeks is the player he was at Chelsea which is why I wasn't sure. For a month when he joined he was the player he was at Everton who would be a decent signing. As it stands I'd rather not make it permanent because I don't know which of the 2 we'd end up with.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 13, 2021, 10:36:16 PM
Poor tonight amongst all of the midfield, he will be lucky to make the next Villa team never mind the England team at the Euros.
I bet he starts against Leicester

I don't think Deano will give him another start right now. He certainly didn't sugarcoat what he thought of the team performance tonight and Barkley has been hooked in every game recently. I firmly expect he will be in the stand for the Leicester game. Traore and McGinn should be joining him I think but three changes might be a bit drastic.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on February 13, 2021, 10:41:23 PM
Iíd use him until the end of the loan agreement, terminate it and get Courtinho in his place next season. It would suit him, suit his club and definitely show our intent. Find four of Jack, Courtinho, Watkins and then one of any of the other three.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Des Little on February 13, 2021, 10:50:47 PM
I wouldnít be surprised to see Sanson start against Leicester - he certainly looked more mobile than Barkley when he came on tonight. Barkley often looks like heís running in a swimming pool to me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PeterWithe on February 13, 2021, 10:54:57 PM
Iíd put Ramsey far ahead of Sansom in the queue.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 13, 2021, 10:57:09 PM
Not sure how he got 75 minutes, Dean must have forgotten he was out there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 13, 2021, 11:01:22 PM
Barkley seems to loiter around the middle of the park not too far away from Ollie. Iíd rather have Jack there doing that and have either Ramsey or Sansom in the team.

Our midfield isnít working very well. Not just Ross, but Jack, Doug and McGinn are struggling for form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 13, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
Rubbish.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on February 13, 2021, 11:26:17 PM
Donít win anything with waffer thin squads.

Apart from his brilliant header  - he has been disappointing (shit) the last few game.

But we are in this for the long haul.

I firmly think Ross could be part of our squad to take us on the journey.

Its all about belief and attitude - especially in this day and age  - when most of these over paid arses donít have anything to nail their colours to the mast.

Ross strikes me as someone who is onboard for our journey. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 13, 2021, 11:33:00 PM
He's not worth anything near what we will be quoted by Chelsea though, at the moment he is surely playing himself out of a transfer as no one in their right mind is going to pour £60 odd million in to what he is giving us in fees and wages. Much better value elsewhere if he keeps his current form up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on February 13, 2021, 11:56:25 PM
He's not worth anything near what we will be quoted by Chelsea though, at the moment he is surely playing himself out of a transfer as no one in their right mind is going to pour £60 odd million in to what he is giving us in fees and wages. Much better value elsewhere if he keeps his current form up.
Nobody knows what Chelsea want for Ross - or what we value his services for.

Chelseaís wage bill is eye watering. Probably the highest in the world if you consider the huge amount of good players  - both under 21s - 1st team AND on loan.

Ross isnít part of their plans TBH.

So to the big question - how much?

Iíd say £18/25M. 

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 14, 2021, 12:00:14 AM
Realistically what do you think Ross Barkley would cost and how much would he demand wage wise? It would be an obscene amount for someone who just doesn't do enough for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on February 14, 2021, 12:04:02 AM
Realistically what do you think Ross Barkley would cost and how much would he demand wage wise? It would be an obscene amount for someone who just doesn't do enough for me.
As above £18m
Wages  - god knows
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 14, 2021, 12:16:23 AM
Realistically what do you think Ross Barkley would cost and how much would he demand wage wise? It would be an obscene amount for someone who just doesn't do enough for me.

Only thing I can say is getting him full time would impress other players. I doubt they're analysing his 90 minute contribution like we are but it would be...."oh Villa, near euro miss, signing Barkley full time, Jack Grealish, where do I sign etc"

Very hard to justify paying 20m + for him based on his performances since coming back from injury though. I knew he was an inconsistant player who held onto the ball way too long and was very frustrating in final third at Everton and Chelsea but he's not even doing much of that currently and also seems as bad v Hourihane playing mega press teams.

Will be a complete passenger v Leeds in two weeks for example.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 14, 2021, 12:19:36 AM
Iíd put Ramsey far ahead of Sansom in the queue.

Possibly.  Do think we need some real energy in that position, with someone who can support Watkins in pressing the opposition defence and can work back and help the midfield. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2021, 12:23:37 AM
Realistically what do you think Ross Barkley would cost and how much would he demand wage wise? It would be an obscene amount for someone who just doesn't do enough for me.

Only thing I can say is getting him full time would impress other players. I doubt they're analysing his 90 minute contribution like we are but it would be...."oh Villa, near euro miss, signing Barkley full time, Jack Grealish, where do I sign etc"

Very hard to justify paying 20m + for him based on his performances since coming back from injury though. I knew he was an inconsistant player who held onto the ball way too long and was very frustrating in final third at Everton and Chelsea but he's not even doing much of that currently and also seems as bad v Hourihane playing mega press teams.

Will be a complete passenger v Leeds in two weeks for example.

I think sending him back would possibly send an even bigger message. "Sorry son, you're not consistent enough for where we want to be."
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on February 14, 2021, 12:30:14 AM
Realistically what do you think Ross Barkley would cost and how much would he demand wage wise? It would be an obscene amount for someone who just doesn't do enough for me.

Only thing I can say is getting him full time would impress other players. I doubt they're analysing his 90 minute contribution like we are but it would be...."oh Villa, near euro miss, signing Barkley full time, Jack Grealish, where do I sign etc"

Very hard to justify paying 20m + for him based on his performances since coming back from injury though. I knew he was an inconsistant player who held onto the ball way too long and was very frustrating in final third at Everton and Chelsea but he's not even doing much of that currently and also seems as bad v Hourihane playing mega press teams.

Will be a complete passenger v Leeds in two weeks for example.

I think sending him back would possibly send an even bigger message. "Sorry son, you're not consistent enough for where we want to be."
Itís a gamble.

How do Dean n Co think of Ramseyís ability and Morgan to fill the gap.
I am no fan of Nakamba.  I could be wrong. But donít think he is top 6 material.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 14, 2021, 12:55:30 AM
What does he actually bring in the position he plays? Not a lot. One assist, three goals in a position where your numbers should be higher than that, in what is a very good attacking team. He's always been a myth for me, Barkley. He's embarrassing to watch when you see the pressure Watkins puts on the whole back line, in possession he seems sideways, afraid to make a killer pass and for his frame size he's so timid to make a black or tackle.

The 15-16 games he's had I personally wouldn't take him. I would love him to prove me wrong whilst he's here but I have never and still don't rate him as a No.10.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 14, 2021, 01:24:31 AM
I've come to the conclusion Ross has a mental blockage. He's not a happy chap. He's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders. Thankfully, as Mrs RCF pointed out, he's got a fat neck.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 14, 2021, 05:36:37 AM
I've come to the conclusion Ross has a mental blockage. He's not a happy chap. He's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders. Thankfully, as Mrs RCF pointed out, he's got a fat neck.

Hahahaha. I always preferred her to you! Wink.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2021, 06:55:35 AM
Itís alarming Smith took 75 minutes to work out he was adding absolutely nothing. A player being picked on reputation not performance.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 14, 2021, 07:06:38 AM
Who would be the choice to play the number 10 position in our set up from a realistic transfer target point of view.

Energetic, can pick a pass, has a decent shot on them? Actually sounds like McGinn.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2021, 07:10:52 AM
Who would be the choice to play the number 10 position in our set up from a realistic transfer target point of view.

Energetic, can pick a pass, has a decent shot on them? Actually sounds like McGinn.
would also offer some energy without the ball.
We just let a player go that would have loved to have been able to play without any defensive responsibility.
Right now itís any one but Barkley for me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 14, 2021, 08:17:36 AM
Pure folly at the price Chelsea would want if they decide to sell.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: andyh on February 14, 2021, 08:32:06 AM
For the money Chelsea would want, he is showing he is far too inconsistent to spend the kind of money being touted (£30-40m) on him.
Yes, McGinn, Marv, Hourihane (when here) have all been very poor in games as well, but they cost a few £m each.

Unless Chelsea are going to be realistic and sell for £10-15m he should be going back at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: colin69 on February 14, 2021, 08:47:57 AM
The whole of the midfield were terrible last night, including Jack. Barkley was by far the worst and I would not be giving him anymore game time when we have other options.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dicedlam on February 14, 2021, 08:51:28 AM
I am not ready to write him off just yet. If he can get back to being fully fit over the next few weeks I think he will come good.
Remember, Chelsea fans were a little annoyed that the club loaned him out to us after having been one of their most consistent performers the previous season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Baldy on February 14, 2021, 09:00:21 AM
Ross has been riding on the crest of a 'Jack Grealish' wave.

When the opposition 'cancel out' Jack we clearly see the shortfall in Ross's game.

If you are not prepared to work hard and show the desire for a permanent contract you deserve what is coming your way.

Villa's money should be better spent elsewhere.

 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2021, 09:01:52 AM
For the money Chelsea would want, he is showing he is far too inconsistent to spend the kind of money being touted (£30-40m) on him.
Yes, McGinn, Marv, Hourihane (when here) have all been very poor in games as well, but they cost a few £m each.

Unless Chelsea are going to be realistic and sell for £10-15m he should be going back at the end of the season.


I wouldn't take him on a free on this form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 14, 2021, 09:07:11 AM
Was about to say the same. Heís showing nothing of late. No effort or mobility either. Why is he making the team when we have others who at least put some effort in?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 14, 2021, 09:10:05 AM
There is no way I'd want Villa to be spending anywhere near £30-£40m for Barkley. He simply isn't worth that kind of money on his showings for us. I'm also not happy that he seems undroppable. With him starting we're already down to 10 men and if Traore is having a mare then we are as good as playing with 9 men, which is how it appeared vs Brighton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
I am not ready to write him off just yet. If he can get back to being fully fit over the next few weeks I think he will come good.
Remember, Chelsea fans were a little annoyed that the club loaned him out to us after having been one of their most consistent performers the previous season.
not one Chelsea fan I know rate Barkley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dicedlam on February 14, 2021, 09:27:43 AM
I am not ready to write him off just yet. If he can get back to being fully fit over the next few weeks I think he will come good.
Remember, Chelsea fans were a little annoyed that the club loaned him out to us after having been one of their most consistent performers the previous season.
not one Chelsea fan I know rate Barkley.


Only going on what was reported at the time and comments made on their forums.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 14, 2021, 09:44:06 AM
Send him back to chelsea now and save on the wages bill.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: J on February 14, 2021, 09:56:26 AM
I'd like to see Sanson replace him next weekend. Thought he looked good in the few glimpses we saw of him last night and if nothing else should provide a bit more energy than Barkley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 14, 2021, 10:05:09 AM
I am not ready to write him off just yet. If he can get back to being fully fit over the next few weeks I think he will come good.
Remember, Chelsea fans were a little annoyed that the club loaned him out to us after having been one of their most consistent performers the previous season.
not one Chelsea fan I know rate Barkley.

My older brother, in his early 60s, lifelong Chelsea fan, travelled home and away, since late 70s, all over UK and Europe, rated Barclay at Chelsea and was annoyed they let him go. Thereís one for ya.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 14, 2021, 10:06:13 AM
Saying that, I do think he needs to come out of the side next week for Sanson.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: robleflaneur on February 14, 2021, 10:27:32 AM
As a teenager at Everton was possibly peak Barkley.He was regarded as one of the best talents in England but had 2 fatal flaws,he didn't track back and he is quite stocky.
With Chelsea and England he could be a flat track bully..Give him space to run into and he is lethal.As teams press more,deny space and give him less time on the ball,Barkley vanishes and I imagine he is not as quick as he once was.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 14, 2021, 10:29:46 AM
As a teenager at Everton was possibly peak Barkley.He was regarded as one of the best talents in England but had 2 fatal flaws,he didn't track back and he is quite stocky.
With Chelsea and England he could be a flat track bully..Give him space to run into and he is lethal.As teams press more,deny space and give him less time on the ball,Barkley vanishes and I imagine he is not as quick as he once was.
I think he has overdone the weight training.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 14, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
I'm afraid I've never really been a fan; would have preferred Loftus_Cheek if we were going to make a realistic loan for a Chelsea MF player. McGinn would be a better #10 at the moment.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2021, 10:32:44 AM
There is no way I'd want Villa to be spending anywhere near £30-£40m for Barkley. He simply isn't worth that kind of money on his showings for us. I'm also not happy that he seems undroppable. With him starting we're already down to 10 men and if Traore is having a mare then we are as good as playing with 9 men, which is how it appeared vs Brighton.


Traore is still coming to terms with the Premier League, but you can at least see he is working on his tracking back, and he can make things happen with his unpredictability. With Barkley, I'm not seeing anything at the moment. No effort, no mobility, no distribution, no taking the pressure off Jack. Nothing.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OzVilla on February 14, 2021, 11:12:55 AM
Heís going through a rough spell and DS has indicated heís not yet at 100% fitness. He was terrific when he first came but looks off the pace now as have the team lately.

