West Ham United vs Aston Villa STAYING UP!!!! - Post Match Thread

[themossman]

It must have been before the final round of games. Liverpool are on 96 points etc etc

Point remains Bournemouth are still more than a point behind us and not safe.

[yammers]

If the ‘ghost goal’ had stood and we had lost that game by a goal, then us and Bournemouth would have had same points, goal difference but have we not scored more goals so would have still stayed in 17th place?

[olaftab]

No. Season ended with us on -26 Bmouth on -25. If Sheff Utd "goal" had resulted in a loss final standings could have been us at 34 points -27 GD and Bmouth at 34 points -25 GD. 
But it's all wasteful waffle now. There is no guarantee that all other results would have been exactly as they were if that goal had stood or even if Sheff Utd would have won that game.

[Olof's Beard]

If the ‘ghost goal’ had stood and we had lost that game by a goal, then us and Bournemouth would have had same points, goal difference but have we not scored more goals so would have still stayed in 17th place?

Bournemouth finished the season on -25 GD, with us on -26. If we've have lost to Sheffield United, we'd have had -27 to their -25 and can down on goal difference. Doesn't change the fact that they have no real argument. You can't predict what would have happened in the remainder of the game had the ghost goal been given, it's ridiculous. To consider legal action 6 weeks later is just daft, I don't think they'll go through with it.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

It's a shame the goal wasn't given. We needed a wake up call and Sheff Utd were there for the taking. By not giving the goal probably cost us 2 additional points.

[themossman]

It's such an oversimplifation to change one variable and leave all the others the same. As said above, even within that one game it would have changed everything that happened after it. We might have collapsed and lost by 5 goals. Or we might have come to life and got the 3 points.

It seems reasonable that if we'd gone into the WH game needing a win we'd have had a better chance of getting it. It was clear at half time that Bournemouth were the threat and therefore a draw was enough. Again we might have gone all out for the win and been caught out on the break and spanked.

But this idea that you can change one decision in one game and simply adjust the points/table 10 games later is totally wrong headed.

[Mister E]

It's a shame the goal wasn't given. We needed a wake up call and Sheff Utd were there for the taking. By not giving the goal probably cost us 2 additional points.

You summarise my views on this entirely.
Our 'error' in the mini-league was not to give SheffU a good hiding.

[AsTallAsLions]

If action was taken and awarded against Sony for failures of the Hawk-Eye system, it would open up a massive can of worms for PGMOL and the Premier League around use / misuse and inaccuracy of VAR decisions over the course of the season, some of which ultimately cost clubs points - ourselves among them.

Any claim re: Hawk-Eye would never be successful.

[robbo1874]

Fk it- we had shit decisions from the tech. When we were all fuming people would say: they all even out over the season. Well they did unless you’re fkn Man U.  My dad congratulated Villa earlier (he’s 81) and was genuinely made up for me we stayed up. I still hate them though! Up there with Coventry for me - grew up in Nuneaton.

[eamonn]

Do we need to make a new topic out of this thread and move the last few pages over? Hopefully this is something that is  quietly dealt with and rival fans can moan about us for some other reason.

[dave.woodhall]

Do we need to make a new topic out of this thread and move the last few pages over? Hopefully this is something that is  quietly dealt with and rival fans can moan about us for some other reason.

Sounds a good idea.

[dcdavecollett]

Just to point out that you either opt in to the technology or you opt out. In the game under discussion, Bournemouth complain about the 'ghost' goal and how the technology should have given it.

After the game Wilder said that, in mitigation for the Blades being robbed, that Villa had a stonewall penalty turned down after the break. This decision was not looked at again by the technology, so, in that sense, we were 'robbed' as well.