Aston Villa v Chelsea Post Match Thread

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Have to disagree that we overpaid for Mings, £25m and he's a 27 year old England International. I think if we sold him he'd make a slight profit, and at the very least get our money back.

As we saw last time we went down, the offers we get will be low as PL clubs know 1. we will need to sell to balance the books and 2. Players will agitate for a move.

No way are we getting our money back on Mings. Have seen numbers as large as £100m banded around for Grealish, but can't see us getting more than £35-40m for him. We will not be in a strong negotiating position.

Suso needs binning before we spend any money next window, and Smith needs to go now to give us a chance of staying up.

If clubs offer £40m for Grealish, then we won't sell him.

[ASHTONVILLA]

Have to disagree that we overpaid for Mings, £25m and he's a 27 year old England International. I think if we sold him he'd make a slight profit, and at the very least get our money back.

As we saw last time we went down, the offers we get will be low as PL clubs know 1. we will need to sell to balance the books and 2. Players will agitate for a move.

No way are we getting our money back on Mings. Have seen numbers as large as £100m banded around for Grealish, but can't see us getting more than £35-40m for him. We will not be in a strong negotiating position.

Suso needs binning before we spend any money next window, and Smith needs to go now to give us a chance of staying up.

If clubs offer £40m for Grealish, then we won't sell him.

Hope not, would rather keep him. But if the alternative is being blocked from promotion or a points deduction for breaching FFP he will go for a lower price than we would like.

[Mister E]

The like for like substitutions are the most annoying thing for me about the mess at the moment, and they are utterly predictable.

Problem is: we don't appear to have the squad members that could be brought on to do something different.

[Mister E]

...  We were out gunned and outplayed ... It reminded me of a Bruce performance.  If you invite a team on for 90 minutes the chances are they are going to score.  We just couldn't retain the ball and when we did get it invariably it ended with a hopeful punt ... I'm disappointed with Smith and the coaching team - they had no idea of how to get us into the game.  But I don't think 3 at the back or two up front or even playing Jack in the middle will be some silver bullet.  I came to the conclusion some time ago that most the players just aren't good enough.  Our recruitment over the last two windows is nothing short of dreadful ...

This is a perfect summary of our current plight, which is why I think we are going down.
Wednesday is now a 'must-win': not so much from a points perspective (which is clearly important) but from a team morale perspective. We will probably lose to Spud'ead's Jawdie boys; another humiliation.

What we now need to do is (once again) rebuild, but with the view that every position in the squad is filled with capable and progressive players; giving us variety, strength in depth and complementariness. Reliance on 2 or 3 players each week doesn't do it. A squad that has Lansbury, Jota and Baston in it is not going anywhere but down!

[LeeB]

Have to disagree that we overpaid for Mings, £25m and he's a 27 year old England International. I think if we sold him he'd make a slight profit, and at the very least get our money back.

As we saw last time we went down, the offers we get will be low as PL clubs know 1. we will need to sell to balance the books and 2. Players will agitate for a move.

No way are we getting our money back on Mings. Have seen numbers as large as £100m banded around for Grealish, but can't see us getting more than £35-40m for him. We will not be in a strong negotiating position.

Suso needs binning before we spend any money next window, and Smith needs to go now to give us a chance of staying up.

If clubs offer £40m for Grealish, then we won't sell him.

Hope not, would rather keep him. But if the alternative is being blocked from promotion or a points deduction for breaching FFP he will go for a lower price than we would like.

...  We were out gunned and outplayed ... It reminded me of a Bruce performance.  If you invite a team on for 90 minutes the chances are they are going to score.  We just couldn't retain the ball and when we did get it invariably it ended with a hopeful punt ... I'm disappointed with Smith and the coaching team - they had no idea of how to get us into the game.  But I don't think 3 at the back or two up front or even playing Jack in the middle will be some silver bullet.  I came to the conclusion some time ago that most the players just aren't good enough.  Our recruitment over the last two windows is nothing short of dreadful ...

This is a perfect summary of our current plight, which is why I think we are going down.
Wednesday is now a 'must-win': not so much from a points perspective (which is clearly important) but from a team morale perspective. We will probably lose to Spud'ead's Jawdie boys; another humiliation.

What we now need to do is (once again) rebuild, but with the view that every position in the squad is filled with capable and progressive players; giving us variety, strength in depth and complementariness. Reliance on 2 or 3 players each week doesn't do it. A squad that has Lansbury, Jota and Baston in it is not going anywhere but down!

Those last three you mention were shit in the Championship last season also. Lansbury couldn't get a game, Jota was in and out at Blues, and Baston had done shite all at Swansea bar a flurry of goals at the start of this season.