 Letís all take a breath. Maybe we shouldnít be making any snap judgments based on a few poor weeks, 1 in which he scored the winner donít forget.

I still think heís a player Iíd be more than happy to have, just depends on how much Chelsea want for him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 14, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
Heís going through a rough spell and DS has indicated heís not yet at 100% fitness. He was terrific when he first came but looks off the pace now as have the team lately.

 Letís all take a breath. Maybe we shouldnít be making any snap judgments based on a few poor weeks, 1 in which he scored the winner donít forget.

I still think heís a player Iíd be more than happy to have, just depends on how much Chelsea want for him.

Thatís where I am. Heís in a ropey patch, and I wonder whether a spell coming off the bench might help him build confidence.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 14, 2021, 11:26:54 AM
As a teenager at Everton was possibly peak Barkley.He was regarded as one of the best talents in England but had 2 fatal flaws,he didn't track back and he is quite stocky.
With Chelsea and England he could be a flat track bully..Give him space to run into and he is lethal.As teams press more,deny space and give him less time on the ball,Barkley vanishes and I imagine he is not as quick as he once was.

The stats would suggest he wasn't a bully of any description at either Chelsea or England. He hardly got a kick under Conte and even under Lampard last season (when they couldn't sign anyone) he wasn't a regular.

He was anonymous again yesterday but the main problems with our display were further back. But Barkley is 27 and very experienced at this level. Surely he should have the nous to be able to drop into midfield for 10-15mins to get us playing through the lines. He doesn't though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Chris Smith on February 14, 2021, 11:42:02 AM
I wasnít a fan and didnít want us to sign him. His early performances made me think that perhaps Iíd misjudged him but more recently he has looked like the player I thought we were getting. Heís obviously got some ability but is inconsistent and has too many downsides to his game for me to want to make it a permanent signing. Iíd rather invest the time in Sanson and Ramsey.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 14, 2021, 11:45:49 AM
I was the opposite Chris but Iím leaning to your way of thinking. I also think Smith needs to stand strong and show whoís boss and drop him and shuffle the pack a bit. Not convinced Barkley and Traore can play in the same midfield.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: exigo on February 14, 2021, 11:50:57 AM
Sanson has got to come in for him next weekend, especially as it means him and McGinn can interchange.

Grealish   Sanson   Traore
        McGinn     Luiz

Much better balance and work rate to it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Gary Penrice on February 14, 2021, 11:54:28 AM
I really wanted him to succeed but he clearly hasn't changed since his Everton days. He's got bundles of ability but the negatives as mentioned already in the thread far outweigh the positives for me.
I would rather use whatever money Chelsea would want for him elsewhere in the squad for a player more suited to our work ethic etc.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 14, 2021, 12:08:16 PM
Something obviously wrong, he' not moving, not looking for the ball only operating at 50% if that.    He's not our issue if he doesn't buck up (not saying this is all down to him)

At prices quoted he is a big swerve right now
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 14, 2021, 12:19:26 PM
If itís £40mil to make him a permanent signing. Then itís a no from me.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 14, 2021, 12:24:48 PM
The way he is playing 12 million to west ham in summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 14, 2021, 12:31:12 PM
Hasnít been the same since he came back from his injury. Heíll be back to his best soon enough though. Its way too soon to be writing him off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Clampy on February 14, 2021, 12:33:38 PM
I wasnít a fan and didnít want us to sign him. His early performances made me think that perhaps Iíd misjudged him but more recently he has looked like the player I thought we were getting. Heís obviously got some ability but is inconsistent and has too many downsides to his game for me to want to make it a permanent signing. Iíd rather invest the time in Sanson and Ramsey.

I was along the same lines as never really being a fan but I didn't have a problem with us signing him, as it was only a loan. He made us look a better side going forward almost immediately but he seems to be lacking confidence badly of late. It'll be interesting to see what the club decide but Smith really does seem to rate Ramsey.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 14, 2021, 01:01:53 PM
I wasnít a fan and didnít want us to sign him. His early performances made me think that perhaps Iíd misjudged him but more recently he has looked like the player I thought we were getting. Heís obviously got some ability but is inconsistent and has too many downsides to his game for me to want to make it a permanent signing. Iíd rather invest the time in Sanson and Ramsey.

I was along the same lines as never really being a fan but I didn't have a problem with us signing him, as it was only a loan. He made us look a better side going forward almost immediately but he seems to be lacking confidence badly of late. It'll be interesting to see what the club decide but Smith really does seem to rate Ramsey.

Does or doesn't rate Ramsey?  From what I'm seeing it's not obvious that Smith does rate Ramsey, who I think is way overdue another start.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on February 14, 2021, 01:03:21 PM
Was my Coutinho idea missed or did everyone just find it so laughable that it was brushed over? Barca are broke and he canít get a game for their reserves from what I have been told.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: oldtimernow on February 14, 2021, 01:21:44 PM
i don't remember a single contribution in an attacking sense, didn't close down quickly enough when in position to do so, seemed to amble around a lot and lost possession on a number of occasions either resulting in a breakdown of an attack or a problem for the midfield/defence.
Perhaps part of the reason McGinn/Luiz under pressure.
Add to that Traore being anonymous too we were playing with 9 men.
Watkins was up against 2 brick shit houses who weren't adverse to mixing it with foul play as well thanks to a poor ref.

Lucky to get an undeserved point really.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2021, 01:42:05 PM
The way he is playing 12 million to west ham in summer.

Chelsea can throw in Carlton Cole to sweeten the deal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 14, 2021, 01:50:21 PM
Hasnít been the same since he came back from his injury. Heíll be back to his best soon enough though. Its way too soon to be writing him off.

He's shown no sign of improvement whatsoever, and yesterday was his 7th game back after injury. If he's going to miss 10 games through injury and then take another ten getting back to some sort of form, then he absolutely is not worth buying on a permanent deal.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 14, 2021, 02:51:51 PM
I wasnít a fan and didnít want us to sign him. His early performances made me think that perhaps Iíd misjudged him but more recently he has looked like the player I thought we were getting. Heís obviously got some ability but is inconsistent and has too many downsides to his game for me to want to make it a permanent signing. Iíd rather invest the time in Sanson and Ramsey.

Same here, Chris. Ramsey would certainly give us some much needed energy in midfield plus he has an eye for goal. I'd have certainly brought him on to replace Barkley at half time yesterday.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 14, 2021, 03:35:55 PM
I think heíll come good but if he doesnít then fine, we donít own him and back he goes. Give him the season and then judge him rather than now when letís face it nobody is in any particular form
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 14, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
We cant afford to "give him the season" to play himself into form and or fitness. We are struggling in midfield because this passenger is strolling around like he is doing us a favour. This gives us two in midfield against other teams 3 or 4. Drop him and play grealish at number 10 or Ramsey in his place
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ger Regan on February 14, 2021, 03:49:03 PM
Sanson should start ahead of him next weekend.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on February 14, 2021, 04:21:01 PM
Hasnít been the same since he came back from his injury. Heíll be back to his best soon enough though. Its way too soon to be writing him off.

He's shown no sign of improvement whatsoever, and yesterday was his 7th game back after injury. If he's going to miss 10 games through injury and then take another ten getting back to some sort of form, then he absolutely is not worth buying on a permanent deal.
I really rate him when he's on form but can't defend him after another no show yesterday. I agree with your point about a permanent deal too. It's a shame really because after the Liverpool demolition job I really thought we were on to something.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 14, 2021, 05:03:58 PM
When he's on it, he's great. But for every one great performance, we appear to have a tonne more bad performances.

Just don't think he's going to cut it to be honest - Shame, because after the Liverpool and Leicester games, I really thought we'd found a perfect match of player and club. Unfortunately, it hasn't really turned out that way and I'd send him back to Chelsea at the end of the season with a thanks but no thanks.

He's a passenger in games at the moment (and with the amount of sweating he does, looks unfit!). We can't afford to play another team's player on the feint hope that he hits form again - I'd bring Sanson in against Leicester, as well as take the reigns off McGinn a little. 

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 14, 2021, 06:01:01 PM
A three of Sanson and Doug at the base, with McGinn further forward must be worth a try.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 14, 2021, 06:28:26 PM
A three of Sanson and Doug at the base, with McGinn further forward must be worth a try.


Maybe not even at the base, maybe a flat 3 in a midfield pushing up as one. We can go full Christmas tree.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 14, 2021, 06:32:27 PM
Imagine Bielsa working Barkley. He'd sweat the shit out of him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on February 14, 2021, 06:38:27 PM
I'm happy giving Barkley til the end of the season to prove himself. He's shown flashes of absolute brilliance. Needs to be more than just flashes, though, at 27 years old and a big wage to pay. And he's not offered a huge amount post-injury. There's mitigating circumstances for that - lots of games, hardly any training - but now we're not playing 2 games a week, you do expect an improvement.

Just wondering ... are we obliged to play him if he's fit? It just seems a bit weird the number of games he's playing when he's just come back from injury, and not showing particularly great form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: The Edge on February 14, 2021, 06:59:19 PM
I'm happy giving Barkley til the end of the season to prove himself. He's shown flashes of absolute brilliance. Needs to be more than just flashes, though, at 27 years old and a big wage to pay. And he's not offered a huge amount post-injury. There's mitigating circumstances for that - lots of games, hardly any training - but now we're not playing 2 games a week, you do expect an improvement.

Just wondering ... are we obliged to play him if he's fit? It just seems a bit weird the number of games he's playing when he's just come back from injury, and not showing particularly great form.
I doubt very much that we're obliged to play him. We're paying his wages so I'd imagine we call the shots. I don't think his fitness levels are where they should be since his injury and my guess is they are trying to play him back to full fitness.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 15, 2021, 11:26:35 AM
Was my Coutinho idea missed or did everyone just find it so laughable that it was brushed over? Barca are broke and he canít get a game for their reserves from what I have been told.

If he can't get a game for their reserves I wouldn't want him. He's unlikely to take the sort of paycut that would be needed and let's face it, he's nowhere near the player he was. But other than that, maybe.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on February 15, 2021, 11:30:39 AM
Started brilliantly, but has been underwhelming since coming back from injury.  You can forgive a little rustiness, but as others have said, he's several games back into it now. 

However, his brilliant start means I'm still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the rest of the season.  That said, I don't want him to be the automatic first-choice for that position - he has to understand that the players in the wings will play if he doesn't perform. 

It would be difficult to drop him given he scored the winner against Leicester last time out, but I also like the idea of bringing him on with 30 mins to freshen up the attack a bit.

If nothing else, it's nice to finally have options, isn't it?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 15, 2021, 11:33:28 AM
Was my Coutinho idea missed or did everyone just find it so laughable that it was brushed over? Barca are broke and he canít get a game for their reserves from what I have been told.

If he can't get a game for their reserves I wouldn't want him. He's unlikely to take the sort of paycut that would be needed and let's face it, he's nowhere near the player he was. But other than that, maybe.

Didn't he help knock them out the champions league last season? That possibly has more to do with it than him not being good enough.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2021, 11:33:39 AM
Was my Coutinho idea missed or did everyone just find it so laughable that it was brushed over? Barca are broke and he canít get a game for their reserves from what I have been told.

If he can't get a game for their reserves I wouldn't want him. He's unlikely to take the sort of paycut that would be needed and let's face it, he's nowhere near the player he was. But other than that, maybe.

See Gareth Bale.

But the idea itself isn't so mad, the quality of options available for this role would be a lot higher for us on the back of this season than when we signed Barkley, I don't think we'll do a deal for him ultimately.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 15, 2021, 11:41:17 AM
Not unless he goes on a great run of form. The problem is, he may not get the opportunity if he's dropped. If he's looking exhausted with the level of effort he's putting in now it's hard to see how he can improve on his work rate. A big few weeks for Barkley's future career coming up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 15, 2021, 11:42:31 AM
I would hope our recruitment team would be watching a few players closely with thoughts of signing the right one this summer. We're significantly improving in this area so I would hope they could do better than simply paying big money for someone just because they're the current incumbent. I would want someone who will offer a lot more goals and assists, have a high energy and really help with the press. Someone who gives opponents a lot more to think about when they've done a job on Grealish like West Ham and Brighton have. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on February 15, 2021, 12:05:18 PM
Unless there is still some underlying issue with his fitness than Barkley is rapidly reaching the point of no return.  The performance on Saturday night, coming off the back of his hissy fit when subbed last week means he is not going to get cut a lot of slack.  He isn't our player so it's not like we lose much if he leaves, we just look for someone more suited to the role we need.

