Aston Villa v Chelsea Post Match Thread

[Sexual Ealing]

We go down we will lose a few players like Grealish, McGinn and Mings. But without FFP, financially, we get to do what the fuck we like. Which is fortunate when your owners have more money than everybody else.

Apart from Bruce at Newcastle I'm not sure which PL club would take McGinn. He still has a lot to prove at this level.

I can only think of a couple that wouldn't.

[PaulWinch again]

Agree the only questions are whether they’d pay the price we want, and whether he’d push for a move if they didn’t.

[Clampy]

Lots of 'he was never good enough, should never have been chosen in the first place' type revisionism from people who were not saying that when he was appointed. That said, I do wonder how far he would take us even if we stayed up.

[hilts_coolerking]

Lots of 'he was never good enough, should never have been chosen in the first place' type revisionism from people who were not saying that when he was appointed.

Who?

[Toronto Villa]

He was a good appointment and his positive play was absolutely the reason we came from nowhere to go up. The question I might have in hindsight is whether going up was all a bit too fast? That we structurally weren’t ready for it. Another season down, building properly would have avoided some of the buys we made. Players that were bought to fill needs but not good enough to be quality needed to remain a PL club. And that includes the manager who could have taken more time to know his job at such a big club with immense expectations. It’s just swallowed him as it has done to many others in our past.

[brian green]

It is not revisionism to judge somebody on their performance in a job.  In any business it is an unavoidable neccessity.  He earned his shot at being a Premiership manager, no reasonable person would begrudge it him but it is clearly not working.  It is very sad but has to be faced.

[PaulWinch again]

It is not revisionism to judge somebody on their performance in a job.  In any business it is an unavoidable neccessity.  He earned his shot at being a Premiership manager, no reasonable person would begrudge it him but it is clearly not working.  It is very sad but has to be faced.

Yep agreed. We are perpetually making the same mistakes and that just cannot happen.

[LukeJames]

The like for like substitutions are the most annoying thing for me about the mess at the moment, and they are utterly predictable.

[Steve67]

The like for like substitutions are the most annoying thing for me about the mess at the moment, and they are utterly predictable.

I agree. They show sheer rigidity of thinking.  If you are going to make a like for like change, surely the player coming on needs to be better than the one exiting? Jota, Trezeguet are just both championship sock fillers.

[RamboandBruno]

It is not revisionism to judge somebody on their performance in a job.  In any business it is an unavoidable neccessity.  He earned his shot at being a Premiership manager, no reasonable person would begrudge it him but it is clearly not working.  It is very sad but has to be faced.

Whilst I don’t completely disagree about your overall point regarding Smith in the premier, you did start out by saying that it was a bad appointment overall or you at least hinted at it. This is revisionist, given that he got us up in unlikely circumstances last year. Last year despite some ups and downs he did a very good job.

[Legion]

Which was largely down to the return of Grealish who is/was head and shoulders above anyone else at that level.

[brian green]

Where did I say it was a bad appointment?

[ChicagoLion]

The like for like substitutions are the most annoying thing for me about the mess at the moment, and they are utterly predictable.

It’s not just like for like its usually reactive and too late.
I doubt if any other manager has lost more points from winning positions.

[David_Nab]

Which was largely down to the return of Grealish who is/was head and shoulders above anyone else at that level.

That and Tammy McGinn and Mings where very good at that level .In terms of Grealish he is now the most fouled player in prem league history , the PL have wised up to him and just foul him every game and we have no other outlet.

[RamboandBruno]

Where did I say it was a bad appointment?

Apologies if I misinterpreted what you said. I presumed that when you said he only got interviewed and appointed as he was a villa, that you believed it was a bad appointment. Like I said apologies if you didn’t mean that.