Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread

[sickbeggar]

End of the day you have to back the manager or sack him imo. I'm not a fan of choosing players by committee - manager wants A, gets C etc. Yeah C may be on paper be as good or better than the manager's choice, but you can't fake a manager who really wants a player to join or the ability of a player to run through walls for a manager who believes in him. So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

On a more general point,  our signings so far seem to have fallen into the obsession with value, that Lerner lately suffered from after MON left. Actually the complete misunderstanding of what "value" means.  Yes of course this club needs to buy young players with potential like McGinn and watkins or cash, with resale value, but you still need to buy the older players at 29/30/31 with no-resale value who will provide experience when we're struggling, ESPECIALLY where we are now, because blooding a championship player or foreign lower league at 23 or 24 may insure you get someone you can sell at 28 for 30m, but it won't make up for the 100m cost of relegation while they find their feet or not.. That's not a go at Watkins, that's just a view of the players we bought after coming up, and the way it seems to be  going this summer.

[paul_e]

Asked a mate from work (Norwegian) who he is and his response was that he's pretty good, big, strong and works hard but keeps it simple and won't score or create much so would be the a DM in England and would need someone creative alongside him.

[Rory]

So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

Are they? Genuine question, as I'm not on Twitter and don't read that rag.


Given the current market, I think the reported fee for Watkins is perfectly reasonable.

[LukeJames]

Asked a mate from work (Norwegian) who he is and his response was that he's pretty good, big, strong and works hard but keeps it simple and won't score or create much so would be the a DM in England and would need someone creative alongside him.

Gareth Southgate is looking to see if he has an English Grandad.

[LeeB]

End of the day you have to back the manager or sack him imo. I'm not a fan of choosing players by committee - manager wants A, gets C etc. Yeah C may be on paper be as good or better than the manager's choice, but you can't fake a manager who really wants a player to join or the ability of a player to run through walls for a manager who believes in him. So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

On a more general point,  our signings so far seem to have fallen into the obsession with value, that Lerner lately suffered from after MON left. Actually the complete misunderstanding of what "value" means.  Yes of course this club needs to buy young players with potential like McGinn and watkins or cash, with resale value, but you still need to buy the older players at 29/30/31 with no-resale value who will provide experience when we're struggling, ESPECIALLY where we are now, because blooding a championship player or foreign lower league at 23 or 24 may insure you get someone you can sell at 28 for 30m, but it won't make up for the 100m cost of relegation while they find their feet or not.. That's not a go at Watkins, that's just a view of the players we bought after coming up, and the way it seems to be  going this summer.

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Watford had squad full of proven premier league players that had finished mid table and got to the cup final, and yet they went down and we didn't.

Experience is valuable, but it needs to be good and provide value. Lescott and Richards were experienced, and were an absolute skid mark on the clubs history. Kortney Hause has proven better value than both put together and he's only a back up.

[sickbeggar]

So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

Are they? Genuine question, as I'm not on Twitter and don't read that rag.


Given the current market, I think the reported fee for Watkins is perfectly reasonable.

yeah mail have got some article claiming brentford fans are all celebrating. Shouldn't rise to the bait, but y'know.

[Jon Crofts]

Strange name linked just.

Morten Thorsby

Never heard of him. Plays in seria a

Sounds like a Village.

I went there once, nice little pub, The Tortured Rabbit.

[Dante Lavelli]

On a more general point,  our signings so far seem to have fallen into the obsession with value, that Lerner lately suffered from after MON left. Actually the complete misunderstanding of what "value" means.  Yes of course this club needs to buy young players with potential like McGinn and watkins or cash, with resale value, but you still need to buy the older players at 29/30/31 with no-resale value who will provide experience when we're struggling, ESPECIALLY where we are now, because blooding a championship player or foreign lower league at 23 or 24 may insure you get someone you can sell at 28 for 30m, but it won't make up for the 100m cost of relegation while they find their feet or not.. That's not a go at Watkins, that's just a view of the players we bought after coming up, and the way it seems to be  going this summer.

There’s truth in what you’re saying but it’s a hard to balance.  I look at the players that have moved that fall into that category (Hendricks / Wilson / I’m struggling...) and I’m not sure any fit in such crucial positions (Dacoure maybe).  If we are going to spend big money do it in the positions that will most influenced the team.

Weirdly I think Rose would tick a few boxes.  Improves on Taggert and adds PL know how.  On the flip side appears to be a bit of a handful and it would mean dealing with Daniel Levy.

There’s definitely scope in the DCM position for a player of this ilk but I am not familiar with the realistic options other than the lazy Milner/Delph propositions.

[OCD]

So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

Are they? Genuine question, as I'm not on Twitter and don't read that rag.


Given the current market, I think the reported fee for Watkins is perfectly reasonable.

yeah mail have got some article claiming brentford fans are all celebrating. Shouldn't rise to the bait, but y'know.

They may be. It’s a tough time for Championship teams, especially one that’s just built a new stadium. This deal ensures they have a future.