He is 27 now so isn't going to get many more opportunities to prove himself.  It's a shame as when he is on it he is a real asset, but the breaking point for me on Saturday was when Trossard had that shot in the first half - Barkley had not bothered to track him, and even when the ball was played back to him on the edge of the area Barkley is barely moving despite being the closest man.  In a side that puts as much effort into the defensive side of the game as we do, it must royally piss off his team-mates.

It was said that he was annoyed at being subbed last week as he feels that it is in the last 20 minutes that he can do the most damage.  If that's the case then he can start on the bench, and come on if we need it late on, but he can't start games if he continues to be a passenger like he was against Brighton.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 15, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
He has two settings - brilliant and awful, not much in between.

The brilliant / awful ratio is not looking anything like good enough currently, and we don't have a big or good enough squad to be able to live with that sort of non-delivery.

For me, based on events thus far, I wouldn't make the deal permanent.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: chrisw1 on February 15, 2021, 01:39:27 PM
Unless there is still some underlying issue with his fitness than Barkley is rapidly reaching the point of no return.  The performance on Saturday night, coming off the back of his hissy fit when subbed last week means he is not going to get cut a lot of slack.  He isn't our player so it's not like we lose much if he leaves, we just look for someone more suited to the role we need.

He is 27 now so isn't going to get many more opportunities to prove himself.  It's a shame as when he is on it he is a real asset, but the breaking point for me on Saturday was when Trossard had that shot in the first half - Barkley had not bothered to track him, and even when the ball was played back to him on the edge of the area Barkley is barely moving despite being the closest man.  In a side that puts as much effort into the defensive side of the game as we do, it must royally piss off his team-mates.

It was said that he was annoyed at being subbed last week as he feels that it is in the last 20 minutes that he can do the most damage.  If that's the case then he can start on the bench, and come on if we need it late on, but he can't start games if he continues to be a passenger like he was against Brighton.
Agree with this.  I'm a fan oh his and still believe that when on form he can be perfect for us.  But unless he can put in a sustained run of top performances between now and the end of the season I'd be looking elsewhere, which is a real shame as it could have been a good fit.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 15, 2021, 02:36:45 PM
Donít win anything with waffer thin squads.


Thank you Mr Creosote.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 15, 2021, 02:37:53 PM
Barkley scored the match-winner at Southampton two weeks ago but, since then, he's failed nail down a positive performance with Smith taking him off for new signing Morgan Sanson twice and youngster Jacob Ramsey.

The 27-year-old has just one assist to his name this season and, speaking after Saturday's goalless draw at Brighton, Smith said: "It's been a really difficult time for Roscoe because he got injured against Brighton earlier in the season and missed eight weeks with his injury.

From the meaning evil.  We now have the answer we signed the sheriff from Dukes of Hazzard.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 15, 2021, 02:48:38 PM
Not unless he goes on a great run of form. The problem is, he may not get the opportunity if he's dropped. If he's looking exhausted with the level of effort he's putting in now it's hard to see how he can improve on his work rate. A big few weeks for Barkley's future career coming up.

Agreed, I think it's getting to the stage where he only has a few weeks left to make a big impression. His position is one where we arguably have the most options. Traore, Jack, McGinn, Ramsey, Sanson can all play there and we own those players. Barkley has proven beyond doubt that he cant be trusted in a midfield three and the no.10 position has huge competition.

No chance he can start next day out for me. Going to have to earn his spot from the bench which might suit him for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2021, 02:53:19 PM
Poor tonight amongst all of the midfield, he will be lucky to make the next Villa team never mind the England team at the Euros.
I bet he starts against Leicester
I am sticking with this prediction.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: London Villan on February 15, 2021, 02:53:53 PM
He could have a lot more impact coming on for 25/30 mins. It could work well for us as a team and him personally.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rob_bridge on February 15, 2021, 03:22:20 PM
Sanson should start ahead of him next weekend.

I agree or even put Trez wide right and Jack central
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 15, 2021, 03:51:13 PM
I think they have already replaced Barkley with Sanson long term.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 03:52:55 PM
Barkley will be so far down the list of attacking midfielders for England I bet even Steven Gerrard is ahead of him. He's about as much competition for Jack's place as I am.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 15, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
Barkley will be so far down the list of attacking midfielders for England I bet even Steven Gerrard is ahead of him. He's about as much competition for Jack's place as I am.

I fear your reluctance to play on the left will hold you back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: thick_mike on February 15, 2021, 04:06:52 PM
Barkley will be so far down the list of attacking midfielders for England I bet even Steven Gerrard is ahead of him. He's about as much competition for Jack's place as I am.

I fear your reluctance to play on the left will hold you back.

😆
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on February 15, 2021, 04:14:41 PM
Poor tonight amongst all of the midfield, he will be lucky to make the next Villa team never mind the England team at the Euros.
I bet he starts against Leicester
I am sticking with this prediction.
I can only imagine that Deano is being very patient and wants him to "play himself into form".
I wouldn't be so generous.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Gerrin on February 15, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
Barkley will be so far down the list of attacking midfielders for England I bet even Steven Gerrard is ahead of him. He's about as much competition for Jack's place as I am.

I don't think he was ever going to make it into Southgate's reckoning. England has more than likely past him by now.

If we don't sign him, hard to see where his career goes next. I dare say at some point he'll have a second stint at Everton  before the end of his career.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 15, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Newcastle. Everton have Ancelotti and he's unlikely to want him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 15, 2021, 05:19:20 PM
Newcastle. Everton have Ancelotti and he's unlikely to want him.

That's a good guess. He's basically an upgraded Jonjo Shelvey. Capable of smashing one in from 25 yards, but mostly doing next to bugger all.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 15, 2021, 07:58:46 PM
2 and half years left on his contract, gets cancelled with a year left and he turns up at The Hawthornes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 15, 2021, 08:32:58 PM
Heís going through a rough spell and DS has indicated heís not yet at 100% fitness. He was terrific when he first came but looks off the pace now as have the team lately.

 Letís all take a breath. Maybe we shouldnít be making any snap judgments based on a few poor weeks, 1 in which he scored the winner donít forget.

I still think heís a player Iíd be more than happy to have, just depends on how much Chelsea want for him.

I'm more than happy not to write him off. As you say, he has already had plenty of good moments in a Villa shirt. On current form though, I feel he should be dropped to the bench. He's said himself he likes playing against tired legs, and it would be nice to have a sub that could, potentially, worry the opposition for once.

I wouldn't be in any hurry to sign him for silly money, but he could always convince me with a run of form before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 15, 2021, 10:34:56 PM
Newcastle. Everton have Ancelotti and he's unlikely to want him.

That's a good guess. He's basically an upgraded Jonjo Shelvey. Capable of smashing one in from 25 yards, but mostly doing next to bugger all.

Was thinking the same watching Shelvey tonight. Another one that wants an armchair ride in midfield. Won't run, tackle, track runs.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 15, 2021, 10:42:01 PM
After recent games I'm just really glad his loan deal didn't have any obligation to buy attached.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ktvillan on February 16, 2021, 09:46:20 AM
He has two settings - brilliant and awful, not much in between.

The brilliant / awful ratio is not looking anything like good enough currently, and we don't have a big or good enough squad to be able to live with that sort of non-delivery.

For me, based on events thus far, I wouldn't make the deal permanent.

Pretty much what I said a couple of weeks ago he's either 9 out of 10 or 2 out of 10, very little in between.  Whereas with someone like Mcginn or Luiz you will get an average of 7 with the odd 9 or 5 chucked in every now and then.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2021, 10:00:49 AM
McGinn and Luiz have been 5s and 6s quite a lot recently imo (possibly caused by Barkley Big Balls ahead of them not helping out).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 16, 2021, 10:12:58 AM
McGinn and Luiz have been 5s and 6s quite a lot recently imo (possibly caused by Barkley Big Balls ahead of them not helping out).

It's a good point eamonn.  Both have curbed their natural attacking instincts, which is fine, but only really works if the actual attacking players are doing their jobs. Traore is very hit and miss, and Barkley has gone AWOL.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 16, 2021, 10:35:49 AM
McGinn and Luiz have been 5s and 6s quite a lot recently imo (possibly caused by Barkley Big Balls ahead of them not helping out).
Definitely, before our Covid Break McGinn and Luiz were playing very well, not sure if itís related to that or Barkley being back in the side and upsetting the balance, or extra work they are putting in defensively.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 16, 2021, 04:26:19 PM
Must say I was surprised that he was in the thoughts of the lovely Victoria Coren Mitchell on Only Connect last night.

Missing vowels. Singers crossed with footballers.

DNR SSB RK LY

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000scp6/only-connect-series-16-22-sliders-v-puzzle-hunters   (27 mins 10 seconds)


Lo and behold, less than 15 minutes later Bambi Paxo is asking this on University Challenge.

Pairs of names or titles where the last word of the first answer gives the first word of the second answer.

"The play by Shakespeare where Bolingbroke is exiled and a local derby between Birmingham City and Aston Villa".

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000scpb/university-challenge-202021-episode-30   (10 mins 40 seconds)
 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2021, 06:42:44 PM
"The play by Shakespeare where Bolingbroke is exiled and a local derby between Birmingham City and Aston Villa".
 https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000scpb/university-challenge-202021-episode-30   (10 mins 40 seconds)
 
Students not knowing that Birmingham is the 2nd City is pretty bad!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 16, 2021, 06:43:33 PM
Must say I was surprised that he was in the thoughts of the lovely Victoria Coren Mitchell on Only Connect last night.
Missing vowels. Singers crossed with footballers.
DNR SSB RK LY
Oh, VC Mitchell ... drools.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT on February 21, 2021, 03:59:46 PM
Weíve moved on from having sulking drama queens who donít contribute playing for us.

Iíve seen enough, thanks Ross. Look at the energy for the last 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aev on February 21, 2021, 04:00:28 PM
Certainly wouldnít start him against Leeds.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
Thanks Ross, but that'll be all thanks. Get yourself back to London son.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 21, 2021, 04:01:18 PM
Surely Ramsay or Sanson deserve a start now.
Both brought energy to the side.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2021, 04:01:32 PM
Hopefully something good will come out of bad today and we will never see Barkley in a Villa shirt again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 21, 2021, 04:02:07 PM
Agreed Ross is beginning to remind mew of the last Ross.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: colin69 on February 21, 2021, 04:03:01 PM
I never want to see Barkley in our shirt again. We have better players of our own.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on February 21, 2021, 04:04:35 PM
One thing I think we can all agree is that this constant Ramsey for Barkley sub means it isnít working and should be looked to change from the start
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 04:04:51 PM
Well said Alex, you're right about Barkley, a proper sulk.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 21, 2021, 04:05:13 PM
Send him back to wherever he came from, I'm sick of his shit.

Lost possession twice in the first half and three times after the break.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: bilsim on February 21, 2021, 04:05:52 PM
Not a great sign how much better we looked for subbing him today. The energy and desire of Sanson and Ramsey was such a noticeable difference.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LukeJames on February 21, 2021, 04:06:03 PM
The problem is, other than him not contributing anything, he's in the way of Ramseys development.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 21, 2021, 04:06:15 PM
Heís on loan, with no option to buy. He has offered nothing since the first Leicester game (his 2nd match for us), and we shouldnít (*and canít!) afford to carry him on the hope he hits some kind of form.
Ramsay offered more in that last 15 mins than Barkley has in most of his time in a villa shirt.
Needs to be dropped against Leeds. Showing nowhere near enough fight or fitness to be in the starting eleven.
Sanson or Ramsay need to be starting in his place. Thanks very much Chelsea, but no thanks. ☹️
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 21, 2021, 04:06:32 PM
he must realise it's his last chance at a big club? Tuchell subbed Hudson Odoi, the half time sub yesterday due to work without the ball, when he'd been dangerous with the ball. God knows what he'd make of Barkley.
waste of talent, English lads like maddison  barnes even lingard light years ahead of him now. MLS or SPL.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: andyh on February 21, 2021, 04:07:19 PM
The very best thing about Barkley?

Weíll be able to send him back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: stubbsyandy on February 21, 2021, 04:07:32 PM
Heís on loan, with no option to buy. He has offered nothing since the first Leicester game (his 2nd match for us), and we shouldnít (*and canít!) afford to carry him on the hope he hits some kind of form.
Ramsay offered more in that last 15 mins than Barkley has in most of his time in a villa shirt.
Needs to be dropped against Leeds. Showing nowhere near enough fight or fitness to be in the starting eleven.
Sanson or Ramsay need to be starting in his place. Thanks very much Chelsea, but no thanks. ☹️

Agreed
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: German James on February 21, 2021, 04:07:58 PM
He seems to think he's got the right to start and the right not to be substituted. Maybe it would help his apalling attitude if he was dropped. It would certainly help the rest of the not to have to carry him.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 21, 2021, 04:09:06 PM
I dont want to see him in the starting line up again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 21, 2021, 04:09:29 PM
Heís on loan, with no option to buy. He has offered nothing since the first Leicester game (his 2nd match for us), and we shouldnít (*and canít!) afford to carry him on the hope he hits some kind of form.
Ramsay offered more in that last 15 mins than Barkley has in most of his time in a villa shirt.
Needs to be dropped against Leeds. Showing nowhere near enough fight or fitness to be in the starting eleven.
Sanson or Ramsay need to be starting in his place. Thanks very much Chelsea, but no thanks. ☹️

Agreed
+1
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 21, 2021, 04:09:50 PM
He has provided absolutely nothing for weeks and then pulls the "How dare you sub me?" routine. Again.