[trinityoap]

I always try to look for the positives after a game .I am positive that we are simply not good enough,positive that (sadly)Smith is completely out of his depth and positive that if he stays we will go down.

[Mister E]

...  We were out gunned and outplayed ... It reminded me of a Bruce performance.  If you invite a team on for 90 minutes the chances are they are going to score.  We just couldn't retain the ball and when we did get it invariably it ended with a hopeful punt ... I'm disappointed with Smith and the coaching team - they had no idea of how to get us into the game.  But I don't think 3 at the back or two up front or even playing Jack in the middle will be some silver bullet.  I came to the conclusion some time ago that most the players just aren't good enough.  Our recruitment over the last two windows is nothing short of dreadful ...

This is a perfect summary of our current plight, which is why I think we are going down.
Wednesday is now a 'must-win': not so much from a points perspective (which is clearly important) but from a team morale perspective. We will probably lose to Spud'ead's Jawdie boys; another humiliation.

What we now need to do is (once again) rebuild, but with the view that every position in the squad is filled with capable and progressive players; giving us variety, strength in depth and complementariness. Reliance on 2 or 3 players each week doesn't do it. A squad that has Lansbury, Jota and Baston in it is not going anywhere but down!

Those last three you mention were shit in the Championship last season also. Lansbury couldn't get a game, Jota was in and out at Blues, and Baston had done shite all at Swansea bar a flurry of goals at the start of this season.

Agreed - there's the irony of our squad fillers. We'd be better off giving a couple of enthusiastic youngsters a seat on the bench and some game-minutes.

[ASHTONVILLA]

I always try to look for the positives after a game .I am positive that we are simply not good enough,positive that (sadly)Smith is completely out of his depth and positive that if he stays we will go down.

And more to the point, if he stays we will not get back up.

[itbrvilla]

The only positive was Luiz.

[chrisw1]

I always try to look for the positives after a game .I am positive that we are simply not good enough,positive that (sadly)Smith is completely out of his depth and positive that if he stays we will go down.

And more to the point, if he stays we will not get back up.

We might so long as Suso isn't buying the players.

Given a decent squad Smith can set up a competivie team.  He just seems to struggle with any plan B or C when handed an inadequate squad.

[sid1964]

Whether we stay up or go down, I cannot see the club sticking with Dean, which for me is a shame, i did believe that he was the man to take us forward, but after the last few performances i cannot see him staying (hopefully Terry will also be gone, when we scored yesterday, it seemed that he did not really want to applaud the goal against his beloved Chelsea!)

Purslow and Jesus will be under threat of losing their jobs as well, whether we stay up or go down.

[hilts_coolerking]

We might so long as Suso isn't buying the players.

Given a decent squad Smith can set up a competivie team.  He just seems to struggle with any plan B or C when handed an inadequate squad.

I don't believe he was "handed" an inadequate squad.  I agree it's inadequate but there are several very good players there (plus another couple who are improving well).  I don't think his involvement in transfers is nil.  Nor do I think his tactical inflexibility, inability to change a game in progress, his desperately unimaginative use of subs, his defensive organisation, and meek approach are down to the squad.  It's just too simplistic to say it's Suso's fault and Dean's hands are tied.

[CT]

Mings has been a massive, massive disappointment this year.

Unfortunately, as always seems to happen to us, he played for England and it started to go downhill from there.

For me, he hasn’t been the same player since, certainly not the Captain material some see in him.

I’m completely guessing here, but I think he’s had his had turned, possibly several times and reckon he’ll be gone at the end of the season, regardless of what division we are in. 

[chrisw1]

We might so long as Suso isn't buying the players.

Given a decent squad Smith can set up a competivie team.  He just seems to struggle with any plan B or C when handed an inadequate squad.

I don't believe he was "handed" an inadequate squad.  I agree it's inadequate but there are several very good players there (plus another couple who are improving well).  I don't think his involvement in transfers is nil.  Nor do I think his tactical inflexibility, inability to change a game in progress, his desperately unimaginative use of subs, his defensive organisation, and meek approach are down to the squad.  It's just too simplistic to say it's Suso's fault and Dean's hands are tied.

I didn't say that.  I said he struggles with a Plan B & C and so yes I think he's culpable.

But my suspicion is he has very little involvement in transfers and I do think if you just swapped the Wesley, Trez & Nakamba signings for 3 decent UK based players we'd have had far more chance off survival.

[ROBBO]

Anyone expecting a result against Newcastle are in for disappointment after the way they put Sheff Utd away.