[sickbeggar]

End of the day you have to back the manager or sack him imo. I'm not a fan of choosing players by committee - manager wants A, gets C etc. Yeah C may be on paper be as good or better than the manager's choice, but you can't fake a manager who really wants a player to join or the ability of a player to run through walls for a manager who believes in him. So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

On a more general point,  our signings so far seem to have fallen into the obsession with value, that Lerner lately suffered from after MON left. Actually the complete misunderstanding of what "value" means.  Yes of course this club needs to buy young players with potential like McGinn and watkins or cash, with resale value, but you still need to buy the older players at 29/30/31 with no-resale value who will provide experience when we're struggling, ESPECIALLY where we are now, because blooding a championship player or foreign lower league at 23 or 24 may insure you get someone you can sell at 28 for 30m, but it won't make up for the 100m cost of relegation while they find their feet or not.. That's not a go at Watkins, that's just a view of the players we bought after coming up, and the way it seems to be  going this summer.

at

Watford had squad full of proven premier league players that had finished mid table and got to the cup final, and yet they went down and we didn't.

Experience is valuable, but it needs to be good and provide value. Lescott and Richards were experienced, and were an absolute skid mark on the clubs history. Kortney Hause has proven better value than both put together and he's only a back up.

yeah one or the other is daft. There's a balance. Over the years we've brought loads of brilliant players with a good few miles on the clock who no-one was upset about the wages or them leaving on a free at 33. 50m in wages and transfer fees on a few older players seems a good exchange for staying in the pl for 3 years to me. Doesn't stop up buying the likes of cash as well if we're loaded

[kippaxvilla2]

Strange name linked just.

Morten Thorsby

Never heard of him. Plays in seria a

Sounds like a Village.

In rural Oxfordshire

[sickbeggar]

On a more general point,  our signings so far seem to have fallen into the obsession with value, that Lerner lately suffered from after MON left. Actually the complete misunderstanding of what "value" means.  Yes of course this club needs to buy young players with potential like McGinn and watkins or cash, with resale value, but you still need to buy the older players at 29/30/31 with no-resale value who will provide experience when we're struggling, ESPECIALLY where we are now, because blooding a championship player or foreign lower league at 23 or 24 may insure you get someone you can sell at 28 for 30m, but it won't make up for the 100m cost of relegation while they find their feet or not.. That's not a go at Watkins, that's just a view of the players we bought after coming up, and the way it seems to be  going this summer.

There’s truth in what you’re saying but it’s a hard to balance.  I look at the players that have moved that fall into that category (Hendricks / Wilson / I’m struggling...) and I’m not sure any fit in such crucial positions (Dacoure maybe).  If we are going to spend big money do it in the positions that will most influenced the team.

Weirdly I think Rose would tick a few boxes.  Improves on Taggert and adds PL know how.  On the flip side appears to be a bit of a handful and it would mean dealing with Daniel Levy.

There’s definitely scope in the DCM position for a player of this ilk but I am not familiar with the realistic options other than the lazy Milner/Delph propositions.

well yeah it is a bit limited in this country. I'd be looking abroad

[Rory]

So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

Are they? Genuine question, as I'm not on Twitter and don't read that rag.


Given the current market, I think the reported fee for Watkins is perfectly reasonable.

yeah mail have got some article claiming brentford fans are all celebrating. Shouldn't rise to the bait, but y'know.

That's the thing. I know it's a cliche that football fans claim certain media outlets are against them, but with the Mail it is pretty blatant. If we signed Messi and Ronaldo on free transfers the Mail would be calling us an old folks' home. It's not possible to get an objective view of our business from that paper.

[Dante Lavelli]

On a more general point,  our signings so far seem to have fallen into the obsession with value, that Lerner lately suffered from after MON left. Actually the complete misunderstanding of what "value" means.  Yes of course this club needs to buy young players with potential like McGinn and watkins or cash, with resale value, but you still need to buy the older players at 29/30/31 with no-resale value who will provide experience when we're struggling, ESPECIALLY where we are now, because blooding a championship player or foreign lower league at 23 or 24 may insure you get someone you can sell at 28 for 30m, but it won't make up for the 100m cost of relegation while they find their feet or not.. That's not a go at Watkins, that's just a view of the players we bought after coming up, and the way it seems to be  going this summer.

There’s truth in what you’re saying but it’s a hard to balance.  I look at the players that have moved that fall into that category (Hendricks / Wilson / I’m struggling...) and I’m not sure any fit in such crucial positions (Dacoure maybe).  If we are going to spend big money do it in the positions that will most influenced the team.

Weirdly I think Rose would tick a few boxes.  Improves on Taggert and adds PL know how.  On the flip side appears to be a bit of a handful and it would mean dealing with Daniel Levy.

There’s definitely scope in the DCM position for a player of this ilk but I am not familiar with the realistic options other than the lazy Milner/Delph propositions.

Bad form but to respond to my own post but I think Westwood has been POTY at Burnley at least once since he left and, well you can imagine how popular that signing would be.

[sickbeggar]

So i hope Watkins is a success just to wind up the likes of twitter and the Meaning  Evil currently taking the piss.

Are they? Genuine question, as I'm not on Twitter and don't read that rag.


Given the current market, I think the reported fee for Watkins is perfectly reasonable.

yeah mail have got some article claiming brentford fans are all celebrating. Shouldn't rise to the bait, but y'know.

They may be. It’s a tough time for Championship teams, especially one that’s just built a new stadium. This deal ensures they have a future.

heh. it's the mail. it was "mainly who the hell would pay that for him? seen plenty of brentford fans bigging him up on twitter to be fair. Obviously the rest of premiership are taking the piss as you do, apart from spurs fan who think its a sign they can't compete with us