Dean has defended Barkley but needs to explain what he is doing on the pitch to justify his place. It isn't a neutral selection. It is damaging our chances.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 04:10:04 PM
Had he any clothes left on by the time he got back to the dressing room does anyone know? Hopefully one of the kit men was kind enough to have his bags packed and hopefully a taxi ready to take him back to London. An utter embarrassment on the pitch and his antics after being substituted at least 20 mins too late (should never have started on current form) will be long remembered.

A diabolical professional. 27 years old, won't track any opponents runs as seen with both Leicester goals today and behaves like a child once again after being taken off. Get rid, asap.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jwarry on February 21, 2021, 04:10:36 PM
Get rid
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on February 21, 2021, 04:10:48 PM
I know one thing. He wouldnít have sat down next to the Holte to take his boots off if the fans had been there.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2021, 04:11:15 PM
He doesn't offer anything off the ball and appears to amble everywhere. He is a big reason for our current indifferent form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2021, 04:11:33 PM
Yep, changed my mind. Would've signed him six weeks back, not now.

Pass up and give Traore more creative responsibility and use money to get another striker in.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: andyh on February 21, 2021, 04:12:16 PM
I know one thing. He wouldnít have sat down next to the Holte to take his boots off if the fans had been there.
Bloody good point !
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: levico on February 21, 2021, 04:12:31 PM
Was it just a media invention/rumour or did Chelsea really want £40m for him?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 21, 2021, 04:13:45 PM
Surprised to see the petulance, I thought somebody he trusts (an advisor, a friend, his agent) would have told him what a dick it makes him look.

He needs dropping, or Mings needs to kick him ten feet up in the air in training.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 21, 2021, 04:13:55 PM
I just don't think he's fit. Physically or mentally.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: J on February 21, 2021, 04:14:11 PM
One good thing, is that his performance was so bad today that he surely can't start next week.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 21, 2021, 04:15:51 PM
I just don't think he's fit. Physically or mentally.

That and his actual ability is considerably overrated
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: andyh on February 21, 2021, 04:18:14 PM
I just don't think he's fit. Physically or mentally.
How long is allowed to have the not quite fit excuse?
He had stopped tracking players within 5 minutes of kick off.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on February 21, 2021, 04:18:23 PM
He suffers from asthma, maybe he doesn't have it in the tank anymore.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 04:18:48 PM
I just don't think he's fit. Physically or mentally.

That and his actual ability is considerably overrated

He hasn't been anything other than average for a number of seasons. I was against signing him from the start for this reason.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: manic-road on February 21, 2021, 04:20:16 PM
On current form Chelski will be lucky to get a decent fee for him, started off really well after joining but since the injury he has struggled for form.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 21, 2021, 04:20:19 PM
Ability - over rated
Physique - bloated
Transfer value - over inflated
I bet he still plays next week
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 04:22:52 PM
Ability - over rated
Physique - bloated
Transfer value - over inflated
I bet he still plays next week
Ha Ha, probably.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 21, 2021, 04:28:19 PM
Barkley shouldn't be in the squad at Leeds. Leeds' running will make his eyes bleed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2021, 04:32:38 PM
Instead of wasting time persisting with this overweight sad sack, why don't we invest the time into Jacob Ramsey instead? We're surely not going to buy Barkley at the end of the season, and he's providing absolutely nothing in terms of contribution on the pitch, so call time on it, and send him back to Chelsea. We've got options without him, like playing McGinn in a role further forward, or developing Ramsey as already suggested.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 21, 2021, 04:34:08 PM
100% agree with the recent comments on Barkley.  A positive spin on it is that we are seeing and exploiting the benefits of the loan system.

We should be grateful that heís not on a fat four year contract. Similarly, with Mings we were happy to pay a premium because we knew heíd Ďfití.  We should be doing this every year despite Barkley being a flop.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TonyD on February 21, 2021, 04:34:44 PM
He doesnít look fully fit to me.

Itís a pity as there is a good player in there somewhere.

Luckily we have Ramsey.  You can just see he is going to awesome.  Needs game time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 21, 2021, 04:37:38 PM
Instead of wasting time persisting with this overweight sad sack, why don't we invest the time into Jacob Ramsey instead? We're surely not going to buy Barkley at the end of the season, and he's providing absolutely nothing in terms of contribution on the pitch, so call time on it, and send him back to Chelsea. We've got options without him, like playing McGinn in a role further forward, or developing Ramsey as already suggested.

Agreed, we don't need him on the pitch and with an attitude like that the last thing we need is someone like him off the pitch. His career is in freefall now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Monty on February 21, 2021, 04:43:00 PM
People going over the top on Barkley I feel. He was good up to his injury, and has seriously struggled since coming back. He shouldn't start vs. Leeds, but some of this stuff is too much.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 21, 2021, 04:43:08 PM
As someone mentioned above, not right physically or more importantly, mentally. Needs dropping to the bench and told why, if he needs a cuddle or a kick up the arse I don't care, just get his head sorted out so we can see some sort of contribution. In the meantime, we need to see what Ramsey or Sanson can do in that position.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: junxs on February 21, 2021, 04:47:08 PM
I dont understand why certain people try to defend him, hes getting pelters because hes not even trying. I dont recall him even running at full speed since he's come back into the team. It's always just a gentle jog.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 21, 2021, 04:51:11 PM
Smith needs to be ruthless and send him back damaged goods
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 21, 2021, 05:01:03 PM
People going over the top on Barkley I feel. He was good up to his injury, and has seriously struggled since coming back. He shouldn't start vs. Leeds, but some of this stuff is too much.

Come off it Monty, he's been dreadful and if anything is getting off lightly. He's been shit, but still has the temerity to act like a sulky toddler when subbed off. As somebody said earlier, if he tried that shit in front of a full Villa park he'd soon learn the error of his ways. It hasn't worked, send him back.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on February 21, 2021, 05:03:03 PM
Some of the criticism might be a bit OTT and the best thing for everyone would be if he makes a positive impact in the rest of the season. However, it is fair to say he doesn't merit a place in the first team on current form. Dean must recognise this and act accordingly. I do fear that he has his "undroppables": Jack, McGinn, Mings; Ollie, Konsa and Doug this season. You can argue the merits/necessity of these players always getting picked but Barkley seems to be in this group despite a) playing crap since coming back from injury and b) not even being our player. I understand why it leaves a sour taste with a lot of people.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 21, 2021, 05:05:02 PM
I also think his negative attitude is affecting team spirit especially if he strops against Smith
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 21, 2021, 05:28:30 PM
Did Barkley throw a strop when subbed again (I only saw up to the 65th min)?
The guy needs benching at the very least. He offers nothing and has contributed to the lack of cohesion in our midfield 3.
I don't really want to see any more loans again if they come with conditions (I'm guessing loaning Barkley has some).
Aston Villa should not be used by a player attached to a different club to further their international ambitions at the expense of our team (especially when they are so lacking). We are better than that. Besides we have our own players we need to be giving game time to to further their ambitions
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 05:32:01 PM
I don't think he's actually been good since day one. I've never thought watching any game he's played, "Wow"! I've always thought he's a myth, never seen it, more media hype a few years back at Everton when England were desperately searching for the "new Gazza" and the only choice was between Barkley and Wilshere.

Can't change my mind on someone because he plays for Villa now until he shows me something on the pitch like Lingard is doing right now at West Ham.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2021, 05:32:23 PM
His face was pretty neutral, but stripping off was a bit odd.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 05:33:37 PM
Did Barkley throw a strop when subbed again (I only saw up to the 65th min)?
The guy needs benching at the very least. He offers nothing and has contributed to the lack of cohesion in our midfield 3.
I don't really want to see any more loans again if they come with conditions (I'm guessing loaning Barkley has some).
Aston Villa should not be used by a player attached to a different club to further their international ambitions at the expense of our team (especially when they are so lacking). We are better than that. Besides we have our own players we need to be giving game time to to further their ambitions
Head down, sitting on the advertising boards, taking one boots off then walking to the corner, taking another boot off, then sat back down, took a sock off and on and on and on it went until he got to the dug out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 21, 2021, 05:34:54 PM
When you look at the difference between the impact he is having on us and that of Lingard as West Ham it is really quite staggering
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 05:39:26 PM
When you look at the difference between the impact he is having on us and that of Lingard as West Ham it is really quite staggering
Attitude. One's realised his career is heading in the wilderness, the penny hasn't dropped for the other.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simboy on February 21, 2021, 05:41:20 PM
When you look at the difference between the impact he is having on us and that of Lingard as West Ham it is really quite staggering


Thatís harsh. Youíre forgetting goals against Leicester and Southampton that won games and against Liverpool he was awesome, creating a number of goals.

Accept heís poor at the minute but heís played more than Lingard and contributed more than him this season.

Mind you Iíd drop him for Ramsey next game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 21, 2021, 05:42:30 PM
Did Barkley throw a strop when subbed again (I only saw up to the 65th min)?
The guy needs benching at the very least. He offers nothing and has contributed to the lack of cohesion in our midfield 3.
I don't really want to see any more loans again if they come with conditions (I'm guessing loaning Barkley has some).
Aston Villa should not be used by a player attached to a different club to further their international ambitions at the expense of our team (especially when they are so lacking). We are better than that. Besides we have our own players we need to be giving game time to to further their ambitions
Head down, sitting on the advertising boards, taking one boots off then walking to the corner, taking another boot off, then sat back down, took a sock off and on and on and on it went until he got to the dug out.

Thanks Tuscans.
By the sounds of it, the most deliberate thing he did all game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 05:47:21 PM
When you look at the difference between the impact he is having on us and that of Lingard as West Ham it is really quite staggering


Thatís harsh. Youíre forgetting goals against Leicester and Southampton that won games and against Liverpool he was awesome, creating a number of goals.

Accept heís poor at the minute but heís played more than Lingard and contributed more than him this season.

Mind you Iíd drop him for Ramsey next game.
That's not true. Both have 3 goals and one assist.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 21, 2021, 05:52:07 PM
Did Barkley throw a strop when subbed again (I only saw up to the 65th min)?
The guy needs benching at the very least. He offers nothing and has contributed to the lack of cohesion in our midfield 3.
I don't really want to see any more loans again if they come with conditions (I'm guessing loaning Barkley has some).
Aston Villa should not be used by a player attached to a different club to further their international ambitions at the expense of our team (especially when they are so lacking). We are better than that. Besides we have our own players we need to be giving game time to to further their ambitions
Head down, sitting on the advertising boards, taking one boots off then walking to the corner, taking another boot off, then sat back down, took a sock off and on and on and on it went until he got to the dug out.

It's annoying me tbh. Of course no player should be happy subbed and you can understand it if a player one week feels he hasn't done himself justice but he's done this 3-4 times in last month now.

Did he do this every time he was subbed for Chelsea last season? I imagine he just jogged off the pitch so think in his mind it's a status issue and he should be left on as long as possible as we don't have the quality Chelsea do.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: AV82EC on February 21, 2021, 05:55:20 PM
He's obviously as frustrated with the situation as we all are but you don't get plaudits for behaving like he does when substituted you take it on the chin then vow to come back stronger and prove it with your performance.  Quite what his teammates make of it I'm not sure but I'd like to think some of the stronger voices in the dressing room call him out on it IF he is acting the billy big bollocks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mellin on February 21, 2021, 05:58:28 PM
I don't mind the stropping for being subbed. We all laughed when Grealish did it. I do mind the drop in performance level though. Looked like he was trying today dropping deep to get something going, but not going for him at all at the min. Needs time out the team.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 21, 2021, 05:59:05 PM
when your performance was as pathetic as Barkleys was today, you have zero right to throw a strop when subbed
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 21, 2021, 06:00:31 PM
He wouldn't have got away with these pitchside sulks playing for Ron Saunders.
I suggest he starts putting in 110% effort on the training ground and (if selected) on match days, he may then find his form starts to improve.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Tuscans on February 21, 2021, 06:04:35 PM
Did Barkley throw a strop when subbed again (I only saw up to the 65th min)?
The guy needs benching at the very least. He offers nothing and has contributed to the lack of cohesion in our midfield 3.
I don't really want to see any more loans again if they come with conditions (I'm guessing loaning Barkley has some).
Aston Villa should not be used by a player attached to a different club to further their international ambitions at the expense of our team (especially when they are so lacking). We are better than that. Besides we have our own players we need to be giving game time to to further their ambitions
Head down, sitting on the advertising boards, taking one boots off then walking to the corner, taking another boot off, then sat back down, took a sock off and on and on and on it went until he got to the dug out.

