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Offline ROBBO

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #150 on: June 27, 2020, 09:42:09 PM »
I am a big critic of Smith but you can't get away from the fact that the money we spent last year was thown away. Cannot name one player that we bought is of premiership standard, where Wolves built a good side in the championship and added one or two quality players we had a pretty average team and threw money at the problem hoping players no one had ever heard of would be good enough, they are not, not a single one of them. The squad we have is mid table championship quality at best and thats with Grealish in it.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #151 on: June 27, 2020, 09:49:09 PM »
Donald Trump?

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #152 on: June 27, 2020, 09:54:52 PM »
Without making excuses, why were we playing our 4th game before everyone else plays their 3rd? Having already played an extra game that most of the others shouldn't we have been playing our 4th a day or two after most of the others not before in order to spread the fixtures out a bit?

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #153 on: June 27, 2020, 09:56:53 PM »
Donald Trump?

Actually meant our Randolph but you’re right on reflection DJT takes the second spot.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #154 on: June 27, 2020, 10:05:28 PM »
Without making excuses, why were we playing our 4th game before everyone else plays their 3rd? Having already played an extra game that most of the others shouldn't we have been playing our 4th a day or two after most of the others not before in order to spread the fixtures out a bit?

Maybe a fair point for today doesn't explain how shit we where in the first 3 games though ..we could of had a weeks rest and the game would have played out the same.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #155 on: June 27, 2020, 10:16:20 PM »
What is it about Aston Villa that has made us so far behind sides in terms of simple off the ball movement? We're 30 years behind the times in the way we play. It goes way back too. Pockets of good play aside, but never consistent, or seemingly without any forethought or grand plan, we play so rigidly. Even in better times under Gregory and O Neill, our play was pretty simple. With pube head we were very effective on counter attack, but as a possession side trying to break teams down, the movement was often poor. No small triangles, no pass and move, just a rigid 4-4-f-2. We've been the same way ever since, without an effective system and worse players.

Wolves by comparison, who weren't even that good today, coasted and every part about the way they played showed they've developed as fluid way of playing for a number of years. If a player receives the ball, another player has already anticipated the need to move and be in a position to receive the next pass. We don't do this and we've not done it for over 20 years. Frankly it's pathetic. It also highlights just why British managers have struggled for success this century and foreign coaches have become more successful. Then you look back at our meat and potatoes appointments, almost entirely predictable and uninspiring. There's a lot of intelligence in the way modern sides set up and train, but we're so far behind still. Unfortunately our choice in foreign coaches has been poor recently. There were some signs of Houllier instilling a bit more subtlety into our game, but we undid that all with the next appointment.

We've got to once again tear it all up, go back to square one and rebuild in the championship. But whoever the new manager is, needs tactical nous and an understanding of the modern game. In recent premier league times there haven't been many sides as consistently frustrating to watch as us in terms of passing and movement, in that ability to play in tight spaces. And the worst part is, we have a player like Grealish who'd absolutely excel if we could just drag ourselves out this outdated mentality.

This! Except maybe the Gregory bit, his teams' style of play swung quite a bit from dour to quite exciting at times.

But static players, ponderous passing, an inability to work clear cut chances - this is the "Villa DNA". It doesn't matter who's in the coaching team, the results are broadly the same. My unscientific opinion is that it's been this way since Bodymoor got redeveloped (under Lerner I think). I don't know what they did there, maybe they turn footballers into gym monkeys or something, but the question "what do they do in training?" pops up all too regularly.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #156 on: June 27, 2020, 10:17:06 PM »
Without making excuses, why were we playing our 4th game before everyone else plays their 3rd? Having already played an extra game that most of the others shouldn't we have been playing our 4th a day or two after most of the others not before in order to spread the fixtures out a bit?

We've lost 19 games (so far) this season, none of them were about fixture congestion.

Wolves were poor enough today. It wasn't fatigue stopping us from being able to score a single goal against them, it was a total lack of ideas and general ability outside of the 1 or 2 obvious players.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #157 on: June 27, 2020, 10:19:53 PM »
It was mentioned in commentary that these are chasing CL on two fronts, and that they'd be a match for anyone in Europe. And post-match, that if they were competing in any other league, they'd definitely be CL qualifiers. A front two with 30 already this season.
We, on the other hand, apparently have a mid-table Championship ability squad playing with no organisation, plan, imagination or drive.
Yet it finished 1-0, and other than the goal, our keeper barely needed another save worthy of the name.
Funny old game, innit.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #158 on: June 27, 2020, 10:33:22 PM »
Without making excuses, why were we playing our 4th game before everyone else plays their 3rd? Having already played an extra game that most of the others shouldn't we have been playing our 4th a day or two after most of the others not before in order to spread the fixtures out a bit?
Some might argue that the extra game would show our improved fitness and sharpness.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #159 on: June 27, 2020, 10:43:20 PM »
What is it about Aston Villa that has made us so far behind sides in terms of simple off the ball movement? We're 30 years behind the times in the way we play. It goes way back too. Pockets of good play aside, but never consistent, or seemingly without any forethought or grand plan, we play so rigidly. Even in better times under Gregory and O Neill, our play was pretty simple. With pube head we were very effective on counter attack, but as a possession side trying to break teams down, the movement was often poor. No small triangles, no pass and move, just a rigid 4-4-f-2. We've been the same way ever since, without an effective system and worse players.

