Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2020, 12:59:59 AMQuote from: sickbeggar on July 13, 2020, 12:49:32 AMQuote from: Risso on July 13, 2020, 12:45:16 AMFear of not getting one's perceived fair share of scarce resources may be an inbuilt human trait, but it's got bugger all to do with the colour of a person's skin. How many different races do you think prehistoric man tended to see?larf. its fear of difference. Are you saying people who want the poles to go back to Europe aren't racist because they have white skin?I don't think anyone would suggest that.I'd suggest that a toddler called Smith would be unlikely to have an innate fear of one called Kowalski.If an adult, adolescent or, as in the case that started this thread, slightly older child was constantly being told that Polish people were untrustworthy, violent, dangerous, or any other unwanted trait you care to name, then they might dislike the adult Kowalksi.Prejudice is learned, not genetic.I disagree. Yes, a child taught that polish people have those characteristics by his parents could possibly grow up disliking them but not necessarily. Plenty of people around who's parents are a bit that way, but their offspring aren't, but would a 5 year old with no experience of family anti-polish bias find a polish schoolmate who spoke bad english, ate different food etc strange or different? I think they would, and that polish child would possibly experience bullying that had nothing to do with the bully's parents or upbringing.
Quote from: sickbeggar on July 13, 2020, 12:49:32 AMQuote from: Risso on July 13, 2020, 12:45:16 AMFear of not getting one's perceived fair share of scarce resources may be an inbuilt human trait, but it's got bugger all to do with the colour of a person's skin. How many different races do you think prehistoric man tended to see?larf. its fear of difference. Are you saying people who want the poles to go back to Europe aren't racist because they have white skin?I don't think anyone would suggest that.I'd suggest that a toddler called Smith would be unlikely to have an innate fear of one called Kowalski.If an adult, adolescent or, as in the case that started this thread, slightly older child was constantly being told that Polish people were untrustworthy, violent, dangerous, or any other unwanted trait you care to name, then they might dislike the adult Kowalksi.Prejudice is learned, not genetic.
Quote from: Risso on July 13, 2020, 12:45:16 AMFear of not getting one's perceived fair share of scarce resources may be an inbuilt human trait, but it's got bugger all to do with the colour of a person's skin. How many different races do you think prehistoric man tended to see?larf. its fear of difference. Are you saying people who want the poles to go back to Europe aren't racist because they have white skin?
Fear of not getting one's perceived fair share of scarce resources may be an inbuilt human trait, but it's got bugger all to do with the colour of a person's skin. How many different races do you think prehistoric man tended to see?
Some of the replies to the WMP tweet about this kid are so, so fucking depressing."OMG! IT'S ONLY WORDS! HOW CAN WORDS HURT ANYONE! YOU ARE IGNORING ASIAN GROOMING GANGS!"I fucking hate what this country has become.
We've got twin boys (2 years old at the time). About a month after they went to the childminders for the first time - they were the only children under her care - a couple of polish kids started. The oldest spoke a bit of English, the youngest could only speak polish. Literally before the mum had left the house they were playing together, and within a couple of hours they were both chatting away to the younger child in Polish. They'd never met any Polish person before.I'm not convinced they had an innate fear of poles taking the potatoes out of our back garden....
I felt sick when I heard this story and the fact that it came from a 12 year old makes it even more depressing. Not only is it a disgusting thing for Zaha to have to deal with crap like that it drags the good name of Aston Villa football club through the mud. A lot of people saying on social media that they hope we get relegated now as if we're all racists and we deserve it. Well we are NOT a racist club and we need to have our voice heard.We only have one more home game left to do this and I wouldn't know how to organise such a thing but if someone could arrange it I would love to see a massive banner on the Holte for our last game with Zahas picture on it with the words "The Holte End Supports you Louis" I might be a dreamer but that would really make me proud.
Quote from: The Edge on July 13, 2020, 09:30:36 AMI felt sick when I heard this story and the fact that it came from a 12 year old makes it even more depressing. Not only is it a disgusting thing for Zaha to have to deal with crap like that it drags the good name of Aston Villa football club through the mud. A lot of people saying on social media that they hope we get relegated now as if we're all racists and we deserve it. Well we are NOT a racist club and we need to have our voice heard.We only have one more home game left to do this and I wouldn't know how to organise such a thing but if someone could arrange it I would love to see a massive banner on the Holte for our last game with Zahas picture on it with the words "The Holte End Supports you Louis" I might be a dreamer but that would really make me proud.Who's Louis? 😉
Quote from: sickbeggar on July 13, 2020, 01:11:01 AMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2020, 12:59:59 AMQuote from: sickbeggar on July 13, 2020, 12:49:32 AMQuote from: Risso on July 13, 2020, 12:45:16 AMFear of not getting one's perceived fair share of scarce resources may be an inbuilt human trait, but it's got bugger all to do with the colour of a person's skin. How many different races do you think prehistoric man tended to see?larf. its fear of difference. Are you saying people who want the poles to go back to Europe aren't racist because they have white skin?I don't think anyone would suggest that.I'd suggest that a toddler called Smith would be unlikely to have an innate fear of one called Kowalski.If an adult, adolescent or, as in the case that started this thread, slightly older child was constantly being told that Polish people were untrustworthy, violent, dangerous, or any other unwanted trait you care to name, then they might dislike the adult Kowalksi.Prejudice is learned, not genetic.I disagree. Yes, a child taught that polish people have those characteristics by his parents could possibly grow up disliking them but not necessarily. Plenty of people around who's parents are a bit that way, but their offspring aren't, but would a 5 year old with no experience of family anti-polish bias find a polish schoolmate who spoke bad english, ate different food etc strange or different? I think they would, and that polish child would possibly experience bullying that had nothing to do with the bully's parents or upbringing.I had to go to sleep in the middle of all this last night. But looking at it with a freshish pair of eyes, it seems to me your mixing up, purposely, or otherwise, theories around survival of the fittest, particularly with references to mankind 50 million years ago and the fact in your eyes we’re all inherently racist. I don’t know what your politics are and it’s none of my business but it’s the kind Of right wing rhetoric that’s been bandied round by the tories subtlety or less so these days for generations, e.g. your poor because your lazy and work shy, not because your life chances are limited from the start in this country because of the post code you grow up under or the colour of your skin. Your wealthy because you deserve to be, not because in this country largely your white, male and middle class or upwards.What the tories never want to understand is the community is just as much a human trait, you can see it in football when such disparate groups of people come together under the banner of their club. Even within all of the above your arguments make no sense, your analogy of kids seeing other kids, say poles and seeing their different and not liking that difference, may happen but equally kids may be inquisitive and want to find out about the difference. Both my primary and secondary schools had a mix of West Indian and white Irish descent kids and it’s interesting that there was no or little racist behaviour that I recall until the early years of secondary school. It’s interesting that you are arguing that we are all hot wired to be racist and it’s not therefore about nurture and how we’re brought up or are personal experiences. I would argue the fact that so many people disagree with points to the very fact that at least some people have had different life experiences to you which have shaped their different views on issues of race, in itself I think that undermines your main point, which I still think excuses racism.
Are we really collectively responsible for every bell end who happens to follow the same team as us?