It's annoying me tbh. Of course no player should be happy subbed and you can understand it if a player one week feels he hasn't done himself justice but he's done this 3-4 times in last month now.

Did he do this every time he was subbed for Chelsea last season? I imagine he just jogged off the pitch so think in his mind it's a status issue and he should be left on as long as possible as we don't have the quality Chelsea do.
Could be. Obviously we don't know him but he does act like how dare you sub me, do you know who I am? He has the Ozils about him, just worse.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simboy on February 21, 2021, 06:04:47 PM
When you look at the difference between the impact he is having on us and that of Lingard as West Ham it is really quite staggering


Thatís harsh. Youíre forgetting goals against Leicester and Southampton that won games and against Liverpool he was awesome, creating a number of goals.

Accept heís poor at the minute but heís played more than Lingard and contributed more than him this season.

Mind you Iíd drop him for Ramsey next game.
That's not true. Both have 3 goals and one assist.


However, you could argue scoring the goal in a 1-0 win is more beneficial. In truth comparison of impact has to be over all games played not just the last three or four, Barkley was played in a more withdrawn role for some of his games than Lingard, so clean sheets?

 Hes contributed but that has fallen off a cliff since the injury and then the COVID outbreak. That doesnít mean he should get sympathy, as heís been poor by the standards we expected over the last few games.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 21, 2021, 06:15:05 PM
He suffers from asthma, maybe he doesn't have it in the tank anymore.

Beckham, Paula Radcliffe, Mo Farah.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 21, 2021, 06:20:02 PM
I feel his antics when subbed are borne out of frustration with his own performance levels as opposed to any petulance in the direction of the management. He knows that a decent start to the season is slowly being frittered away to the point of no return to B6 next season. With that in mind , he has my sympathy but no way is he good enough nor fit enough at present.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 21, 2021, 06:25:09 PM
When you look at the difference between the impact he is having on us and that of Lingard as West Ham it is really quite staggering


Thatís harsh. Youíre forgetting goals against Leicester and Southampton that won games and against Liverpool he was awesome, creating a number of goals.

Accept heís poor at the minute but heís played more than Lingard and contributed more than him this season.

Mind you Iíd drop him for Ramsey next game.
That's not true. Both have 3 goals and one assist.


However, you could argue scoring the goal in a 1-0 win is more beneficial. In truth comparison of impact has to be over all games played not just the last three or four, Barkley was played in a more withdrawn role for some of his games than Lingard, so clean sheets?

 Hes contributed but that has fallen off a cliff since the injury and then the COVID outbreak. That doesnít mean he should get sympathy, as heís been poor by the standards we expected over the last few games.



Let's see if Lingard's contribution now falls off a cliff
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2021, 06:27:47 PM
Rubbish to be honest. Unbalances the side. Time to bench and give experience to Sanson and Ramsey.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 21, 2021, 06:30:55 PM
I feel his antics when subbed are borne out of frustration with his own performance levels as opposed to any petulance in the direction of the management. He knows that a decent start to the season is slowly being frittered away to the point of no return to B6 next season. With that in mind , he has my sympathy but no way is he good enough nor fit enough at present.

I agree with this.
I think he's seeing his England chance disappear after a promising start to his Villa loan spell.
It may change for him but now there is competition for his place big time and he's struggling to find an answer to keep his place in the starting 11.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 21, 2021, 06:32:56 PM
I'm possibly over reacting as much to his sulking as he did to getting subbed.

Grealish did it against Newcastle, but given that he's captain, given that he saw how the newspapers misrepresented his spat with Ian Woan, I'd be amazed he'd be naive or irresponsible enough to do that again.

With Barkley though, it's not a one off from him. The Sky cameras were looking for it given his reaction to being subbed against Arsenal.

A bad run of results, and clips of his tantrums will be held up as proof our dressing room is in disarray.

Far as Im concerned he can jog on. He's good at jogging.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: simboy on February 21, 2021, 06:33:24 PM
When you look at the difference between the impact he is having on us and that of Lingard as West Ham it is really quite staggering


Thatís harsh. Youíre forgetting goals against Leicester and Southampton that won games and against Liverpool he was awesome, creating a number of goals.

Accept heís poor at the minute but heís played more than Lingard and contributed more than him this season.

Mind you Iíd drop him for Ramsey next game.
That's not true. Both have 3 goals and one assist.


However, you could argue scoring the goal in a 1-0 win is more beneficial. In truth comparison of impact has to be over all games played not just the last three or four, Barkley was played in a more withdrawn role for some of his games than Lingard, so clean sheets?

 Hes contributed but that has fallen off a cliff since the injury and then the COVID outbreak. That doesnít mean he should get sympathy, as heís been poor by the standards we expected over the last few games.



Let's see if Lingard's contribution now falls off a cliff

Why? Who cares if it does or doesnít.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2021, 06:53:15 PM
Taking 5 minutes to come off the side of the pitch is all a bit 'woe is me' and focussing the attention on himself rather than just being a good pro and getting off the pitch quickly and supporting your teammates.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RichardBatchelor on February 21, 2021, 07:03:21 PM
Obviously I donít know the bloke but he comes across as painfully shy and somewhat troubled. Itís a crossroads for Barkley and I want it to work out for him and us. I think some straight talking needs to be done and the bench until fit and in better form. I thought his last good game was the first half v Newcastle. Pretty desperate since.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 21, 2021, 07:14:13 PM
Taking 5 minutes to come off the side of the pitch is all a bit 'woe is me' and focussing the attention on himself rather than just being a good pro and getting off the pitch quickly and supporting your teammates.

It was bizarre behaviour really and was like something you would see in a training game.  Not sure his walk past the Holte after that performance would have been that slow if it had been full!!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2021, 07:16:04 PM
Bring him on with 30 minutes to go, from the bench, next game.
Let's have some energy from Ramsey to start.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Des Little on February 21, 2021, 08:11:53 PM
Iím not sure if it is hamstring related, but he does look painfully slow. Personally Iíd take him out for the Leeds game, theyíre all pretty rapid and I think he (and we) would struggle to cope with it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TheMalandro on February 21, 2021, 08:30:23 PM
Send him back.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 21, 2021, 08:36:57 PM
Heís done a great job making sure we donít part of with them thick end of £40m to buy him. Chelsea canít be happy about that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2021, 08:39:18 PM
Either Smith has a total blind spot or his contract stipulates he plays if he declares himself fit.

Which is it?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 21, 2021, 08:46:04 PM
Either Smith has a total blind spot or his contract stipulates he plays if he declares himself fit.

Which is it?

Have you ever thought it might be neither?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2021, 08:49:12 PM
Either Smith has a total blind spot or his contract stipulates he plays if he declares himself fit.

Which is it?

Have you ever thought it might be neither?
I am struggling to come up with an alternative.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 21, 2021, 09:22:31 PM
What probably caused the sulk was that Barkley didn't like Smith shouting out: 'Hey, Ross, I'm taking you off in a minute or two.  So you can start warming up.'
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bryan on February 21, 2021, 10:34:53 PM
Heís dreadful. We look better when heís off the pitch. He offers nothing offensively or defensively.  He walks around the pitch slowing the play down and often playing dreadful passes in areas of danger.

He had 3 goals and 1 assist all season.

Tyrone Mingís has 2 goals and 2 assists and he doesnít play at 10 in an attacking minded team.

Get rid. Get better. But more importantly, get him out of the team now for Sansom, Ramsey, El Ghazi or Trez
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 21, 2021, 11:06:50 PM
Ross if you are reading this these people do not deserve you. They canít appreciate what you are all about. You know you are too good for this team and this club. Why donít you tell us to stick it up our proverbial, gather your belongings and return to the aristocrats at Fulham Road? Thatís where you belong.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Hillbilly on February 22, 2021, 12:49:46 AM
He's probably looked at Chelsea under Tuchel and realised he's got no place there. He's most likely to end up in the north east somewhere.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 22, 2021, 02:02:08 AM
Either Smith has a total blind spot or his contract stipulates he plays if he declares himself fit.

Which is it?
Neither
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 22, 2021, 03:48:28 AM
He's probably looked at Chelsea under Tuchel and realised he's got no place there. He's most likely to end up in the north east somewhere.

Perhaps if Sunderland are promoted or Newcastle relegated.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 22, 2021, 06:52:17 AM
Either Smith has a total blind spot or his contract stipulates he plays if he declares himself fit.

Which is it?
Neither

So what is it then?
Itís not he has to play?
Itís not Dean wants him to play?

Err it has to be one of the two options. I donít think we would be stupid enough to agree to a clause saying Ross has to play (would we?) so that means Dean wants to start him, as Dean picks the team
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: sid1964 on February 22, 2021, 07:11:42 AM
I would not be surprised if the deal is done and agreed £40 million and a 4 year £100k per week contract - he is Jack's mate, and what he wants he gets at the Villa.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 22, 2021, 07:52:55 AM
He's clearly not a bad player, regardless of what many people want to say. As I've said before, I think the issue here is that he's not fit. I'd say mentally as well as physically.

The worry is that Smith is trying to play him into fitness, a bit like he did with Drinkwater. Of course in the latter's case, it was never going to come whereas we've already seen some great stuff from Barkley.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 22, 2021, 08:00:07 AM
He's clearly not a bad player, regardless of what many people want to say. As I've said before, I think the issue here is that he's not fit. I'd say mentally as well as physically.

The worry is that Smith is trying to play him into fitness, a bit like he did with Drinkwater. Of course in the latter's case, it was never going to come whereas we've already seen some great stuff from Barkley.
I think this is probably right, Drummond, re Smith trying to play him into fitness.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 22, 2021, 08:16:32 AM
Either Smith has a total blind spot or his contract stipulates he plays if he declares himself fit.

Which is it?

Have you ever thought it might be neither?
I am struggling to come up with an alternative.

I don't know whether loan players have ever had it in their contracts that if fit then they have to play. When West Brom were playing West Ham recently West Brom were unable to play Robert Snodgrass who they'd just bought from West Ham on a permanent deal as it was a term in the deal.

I'm more intrigued by the consequences of reneging on such a deal if it were to exist.

An agreed fine?

An immediate termination of the loan agreement?

Hmmm........
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: mr underhill on February 22, 2021, 08:18:15 AM
We don't have the luxury of playing him into fitness - isn't that exactly the sort of shit we did with Drinkwater?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 22, 2021, 08:22:03 AM
He's clearly not a bad player, regardless of what many people want to say. As I've said before, I think the issue here is that he's not fit. I'd say mentally as well as physically.

The worry is that Smith is trying to play him into fitness, a bit like he did with Drinkwater. Of course in the latter's case, it was never going to come whereas we've already seen some great stuff from Barkley.
I think this is probably right, Drummond, re Smith trying to pay him into fitness.
This may account for his frustration when heís substituted. In his mind and Smithís another game passed when itís not clicked for him and to justify this method.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 22, 2021, 08:25:48 AM
Like a few have said when heís fit and on song heís certainly a good player. I just think depending on who we are up against we need to switch Barkley with someone more mobile and who will press.

We need to be a little more flexible with our shape. This is probably far more so in this division than Smith may be used to. Heís hopefully learning this too and will have to think about it more than just keep sticking by the same eleven week in week out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2021, 09:35:43 AM
Either Smith has a total blind spot or his contract stipulates he plays if he declares himself fit.

Which is it?
Neither
:o
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 22, 2021, 09:42:18 AM
I don't know why he needs to be played in to fitness. He was injured for 2 months but returned nearly 2 months ago didn't he? The truth is, he just appears to be not that good.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on February 22, 2021, 09:45:17 AM
I like him as a player, and I'm as baffled as any as to why his form has dropped off so much since coming back from injury.  He's just not looked like the same player who came straight into the side on his arrival.  It could be a temporary form thing, it could be fitness, it could be he's reverted to his 'norm' after a bump from a new environment - it could just be other teams are now tactically better dealing with our '10' position better than they were pre-xmas.  Whatever it is, they need to find a way to fix it.

I'd say he's playing himself out of a permanent move at the minute, which is a massive shame, because the Ross Barkley of his first half-dozen or so games would be a massive asset to the club.  The Barkley of the last half-dozen or so games would struggle to get in a lower-midtable side.

At his age, he's unlikely to become a much better player than he is right now, so it's all about consistency because his good performances are still very, very good. But, if at 27 we can only rely on him to put in a performance once every three or four games, then I can't see him becoming someone we can rely on week in, week out?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 22, 2021, 09:54:35 AM
Well there you go, we're nearly in to March and he's played about half a dozen good games. For an outlay of upwards of £50m to sign and pay him, that would be an astonishing misuse of funds.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2021, 09:55:09 AM
I have always believed there is an underlying fitness problem. At 27 he should be at his peak.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 22, 2021, 10:34:29 AM
...the Ross Barkley of his first half-dozen or so games would be a massive asset to the club.  The Barkley of the last half-dozen or so games would struggle to get in a lower-midtable side.


