West Ham United vs Aston Villa STAYING UP!!!! - Post Match Thread

[KevinGage]

This is what those West Ham dullards were banging on about.

The obvious difference between this and the Tevez Mascherano fiasco all those years back is this is one so isolated example of the technology failing, whereas they effectively gamed the system for the bulk of that campaign. With two players far in excess of their standing at the time who they wouldn’t have been able to sign other than via dodgy dealings.

I sympathise with the grievance they have nurtured since then (I don’t really). But not the same scenario at all.

Looks like West Ham were primed to get their excuses in should they have ended up in Bournemouth’s position. There is always next year, McGrath willing.

[Meanwood Villa]

Hawkeye error was a technological glitch that had nothing to do with us.

West Ham broke the rules signing Tevez and Mascherano.

Completely different situations.

I assumed any claim would be against the company, not us.

[Risso]

I'm fairly certain there will be something in the Premier League rules that states that clubs can't sue for failings in sporting decisions, which is what the Nyland non-goal was.  It's a completely different situation from a rule breach such as signing dodgy players like West Ham did, or intentionally cheating like Leeds did.

[RamboandBruno]

I'd made the mistake of leaving tawkspawt on earlier. The 10 o'clock show with shouty White and Natalie Sawyer and Simon Jordan were leading with it, with some sports lawyers too. I didn't listen beyond the intro, sorry.

Not at work today so was listening to that shite this morning. To be fair though both Simon Jordan and Natalie Sawyers blew it out of the water for the stupidness it is. Nevertheless the channel as a whole has been running with the story for the last 2 days along the lines of villa got away with it, and also alongside twisting Petrovs words that Grealish is good enough to play in champions league, to Petrov says grealish should play in the champions league. If not necessarily all the pundits, the channel itself seems to have it in for villa, with an editorial line this week that villa are lucky to stay up and grealish should go.

[villadelph]

Unfortunately for Bournemouth, and I know this isn't legal speak, but you cannot just assume a positive butterfly effect. "If Blades score there then Villa drop a point.." Its a wild assumption without any consideration for the impact it may have on the rest of that singular game, or our approach to the rest of the season. If Sheffield would've scored, would we have pressed them and score 3.. probably not, but that's my point. This example of one hawkeye failure is anecdotal and revisionist history is easy to criticize.

It's a shame they cannot accept responsibility for their low point total and look to make excuses elsewhere. I feel for them, we've been there.. but it's not exactly good form to look at results around the league to bail you out. We've all seen the VAR table, we'd be better off without it. Should we take legal action?

I hope they get their finances in order and stabilize in the Championship, but don't look to penalize another club for your lack of results over the last 11 months.

[AV82EC]

I'd made the mistake of leaving tawkspawt on earlier. The 10 o'clock show with shouty White and Natalie Sawyer and Simon Jordan were leading with it, with some sports lawyers too. I didn't listen beyond the intro, sorry.

Not at work today so was listening to that shite this morning. To be fair though both Simon Jordan and Natalie Sawyers blew it out of the water for the stupidness it is. Nevertheless the channel as a whole has been running with the story for the last 2 days along the lines of villa got away with it, and also alongside twisting Petrovs words that Grealish is good enough to play in champions league, to Petrov says grealish should play in the champions league. If not necessarily all the pundits, the channel itself seems to have it in for villa, with an editorial line this week that villa are lucky to stay up and grealish should go.

Simple solution, stop listening.

[CT]

I'd made the mistake of leaving tawkspawt on earlier. The 10 o'clock show with shouty White and Natalie Sawyer and Simon Jordan were leading with it, with some sports lawyers too. I didn't listen beyond the intro, sorry.

Not at work today so was listening to that shite this morning. To be fair though both Simon Jordan and Natalie Sawyers blew it out of the water for the stupidness it is. Nevertheless the channel as a whole has been running with the story for the last 2 days along the lines of villa got away with it, and also alongside twisting Petrovs words that Grealish is good enough to play in champions league, to Petrov says grealish should play in the champions league. If not necessarily all the pundits, the channel itself seems to have it in for villa, with an editorial line this week that villa are lucky to stay up and grealish should go.

Simple solution, stop listening.

I’m amazed anyone gives that shite the time of day.

[wince]

I'm reading that Bournemouth are considering taking action against Hawkeye for the 'ghost' Sheff Utd goal.

This must be on the entirely reasonable basis that had the goal been given the referee would have immediately blown the full time whistle to give Sheff Utd a 1-0 win.

Then every game following this would have proceeded exactly as they did with no  change of approach and the results would have been exactly the same.

This whole Sheff Utd 'ghost' goal analysis keeps Villa up shtick is just utterly bizarre.

Bollocks. There were 9 more games to play after. Also sets precedent to have all VAR decisions looked at which means we would have a total mess on our hands. Helped us but it’s not going to happen. If Bournemouth were less shit they would have got the points on the board. They didn’t

[Richard E]

I'm fairly certain there will be something in the Premier League rules that states that clubs can't sue for failings in sporting decisions, which is what the Nyland non-goal was.  It's a completely different situation from a rule breach such as signing dodgy players like West Ham did, or intentionally cheating like Leeds did.

Before you even get to that, Rule C.8 clearly states "The Referee's decision as to whether a goal has been scored shall be final." 

[hilts_coolerking]

They might win a case (although it seems unlikely) and they might win some money as compensation, but it would fuck football forever.

[Villafirst]

The Lansbury non-goal at Palace really pissed Villa and the fans off. But, annoying as it was, we got on with it. It's no good Bournemouth bleating about it now. They should've complained about it back on the 17th June, not six weeks later! They've not got a strong argument at all.

[wince]

Read the article on daily heil and it’s a click bait article. Had the goal occurred on last day then there is a point to be made. However they had 38 games to save themselves. 9 after lockdown. They didn’t and were relegated. There were also another 45 mins in that Sheffield game we could have responded to had we been a goal down.

By same rules, teams would be begging for compensation if a star player was crocked in a game by the opposition (if we had our striker we would have been playing like Brazil). Like I said, it’s shitty click bait

[DB]

They would be daft to even try. They know Hawkeye is not 100% correct. I heard that Hawkeye told the PL before they took it on, that there are occasions where the cameras could not see a portion of the ball it would not work, they clubs still signed up to it. It’s sport, mistakes happen. Imagine if they won? You would get lawyers going over every contentious incident.
No rules or laws were broken.

[rougegorge]

Bournemouth won't be expecting the decision to be reversed. I guess they would be looking for some kind of compensation. I know it's not the same scenario, but Sheffield United got compensation when they went down after the Tevez affair.

Bournemouth will find it hard to justify though, especially as it didn't occur on the last day. A lot of matches occurred between the event and the end of the season, and the Villa match itself would have run a different course.

I would think that Sheffield United would have been much more justified in taking action if adding 2 points to their overall tally could have given them European football next season.

[Lastfootstamper]

Wasn't Mings dragged to the floor for a penalty in the same game? Not that it matters, much like the non-goal. Fuck VAR, etc., etc.