Wolves by comparison, who weren't even that good today, coasted and every part about the way they played showed they've developed as fluid way of playing for a number of years. If a player receives the ball, another player has already anticipated the need to move and be in a position to receive the next pass. We don't do this and we've not done it for over 20 years. Frankly it's pathetic. It also highlights just why British managers have struggled for success this century and foreign coaches have become more successful. Then you look back at our meat and potatoes appointments, almost entirely predictable and uninspiring. There's a lot of intelligence in the way modern sides set up and train, but we're so far behind still. Unfortunately our choice in foreign coaches has been poor recently. There were some signs of Houllier instilling a bit more subtlety into our game, but we undid that all with the next appointment.

We've got to once again tear it all up, go back to square one and rebuild in the championship. But whoever the new manager is, needs tactical nous and an understanding of the modern game. In recent premier league times there haven't been many sides as consistently frustrating to watch as us in terms of passing and movement, in that ability to play in tight spaces. And the worst part is, we have a player like Grealish who'd absolutely excel if we could just drag ourselves out this outdated mentality.

For me it’s the British manager thing - there is a reason all the top clubs are managed by foreign managers - they have moved on and we are still stuck in the 70’s. There are plenty of promising managers in Germany, Spain, Argentina, France etc who’d pay their own taxi fare to B6 - do our new owners have the nous to go with their money??
I think you're absolutely spot on with that comment. Generally, British managers and coaches tend to lack intelligence, including emotional intelligence, whereas those from abroad appear streets ahead in terms of their overall ability to manage and develop. I thought it very telling that Douglas Luiz only found out the meaning of the phrase 'man on' during lockdown!

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #160 on: June 27, 2020, 10:44:51 PM »
It was mentioned in commentary that these are chasing CL on two fronts, and that they'd be a match for anyone in Europe. And post-match, that if they were competing in any other league, they'd definitely be CL qualifiers. A front two with 30 already this season.
We, on the other hand, apparently have a mid-table Championship ability squad playing with no organisation, plan, imagination or drive.
Yet it finished 1-0, and other than the goal, our keeper barely needed another save worthy of the name.
Funny old game, innit.

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

If we were having a season like Wolves , we'd be walking round with a smile like the Cheshire Cat , but unfortunately we've all got a face like a slapped arse.  (I know your quote was about today's game , but  it sums up my feelings about the season and the reality that today was the first nail in the coffin)

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #161 on: June 27, 2020, 10:48:21 PM »
It was mentioned in commentary that these are chasing CL on two fronts, and that they'd be a match for anyone in Europe. And post-match, that if they were competing in any other league, they'd definitely be CL qualifiers. A front two with 30 already this season.
We, on the other hand, apparently have a mid-table Championship ability squad playing with no organisation, plan, imagination or drive.
Yet it finished 1-0, and other than the goal, our keeper barely needed another save worthy of the name.
Funny old game, innit.


Well it is, but if you look at any game in isolation that can happen. It’s the fact they consistently win and we consistently lose that separates us.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #162 on: June 27, 2020, 11:04:59 PM »
Wolves were playing in third gear with the handbrake on and still beat us. Smith moaning about the fixture pile up when they’ve racked up god knows how many more games than us so far is also embarrassing. Today was further proof that as a club, we’ve made a proper pigs ear of what was a fantastic opportunity to build something great. It’s a mess.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #163 on: June 27, 2020, 11:08:36 PM »
Wolves were playing in third gear with the handbrake on and still beat us. Smith moaning about the fixture pile up when they’ve racked up god knows how many more games than us so far is also embarrassing. Today was further proof that as a club, we’ve made a proper pigs ear of what was a fantastic opportunity to build something great. It’s a mess.

Spot on, Des.

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Re: Aston Villa v Wolves Post Match Thread.
« Reply #164 on: June 27, 2020, 11:14:21 PM »
They weren't, that's how the Wolves play. Very compact and organised.

 


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