I'm struggling with "the Ross Barkley of his 1st half dozen games"
Against L'pool it was clear he was playing off Ollie and had no midfield responsibilities at all. He got one goal but should have had 3 or 4. L'pool playing such a high line and the Villa team doing no wrong that day contributed to the 7-2.
Teams that don't play a high line and forces us to press around their penalty area show up Barkley's shortcomings and the huge gap between him and the rest of midfield.
I didn't see the Leicester game but I'm sure reports at that time said he hadn't played well, but he got the winner. I also didn't see the Soton home loss or the win at Arsenal. Did he play well against a team we went 4-0 down to? I'll bow to better judgements re Arsenal.
Leeds at home he was poor and contributed to at least one of their goals.
As we all know he only lasted 2 mins versus Brighton despite not playing for 2 weeks due to internationals, giving him plenty of time to improve his fitness. I know hamstrings can go at any time, but in that Brighton game he hadn't even extended himself.
I'm not convinced his 1st 6 games were all that and the Ross Barkley we've been seeing for a while is the real Barkley as a player, who clearly isn't good enough for Villa and certainly not worth the figures being quoted for him imo.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pat Mustard on February 22, 2021, 10:37:42 AM
I have always believed there is an underlying fitness problem. At 27 he should be at his peak.

Something isn't right with him, he looks knackered after 5 minutes despite hardly ever breaking into a sprint as far as I can see.  He doesn't track back, and yet when we break forward he is nowhere near close enough to Watkins to provide meaningful support.  He constantly looks like he is running through quicksand to me, and shouldn't be starting games ahead of Sanson, Ramsey or Nakamba.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: thick_mike on February 22, 2021, 10:39:38 AM
I have always believed there is an underlying fitness problem. At 27 he should be at his peak.

Something isn't right with him, he looks knackered after 5 minutes despite hardly ever breaking into a sprint as far as I can see.  He doesn't track back, and yet when we break forward he is nowhere near close enough to Watkins to provide meaningful support.  He constantly looks like he is running through quicksand to me, and shouldn't be starting games ahead of Sanson, Ramsey or Nakamba.

Agreed, he looks knackered all the time.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 22, 2021, 10:44:44 AM
Abbeyfeale is right. Give Barkley no responsibility for defensive duties and he can be useful but as luxury players go, he still ain't all that.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ian. on February 22, 2021, 10:50:46 AM
Just looking at our attack at 0-0 yesterday when Ollie produced a bit of magic, only Traore is in the box, Barkley is not really near the action. He should be busting a gut to get into the box.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: spartacuss on February 22, 2021, 11:05:57 AM
Looks low on confidence and full-match fitness, so it doesn't do him or the team any good to have him starting.

D.S. now needs to re-calibrate him as an impact sub with a firm requirement for him to make a difference rather than coast through his limited time on the pitch.  He's got to put himself 'back in the shop window' and prove his capabilities rather than being judged by his provenance as having a 'big club' valuation/reputation. 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 22, 2021, 11:24:33 AM
If Smith starts Barkley against Leeds he wants a slap round the face with a wet fish. We can't afford any passengers whatsoever against arguably the hardest working side in the Premier League. At least with Traore you get a bit of unpredicatability and goal threat, but we can't afford two players who aren't known for their defensive capabilities, especially when one of them isn't contributing in any sense at all.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 22, 2021, 11:42:49 AM
I have always believed there is an underlying fitness problem. At 27 he should be at his peak.

There's an underlying attitude and application problem with him that he has had for years. It's why he never kicked on from a promising young player at Everton.

Like with the OP, I'm not buying the narrative that it's only since Barkley's injury that his form has become a problem. He was appalling in the home defeats to Leeds and Southampton, check back those match threads and you'll see ratings of 3 and 4.

Smith had a chance to lay down a marker then with Barkley then, I'm fairly sure for the Leeds game he was terrible for one or two goals by not bothering to track a runner. Instead he was given 90 mins in both those games and his laziness was tolerated.

Ross Barkley is nowhere near good enough to be given an armchair role in our team and we arent good enough to carry him. The penny should have dropped with him years ago (Conte treated him as a joke player at Chelsea for example) but evidently it still hasn't. Clearly hasn't much respect for Smith or the club if his repeated antics after being deservedly taken off are anything to go by.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 22, 2021, 11:52:13 AM
After his antics after all his substitutions over the last games, I'd love to see footage of him answering the question, "what did you think that you did well?"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 22, 2021, 11:54:52 AM
I have always believed there is an underlying fitness problem. At 27 he should be at his peak.

There's an underlying attitude and application problem with him that he has had for years. It's why he never kicked on from a promising young player at Everton.

Like with the OP, I'm not buying the narrative that it's only since Barkley's injury that his form has become a problem. He was appalling in the home defeats to Leeds and Southampton, check back those match threads and you'll see ratings of 3 and 4.

Smith had a chance to lay down a marker then with Barkley then, I'm fairly sure for the Leeds game he was terrible for one or two goals by not bothering to track a runner. Instead he was given 90 mins in both those games and his laziness was tolerated.

Ross Barkley is nowhere near good enough to be given an armchair role in our team and we arent good enough to carry him. The penny should have dropped with him years ago (Conte treated him as a joke player at Chelsea for example) but evidently it still hasn't. Clearly hasn't much respect for Smith or the club if his repeated antics after being deservedly taken off are anything to go by.

A fair summary there BB.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 22, 2021, 12:09:53 PM
I have always believed there is an underlying fitness problem. At 27 he should be at his peak.

There's an underlying attitude and application problem with him that he has had for years. It's why he never kicked on from a promising young player at Everton.

Like with the OP, I'm not buying the narrative that it's only since Barkley's injury that his form has become a problem. He was appalling in the home defeats to Leeds and Southampton, check back those match threads and you'll see ratings of 3 and 4.

Smith had a chance to lay down a marker then with Barkley then, I'm fairly sure for the Leeds game he was terrible for one or two goals by not bothering to track a runner. Instead he was given 90 mins in both those games and his laziness was tolerated.

Ross Barkley is nowhere near good enough to be given an armchair role in our team and we arent good enough to carry him. The penny should have dropped with him years ago (Conte treated him as a joke player at Chelsea for example) but evidently it still hasn't. Clearly hasn't much respect for Smith or the club if his repeated antics after being deservedly taken off are anything to go by.

A fair summary there BB.

Yup. Pretty much nails it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 22, 2021, 12:12:02 PM
Barkley has two settings - brilliant or abysmal.

Too much of the latter, not enough of the former of late.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2021, 12:23:01 PM
If Smith starts Barkley against Leeds he wants a slap round the face with a wet fish. We can't afford any passengers whatsoever against arguably the hardest working side in the Premier League. At least with Traore you get a bit of unpredicatability and goal threat, but we can't afford two players who aren't known for their defensive capabilities, especially when one of them isn't contributing in any sense at all.
and you definitely can not start with both of them and Traore is far more productive.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 22, 2021, 12:28:59 PM
Villa's Premier League results this season:

With Barclay;

W 6
D 1
L 7

Without Barkley;

W 5
D 2
L 2
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: exigo on February 22, 2021, 01:33:48 PM
As seen on twitter

(https://i.ibb.co/vYYk1DF/Screen-Shot-2021-02-22-at-13-33-03.png) (https://ibb.co/vYYk1DF)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 22, 2021, 01:34:09 PM
Villa's Premier League results this season:

With Barclay;

W 6
D 1
L 7

Without Barkley;

W 5
D 2
L 2

Wow Ok
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: placeforparks on February 22, 2021, 02:39:33 PM
Clearly hasn't much respect for Smith or the club if his repeated antics after being deservedly taken off are anything to go by.

agreed. i wonder how a full villa park would have reacted to some of his recent performances and reactions at being subbed?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 22, 2021, 03:05:16 PM
Clearly hasn't much respect for Smith or the club if his repeated antics after being deservedly taken off are anything to go by.

agreed. i wonder how a full villa park would have reacted to some of his recent performances and reactions at being subbed?

Well if he had tried sitting down on the advertising hoardings in front of a packed Holte End, I suspect he wouldn't be togging out for us again!

This isn't a kid either, he's 27 ffs, involved in top level football for nearly 10 years. There are no excuses. Shouldn't even need Smith to tear him a new one. Senior pros like Mings and Grealish should be letting him know that he is firmly at a career cross roads right now and his conduct on the pitch isn't remotely acceptable.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2021, 03:07:30 PM
I was confused by his exit, was he trying to get attention or was he just knackered?
It was very strange knowing the cameras were bound to pick it up.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on February 22, 2021, 03:07:31 PM
I think the thing that bothered me most about Barkley yesterday is that not only was he largely invisible in defence but when we had breaks, unless he was on the ball, he was 5-10yards behind play consistently.

Having a player like Barkley or Traore is a trade off, you sacrifice some defensive stability for a bit more creativity at the other end. Traore has, generally, paid back his part by being involved in creating and taking chances. Barkley just isn't doing that, he's not making us a better team going forward so his lack of effort coming back is all the more noticeable. I had issues with signing him in the summer (either on this thread or the general transfer thread) and they were about this exact thing, at Chelsea he developed a bad habit of doing very little to impact games if he wasn't scoring or creating goals. In his first few games with us he went totally the other way, he was involved in play much more, he was making smart runs off the ball to open space and he was picking key passes in the build up as well. Since he came back from his injury he's done none of that, he's a completely different player and I think it's a lot more than merely fitness.

As it stands I'd be upset if we paid £10-12m for him let alone the £40m that is supposedly being asked, I just don't trust him not to play like this for long spells because it's what he's done for about 4 years now.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: danno on February 22, 2021, 03:13:44 PM
Someone needs to remind him it's Dean Smith and Aston Villa who have taken a chance on him, not the other way around.

I can put up with people not playing well, but the pantomime stuff when he's taken off is clip round the ear territory.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: CT Villan on February 22, 2021, 03:28:01 PM
Deano has a cunning plan - as cunning as a fox whoís just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University...

Ross is playing like shit to get Chelsea to drop the price. We pay 5m in the Summer then he plays to his full potential and we suddenly have a 50m player.

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 22, 2021, 03:28:41 PM
I hope Smith's comments are just him defending a player, because if not they're a bit concerning:

"It's a long way off the mark to say things aren't working out for him," Smith reiterated, with the reporter suggesting things aren't quite going to plan for the England hopeful. "He had just been substituted after 73 full minutes.

"His numbers have been really good in terms of his output on the pitch and we have to remember he's been out for six or seven weeks with a hamstring injury and then had to play games to recapture that fitness because we haven't been able to train."

In terms of output he's been dreadful, and he's played 8 games now since being injured, and if anything he's getting worse. We also haven't had a mid week game in nearly 3 weeks, so the "not training" excuse is wearing a bit thin.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Paulo on February 22, 2021, 03:51:40 PM
Villa's Premier League results this season:

With Barclay;

W 6
D 1
L 7

Without Barkley;

W 5
D 2
L 2

Wow Ok


We are clearly better without Barkley in the team. The 2 loses were against West Ham (where we dominated, missed a pen and had Watkins last minute goal disallowed) and Man utd (where I thought we matched an inform utd team).

We were playing some great stuff and dominating games with Jack in the middle. Shoehorning Barkley into the team has made our midfield weaker and Jack easier to take out of games.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 22, 2021, 04:09:50 PM
I hope Smith's comments are just him defending a player, because if not they're a bit concerning:

"It's a long way off the mark to say things aren't working out for him," Smith reiterated, with the reporter suggesting things aren't quite going to plan for the England hopeful. "He had just been substituted after 73 full minutes.

"His numbers have been really good in terms of his output on the pitch and we have to remember he's been out for six or seven weeks with a hamstring injury and then had to play games to recapture that fitness because we haven't been able to train."

In terms of output he's been dreadful, and he's played 8 games now since being injured, and if anything he's getting worse. We also haven't had a mid week game in nearly 3 weeks, so the "not training" excuse is wearing a bit thin.


How long do they want to be given after injuries? You can't take months to get back to fitness. Wesley's totally fucked if that's the case, he won't be fit until 2028.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 22, 2021, 04:49:12 PM
The manager is doing what managers do, protecting his players in public.

Behind closed doors I would hope it's being pointed out that we expect a lot more.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 22, 2021, 04:54:25 PM
What worried me most was not the lack of fitness or apparent effort; more the simple passes from him that went badly astray. There's really no excuse for that from a supposed ball player.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 22, 2021, 05:08:59 PM
Villa's Premier League results this season:

With Barclay;

W 6
D 1
L 7

Without Barkley;

W 5
D 2
L 2

Well if with Barkley data was pandemic figures we will have to go into total lockdown.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 22, 2021, 06:57:52 PM
In fairness to him, he single-handedly won us four points with his brilliant winners against Leicester and Saints.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 22, 2021, 07:21:39 PM
I hope Smith's comments are just him defending a player, because if not they're a bit concerning:

"It's a long way off the mark to say things aren't working out for him," Smith reiterated, with the reporter suggesting things aren't quite going to plan for the England hopeful. "He had just been substituted after 73 full minutes.

"His numbers have been really good in terms of his output on the pitch and we have to remember he's been out for six or seven weeks with a hamstring injury and then had to play games to recapture that fitness because we haven't been able to train."

In terms of output he's been dreadful, and he's played 8 games now since being injured, and if anything he's getting worse. We also haven't had a mid week game in nearly 3 weeks, so the "not training" excuse is wearing a bit thin.
Those comments from Smith are a bit worrying ......Barkley seems to have some influence on his inclusion in the starting line up ......I do hope Smith is not being stubborn in respect of this particular player - would not be better to play Sanson (our player) for 70 mins and introduce Barkley for the last 20 - which is when he insists he is at his best (a strange statement declaring he is at his best playing against tired players - which I guess sums him up) 
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 22, 2021, 11:32:59 PM
Did you ever bump into Ross, while out walking the dog, Clive ?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dave shelley on February 23, 2021, 09:11:32 AM
Did you ever bump into Ross, while out walking the dog, Clive ?

If he did then it's likely Barklay would have missed the next few games with injury.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: richtheholtender on February 23, 2021, 10:47:20 AM
I have noticed that the 9 for 5.99 at KFC has coincided with Ross poor fitness and disappearance on the pitch
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ColonelBarkley on February 23, 2021, 10:55:39 AM
I have noticed that the 9 for 5.99 at KFC has coincided with Ross poor fitness and disappearance on the pitch

Games up. Youíve caught me. Better take advantage - last day today 🍗🍗
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 23, 2021, 11:11:19 AM
I hope Smith's comments are just him defending a player, because if not they're a bit concerning:

"It's a long way off the mark to say things aren't working out for him," Smith reiterated, with the reporter suggesting things aren't quite going to plan for the England hopeful. "He had just been substituted after 73 full minutes.

"His numbers have been really good in terms of his output on the pitch and we have to remember he's been out for six or seven weeks with a hamstring injury and then had to play games to recapture that fitness because we haven't been able to train."

In terms of output he's been dreadful, and he's played 8 games now since being injured, and if anything he's getting worse. We also haven't had a mid week game in nearly 3 weeks, so the "not training" excuse is wearing a bit thin.
Those comments from Smith are a bit worrying ......Barkley seems to have some influence on his inclusion in the starting line up ......I do hope Smith is not being stubborn in respect of this particular player - would not be better to play Sanson (our player) for 70 mins and introduce Barkley for the last 20 - which is when he insists he is at his best (a strange statement declaring he is at his best playing against tired players - which I guess sums him up)

No they're not. What manager would publicly shame his players and still hold people's respect?

If, and it's a big if, Barkley gets up to speed, he could be brilliant for us. He's shown it already, however, can he do it consistently. I don't blame Smith for trying with him, though I'd also drop him to the bench for Saturday and bring him on later, if he can do damage in the last 15, then bring him on then!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 23, 2021, 11:15:55 AM
Barkley is ok for the Villa side of last season but he will not be good enough for the Villa side of next season .  Lets hope we buy someone else .       Unfit, grumpy or whatever his problem is , he needs to be benched.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 23, 2021, 11:21:34 AM
Socks over the knees.  Unless you're Thierry Henry, and even then it's only just acceptable, GTFO.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 23, 2021, 11:35:37 AM
Socks over the knees.  Unless you're Thierry Henry, and even then it's only just acceptable, GTFO.

Maybe he's trying to impress Terry.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2021, 11:45:28 AM
Doesn't Bert pull up his socks to the extent that there's little of his long legs to ogle?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 23, 2021, 01:15:16 PM
Doesn't Bert pull up his socks to the extent that there's little of his long legs to ogle?

It's ok for Bert, it's part of the ensemble. Everything he does is delightful, even his shanked clearances are elegant.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2021, 02:54:38 PM
Shanks! Armitage Shanks!

*Sultans Of Ping FC (Forest fans but you can't win 'em all)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2021, 05:36:13 PM
Did you ever bump into Ross, while out walking the dog, Clive ?

If he did then it's likely Barklay would have missed the next few games with injury.
Ha ha - made me chuckle - I'm still waiting to have a chat with Jurgen after the Cup game ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 26, 2021, 05:44:39 PM
So Barkley is "putting the yards in " according to Smith
Don't make him productive though Dean :(
I'm more convinced than ever that if he is "fit"  he has to play
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 26, 2021, 05:45:41 PM
Yeah reckon heís starting tomorrow
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Pete3206 on February 26, 2021, 07:04:18 PM
Good, he's currently one of the best players we have.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2021, 07:08:44 PM
Good, he's currently one of the best players we have.
at what?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on February 26, 2021, 07:17:36 PM
Good, he's currently one of the best players we have.

What are you basing that on?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: levico on February 26, 2021, 07:37:17 PM
He may (or may not) be putting the yards in, itís just that he does it slower than most players on the pitch.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Border villan on February 26, 2021, 07:40:48 PM
Deano must be including the yards walking around the pitch on Barkley’s way past the Holte end.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 26, 2021, 08:28:59 PM
I don't think he should start tomorrow, but he probably will.
I'd love to be proved wrong with a great performance and goal from Barkley with a Villa win. If he starts and doesn't play all that well irrespective of the result the pressure will only increase on him and Deano.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 26, 2021, 08:34:02 PM
On current form it's madness from Deano if Barkley starts against Leeds. I'm hoping Deano has a cunning plan, but fear the same formation and tactics. I predict a loss if that happens.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 26, 2021, 08:35:08 PM
Good, he's currently one of the best players we have.when fit
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 26, 2021, 10:59:52 PM
Yeah, I was disappointed to hear Smith say that he was on course to be the player who covered the most distance between both teams last Sunday. Really? A pity he didn't cover a few more steps to help stop the shots leading to Leicester's goals.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 26, 2021, 11:35:09 PM
We once had an Australian player, Holman I think, who used to cover twice as much distance as any other player on the pitch whilst contributing nothing in defence or attack.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: rooboy316 on February 27, 2021, 12:58:37 AM
We once had an Australian player, Holman I think, who used to cover twice as much distance as any other player on the pitch whilst contributing nothing in defence or attack.
Heíd outrun Trez twice over in a game, such was his work rate. But heíd also make Trez look world class in terms of skill and composure, by comparison.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 27, 2021, 09:26:42 AM
After Grealish, Barkley is our next big name player. Said big name player has been playing shite for the last 5 or 6 games. Journalists are asking manager about big name player playing shite. Manager defends big name player in public in which ever way he can, on this occasion with the use of stats.

Itís hardly a shock is it.

Wouldnít it be weaker or in fact just stupid management to publicly berate said big name player who is woefully out of form?

Whatís more interesting than a press conference is if Smith drops or plays him and the reaction of the player, weíll know how thatís all going by about 6pm tonight.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on February 27, 2021, 09:33:53 AM
I was confused by his exit, was he trying to get attention or was he just knackered?
It was very strange knowing the cameras were bound to pick it up.

100% wanted the attention. Itís why kids through themselves on the floor in supermarkets. In both cases you look ridiculous. Barkley is effectively saying to Smith, how dare you take me off, do you know who I am type of attitude.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 27, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
I was confused by his exit, was he trying to get attention or was he just knackered?
It was very strange knowing the cameras were bound to pick it up.

100% wanted the attention. Itís why kids through themselves on the floor in supermarkets. In both cases you look ridiculous. Barkley is effectively saying to Smith, how dare you take me off, do you know who I am type of attitude.

Given that was the second such example, it makes Smith's continued defence of him a bit strange.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on February 27, 2021, 10:18:30 AM
It could be petulance or it could be utter frustration at his own performance. I'd hope it was the latter.

I suspect Barkley is the sort of player who needs an arm round the shoulder and support rather than a dressing down. I hope Smith works it out because on form he could destroy a defence. He just needs to bloody prove it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 27, 2021, 11:06:33 AM
Pure speculation on my part of course, but I am starting to think that there is an agreement of some sort that Barkley is entitled to start games (provided he's fit).  Also, that his acts of petulance whenever he is taken off is him expressing his disapproval at what he sees as a breach of an entitlement to not be taken off unless he's injured.

Whatever the case, I will be very disappointed if he gets to start the game tonight given the consistently poor level of his performances since coming back from injury (and yes, I know he scored a goal in a game).
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 27, 2021, 11:36:08 AM
if we had no options I can understand DS keep playing Barkley hoping it might just happen but while we have options he should be benched.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 27, 2021, 12:14:51 PM
I was confused by his exit, was he trying to get attention or was he just knackered?
It was very strange knowing the cameras were bound to pick it up.

100% wanted the attention. Itís why kids through themselves on the floor in supermarkets. In both cases you look ridiculous. Barkley is effectively saying to Smith, how dare you take me off, do you know who I am type of attitude.
How can you possibly make that comment without knowing Barkley personally?? Iím more willing to believe that he is frustrated with his form which, like several others, is below par
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on February 27, 2021, 01:02:05 PM
You can forgive an off game or two, what you can't over look is lack of commitment or effort. Not sure where Deano got his distance stats from but he never got within 3 or 4 metres of any player he was "closing down' and there was never an intention to actually challenge let alone tackle anyone.
He wouldn't make the bench if I had any say in the selection.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 27, 2021, 01:10:45 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on February 27, 2021, 01:31:37 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.

Couldnít agree more, the criticism borders upon hatred at times and is palpable.

We donít even own the lad, hope Ross has a blinder later.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 27, 2021, 01:54:05 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.

Couldnít agree more, the criticism borders upon hatred at times and is palpable.

We donít even own the lad, hope Ross has a blinder later.
Hatred?
Really?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 27, 2021, 02:17:18 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.

Couldnít agree more, the criticism borders upon hatred at times and is palpable.

We donít even own the lad, hope Ross has a blinder later.
Hatred?
Really?


If Ross Barkley was performing, showing commitment and a great attitude then there would only be plaudits on here.

He is being criticised because he is not showing the basic levels that would apply to any professional footballer.

If he plays today I hope he is sensational.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: paul_e on February 27, 2021, 02:38:00 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.

Couldnít agree more, the criticism borders upon hatred at times and is palpable.

We donít even own the lad, hope Ross has a blinder later.


No hatred here, I just think he needs to offer more in the final 3rd to justify his lack of defensive ability.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 27, 2021, 02:51:58 PM
Its a now or never situation.  He's clearly not fit but when has he ever been in his career.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 27, 2021, 03:04:58 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.
Absolutely it has been. I get that he hasnít been on form but then many others havenít either. Some of it is just ridiculous
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Ads on February 27, 2021, 03:10:56 PM
I think he's been utterly atrocious since he's come back. His effort off the ball is utterly unforgiveable and I cannot see why he is being picked on present form. I hope he pulls it round, but I don't think today is the day.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 27, 2021, 04:15:34 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.
Absolutely it has been. I get that he hasnít been on form but then many others havenít either. Some of it is just ridiculous

So do you think he should start? Taking your view of some of the criticisms out of the equation.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 27, 2021, 04:20:48 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.
I don't think it's been OTT on here (might be later on, mind). Rather, I see it as a mixture of disappointment and frustration that a supposedly talented lad doesn't do more to prove it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on February 27, 2021, 04:26:16 PM
Surely if heís not fit enough and is picked this falls at the gaffers feet right?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 27, 2021, 04:26:30 PM
I dont think the criticism is OTT. He is massively underperforming and not worthy of a place in the team at the expense of other players who deserve the chance to show what they can do and when they get their fleeting chance they demonstrate far more energy drive and ambition.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jcsutv on February 27, 2021, 04:31:05 PM
Dropped
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: jcsutv on February 27, 2021, 04:31:45 PM
A good option off the bench👍
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Allan C on February 27, 2021, 05:10:16 PM
He's been poor since coming back from injury, but I think some of the criticism is a bit over the top.
Absolutely it has been. I get that he hasnít been on form but then many others havenít either. Some of it is just ridiculous

So do you think he should start? Taking your view of some of the criticisms out of the equation.
Actually no, but neither should McGinn, Luiz and AEG who have played equally as poor and are off form. The other three havenít received anything like criticism that Barkley has.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Rudy65 on February 27, 2021, 05:18:49 PM
I was confused by his exit, was he trying to get attention or was he just knackered?
It was very strange knowing the cameras were bound to pick it up.

100% wanted the attention. Itís why kids through themselves on the floor in supermarkets. In both cases you look ridiculous. Barkley is effectively saying to Smith, how dare you take me off, do you know who I am type of attitude.
How can you possibly make that comment without knowing Barkley personally?? Iím more willing to believe that he is frustrated with his form which, like several others, is below par

I donít need to know him. Just that he is acting a prat and undermining Smith
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 27, 2021, 06:33:15 PM
I only asked about Ross!
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: colin69 on February 27, 2021, 07:42:54 PM
Started off well at Villa but clearly not what we need and I donít see any reason to start him any time soon. Saw tonight that we have better options.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: brontebilly on February 27, 2021, 07:45:20 PM
I guess Smith gave his judgement on Barkley's recent performances tonight, not a single minute.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 27, 2021, 07:49:26 PM
Taxi for Barkley ........looked a great loan but it's now obvious why he isn't getting a game for Chelsea .
Spoke to a few Evertonians this week about him and to a man none of them miss him........in fact one of them who has met him stated that he is not the "sharpest" intellect wise
His recent petulant behaviour following substitutions indicate he is not the most mature of individuals.
Was worth a try but it's not worked out for him or us- will be nice to see some of our talent given opportunities between now and season end
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 27, 2021, 07:50:43 PM
Barkley must have watched from the sidelines in utter confusion this evening.

"Why are the midfielders running about so much?"
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 27, 2021, 07:57:23 PM
Ross it's a bloody cheek that you were disrespected today and left out of the team. You are far too good and I would respect you even more if you went home and didn't come back back to B6 again this season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2021, 07:58:59 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 27, 2021, 08:02:48 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.

His lack of effort and attitude in previous weeks kind of deserves it though.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JuanMartinez on February 27, 2021, 08:07:27 PM
Some of the digs at a lad who hasnít even played are downright astounding, serious agendas at play.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: eamonn on February 27, 2021, 08:12:22 PM
Yeah, it wasn't his type of game to come on as we were defending a lead. He still has a part to play.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 27, 2021, 08:13:37 PM
Weíve seen what Barkley can do. Heís not done it for a while since his injury. Itís very unfortunate but no reason at all to have a dig at him when he hasnít even played.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 27, 2021, 09:02:42 PM
Of course he still has a part to play. At some stage due to injury or circumstance he will get back on either starting or off the bench. It may be in a couple of weeks or could be a bit longer. He should quite simply get his head down on the training ground to get himself as sharp as possible. When your moment arrives you grab it with both hands and make it difficult to be left out.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: nigel on February 27, 2021, 09:25:59 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.

His lack of effort and attitude in previous weeks kind of deserves it though.

He might not have been playing well, but I doubt very much itís any of the above two.

Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2021, 09:46:46 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.

Indeed. 

The role he played in the victories against Liverpool, Leicester and Arsenal gave us momentum in that early part of the campaign.

Had we not got that, we might be looking at a similar season to last year.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Nev on February 27, 2021, 10:14:33 PM
There was a point early on tonight when Ramsey harried one of their players into a mistake, giving the ball away inside their own half. That sort of commitment and energy was crucial tonight and for all his skill, Barkley simply doesn't offer us that. His undoubted skill in the final third means nothing without the work rate, that is the modern game and we saw Traore step up tonight to pitch in.
I wouldn't write the lad off at all but we might not have won that game tonight had he been selected and results it what it's all about.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: KevinGage on February 27, 2021, 10:38:06 PM
In games like today where we might expect to have less possession, there might be an argument to say the energy and destructive qualities of Nakamba and Ramsey benefit us more.

Whereas other games will see Barkley's nous in the final third tip the balance for us against teams who want to sit in.

It's a long barsteward of a season, going on til the end of May this year. Even if Barkley can't get back in for a month or so, if he comes back energised and hungry to contribute he might still have a massive role to play in the run in.

We've seen the folly of writing El Ghazi and even Nakamaba off in fairly recent history.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: olaftab on February 27, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.
Yes if not for nothing else than his petulant attitude when subbed.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2021, 12:34:54 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.

His lack of effort and attitude in previous weeks kind of deserves it though.

His lack of effort and attitude deserved him being dropped, not being made a scapegoat. It's a kick up the arse, especially as Southgate was there last night. It's up to him to respond the right way. If he does, he could do well for us the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Gerrin on February 28, 2021, 01:10:22 PM
Taxi for Barkley ........looked a great loan but it's now obvious why he isn't getting a game for Chelsea .
Spoke to a few Evertonians this week about him and to a man none of them miss him........in fact one of them who has met him stated that he is not the "sharpest" intellect wise
His recent petulant behaviour following substitutions indicate he is not the most mature of individuals.
Was worth a try but it's not worked out for him or us- will be nice to see some of our talent given opportunities between now and season end

I think it's fair to assume we won't be signing him permanently now. Grealish out and Smith drops him. Ramsey will get more minutes next season along with Sanson, no place for Barkley.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 28, 2021, 01:29:03 PM
I'm starting to think he was never more than a temporary signing, brought in to try to help the squad develop styles of play in readiness for the full-time inclusion of Ramsey, a young player of our own, brought through and now able to be gradually introduced in a way we've been unable to for what feels like forever. I also think there's similar thinking behind the Guilbert loan, he's now unlikely to play much and he's blocking the first team chances of a promising talented youngster.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 28, 2021, 01:47:03 PM
Talking of Sanson ( sonson)  , he has looked pretty good in his few sub apperances.    Definitely a quality player and probably why we wont buy Barkley in the summer.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on February 28, 2021, 02:11:21 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.

His lack of effort and attitude in previous weeks kind of deserves it though.

His lack of effort and attitude deserved him being dropped, not being made a scapegoat. It's a kick up the arse, especially as Southgate was there last night. It's up to him to respond the right way. If he does, he could do well for us the rest of the season.

I'd say there's no chance whatsoever of Barkley being picked by Southgate in the foreseeable future. It's not like England are short of good, attacking midfielders, so for somebody to break into the squad now you'd think they'd have to be putting in 10/10 performance for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2021, 04:45:44 PM
Talking of Sanson ( sonson)  , he has looked pretty good in his few sub apperances.    Definitely a quality player and probably why we wont buy Barkley in the summer.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him start against SheffU. It's time to 'blood' him properly.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2021, 05:27:37 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.

His lack of effort and attitude in previous weeks kind of deserves it though.

His lack of effort and attitude deserved him being dropped, not being made a scapegoat. It's a kick up the arse, especially as Southgate was there last night. It's up to him to respond the right way. If he does, he could do well for us the rest of the season.

I'd say there's no chance whatsoever of Barkley being picked by Southgate in the foreseeable future. It's not like England are short of good, attacking midfielders, so for somebody to break into the squad now you'd think they'd have to be putting in 10/10 performance for the rest of the season.

Former favourite Lingaard has found form again as well, there's going to be better players missing out as well.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Flin5tone on February 28, 2021, 05:39:18 PM
Terrible Attitude , just glad he is only with us on loan.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on February 28, 2021, 06:36:39 PM
Do we have to pile in on a player who didnít play? Heís had a ropey time, but heís also made important contributions.

His lack of effort and attitude in previous weeks kind of deserves it though.

His lack of effort and attitude deserved him being dropped, not being made a scapegoat. It's a kick up the arse, especially as Southgate was there last night. It's up to him to respond the right way. If he does, he could do well for us the rest of the season.

I'd say there's no chance whatsoever of Barkley being picked by Southgate in the foreseeable future. It's not like England are short of good, attacking midfielders, so for somebody to break into the squad now you'd think they'd have to be putting in 10/10 performance for the rest of the season.

I agree but his biggest motivation was to get into the England squad. Maybe he's given up himself and that's been a factor in his performances lately.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: algy on February 28, 2021, 07:20:27 PM
I'm starting to think he was never more than a temporary signing, brought in to try to help the squad develop styles of play in readiness for the full-time inclusion of Ramsey, a young player of our own, brought through and now able to be gradually introduced in a way we've been unable to for what feels like forever. I also think there's similar thinking behind the Guilbert loan, he's now unlikely to play much and he's blocking the first team chances of a promising talented youngster.
Yeah, have to say that I'm starting to come to a similar conclusion.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 28, 2021, 07:30:04 PM
85 pages of this thread is more than he ran against Leicester for how long he was on against Leicester.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: in exile on March 01, 2021, 10:48:53 AM
Has he gone back yet?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 01, 2021, 11:35:28 AM
Its not being dropped but how he reacts to it.

Be billy big bollocks and sulk - he can go fuck himself

Gets his head down and shows in training he is prepared to graft - then a great asset to have, especially to bring on and play himself back into form.

I would not give up on him yet but it is all about how he reacts. I think Smith has shown he is the boss
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: German James on March 01, 2021, 12:17:12 PM
I would not give up on him yet but it is all about how he reacts. I think Smith has shown he is the boss.
I agree agree with both these points. Smith has sent a clear message to Barkley and the fans moaning about his (Smith's) lack of flexibility and leadership. Barkley must be fully aware that it's no-one else's fault but his if he cocks up his chance at Villa and gets put in the equivalent of Chelsea's bomb squad next season, until they can offload him to Sheffield United.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2021, 12:29:13 PM
Good points too, GJ. Barkley needs to realise that this is all on him. He's 28 this year, and if we don't buy him in the summer, then he's almost certainly not going to be getting much of a look in at Chelsea next season. It would then be a case of trying to get another loan at somewhere mid-table with aspirations of finishing higher, but if it hasn't worked at Villa, I can't see the likes of Southampton, Wolves or Leeds queuing up to pay him £100K a year. His sulky reactions to being subbed in two games also won't endear him to many managers.

He's probably got one more big payday contract left in his career, so he needs to buck his idea up a bit. He's most certainly got the talent to do it.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 01, 2021, 12:31:58 PM
I can't help think that the effort isn't there because he's worrying about getting another injury.  He knows his body better than anyone else and it might be the reason he's holding back or appears to be holding back. I can't think of any other reason why a player who should be at his peak can't play to that level.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Drummond on March 01, 2021, 12:40:07 PM
We may see him on Wednesday, if not then I reckon he'll be back in on Saturday. He should be fully fit by then having had a couple of weeks to get sharp again.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Lsvilla on March 01, 2021, 12:43:43 PM
I think Saturday. Ramsey deserves to keep his place then take him out for the Wolves game.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2021, 02:48:02 PM
I think Saturday. Ramsey deserves to keep his place then take him out for the Wolves game.

Shouldn't we wait to see how he does first?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: LeeB on March 01, 2021, 03:20:34 PM
I think Saturday. Ramsey deserves to keep his place then take him out for the Wolves game.

Shouldn't we wait to see how he does first?

Yeah, after his 4 goal first half salvo on Wednesday, Dean can bring him off on the hour. He'll be fine for Saturday too.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on March 01, 2021, 03:24:26 PM
I think Saturday. Ramsey deserves to keep his place then take him out for the Wolves game.

You're right, I'd be reluctant to drop him if he puts in a close to MOTM performance, BUT he's still only 19, playing in possibly the most physical position on the pitch, and Wolves would potentially be his third start in 7 days.  That feels like a lot to put on a player who has just broken through, especially when we actually have a bit of competition in that position for a change.  I'm happy to see a bit of rotation in midfield, as long as the effort stays the same.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Risso on March 01, 2021, 04:40:37 PM
I think Saturday. Ramsey deserves to keep his place then take him out for the Wolves game.

Shouldn't we wait to see how he does first?

Yeah, after his 4 goal first half salvo on Wednesday, Dean can bring him off on the hour. He'll be fine for Saturday too.

I bet you it would still be Trez for Bert on 70 minutes! ;)
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: usav on March 01, 2021, 05:34:38 PM
I think Saturday. Ramsey deserves to keep his place then take him out for the Wolves game.

You're right, I'd be reluctant to drop him if he puts in a close to MOTM performance, BUT he's still only 19, playing in possibly the most physical position on the pitch, and Wolves would potentially be his third start in 7 days.  That feels like a lot to put on a player who has just broken through, especially when we actually have a bit of competition in that position for a change.  I'm happy to see a bit of rotation in midfield, as long as the effort stays the same.

Why the heck did Ramsey play for the U23s today if we have a game on Wednesday?  I don't understand that at all.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: OCD on March 01, 2021, 05:37:03 PM
Aaron Ramsey.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on March 01, 2021, 05:37:04 PM
Which Ramsey?
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Border villan on March 01, 2021, 05:44:56 PM
Which Ramsey?

Alf.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: usav on March 01, 2021, 06:20:27 PM
Aaron Ramsey.

Ah.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Smithy on March 03, 2021, 05:02:35 PM
The England team just posted a summary of the qualifying campaign for the Euros, and it's quite interesting how involved Barkley was just 2 or 3 years ago.  Starts, assists, goals. It would be great if he could get some international form going for the remainder of the season, esp as it's unlikely we'll see Jack for another couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2021, 05:04:35 PM
Not in the starting lineup today.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2021, 08:52:44 PM
Not in the starting lineup today...
... and ineffectual on his introduction.
Title: Re: Ross Barkley - signed