Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread

[paul_e]

I know loads of posters who think you not understanding my point is daft, I won't name any though.

I bet they're all £15M Championship posters.

Yep, we should only be looking for 10000 post plus posters, either from here or villatalk.

Signing posters from VillaTalk and hoping they all come good is asking for trouble.

Ha! All gif and no PDF!

Be quiet with your ~9500 championship level posting record!

I'm thinking of posting on a Borussia Dortmund forum instead. They'd appreciate my more cerebral posting style.

If you went to Dortmund, we’ll retire your username.

We could make a posting hall of fame and 'accidentally' post the names of the best posters from a Liverpool site, that wouldn't be remotely embarrassing.

[gpbarr]

No chance, we'll flop back to Watkins with a bigger bid needed and more competition now. He's had no match practice and should we get him won't be up to speed for a month. Purslow, assuming he's doing the deals is doing very poor. 3 windows on the trot with massive failings.

Massive failings? Blimey.

£140m spent and El Ghazi playing as lone striker. Blimey.

This bears repeating because so many people seem to forget - when we came up we had a usable first team squad of about 10 players. We could have spent 200 million last year and we would still have had gaps, that was never going to be cured in one window, especially when we are not allowed by FFP to spend massively beyond our means.

We are near the end of the 3rd window. Purslow doesn’t to me seem the guy who is going to make the moves we need to make. Time will tell but the warning bells are clanging. If you choose to ignore them, that’s your right to do so

The window is open until 5th October - we’re not even halfway through it.

We're 6 weeks in and have 4 weeks to go. We're past half way.

The season starts next week, ours the week after. We don't have all the time in the world and we most certainly aren't less than halfway through. We have players that would need getting up to speed when signed. They'll need to be integrated. We most certainly aren't as prepared as we should be approaching key games in October. We saw for ourselves how every point counts last season. Every goal. The closer we leave it to the season starting the less and less likely it is we will sign quality players and they'll need replacing by other clubs. It will be plan c and d signings.

It's all very poor. Suso carried the can for last season, anyone thinking it was a succesfull season with £150m spent and survival on the last day, well they must have some sympathy for someone who lost his job for the results of it.

Spot on. It’s all very well trotting out the “4 weeks to go” fact but our season starts in 2 weeks, as it is we have a very poor front line, and those we hope to compete with have done better business (and they also have 4 weeks to do more).

The words must reconcile with the actions. They don’t. The haggling over Watkins is a big warning sign to me - if he is Deans pick then cough up. Stop pissing about.

[TelfordVilla]

any chance of any players incoming ?

[Sexual Ealing]

any chance of any players incoming ?

You're asking the wrong people.

[paul_e]

any chance of any players incoming ?

Before the end of the window? 100%

Any other timescale, no one knows.

[Mister E]

I don’t want to get into the slagging of one of our younger players, but let’s take our claret specs off and be honest about what Davis and Samatta have produced. It’s a long way from what we need, and quite frankly how we stayed up last season despite our shocking goals return is just incredible.

Well summarised, Des.

[SoccerHQ]

Also, if we did get a top player like Tammy or Edouard, we’d have to get rid of 1-2 from Wes, ally, Keenan and Vassiliev. Who gets the chop?

Davis, season long loan to championship.

Wesley, won't be back until November at earliest and in reality will take many months to get up to speed. In an ideal world if he can play a bit I'd also loan him out in January just for him to get some confidence back in less demanding league.

Keep Samatta as third choice.

Vassilev....wasn't it said he wasn't actually a striker in the reserves but he scored a few goals so we just play him up there as a needs must in January.

Hardly a stellar group to upset by signing two new strikers, most of them need to be loaned out for their own good rather than bench warming here.

[Mister E]

I'd actually take Rodriguez over Wilson. If you can keep him injury free he has enough nous about him to score big goals.

He's the guy we should have got last season, to support Wesley

[SoccerHQ]

So what? He was and is a top class player. I'd be delighted if we signed another midfielder as good as McGinn.

The point is, our 3 best players, who'd cost you over £100m to buy, were Championship players. Watkins is a Championship player, so what? If they're good enough, they're good enough.

You can't build a team just from talented young  players from the championship. you need a blend, and we haven't got it currently

I see your cliché and raise you Chris Wilder and Sheffield United.

We have a squad that has experienced a season and did something miraculous. Do you think Konsa and Luiz to choose two, won't be better for that? And that we're not active in the market looking to improve what we have?

Those two were certainly looking good at end of season but I think it's a dangerous trap to fall into. I remember after 12/13 many assumed all our lower league signings would be much better for the year of mass thrashings and cup defeats to Bradford. In reality that was Weimann's best ever season and now he's just a bog standard wide striker for a mid table championship team and likes of Bennett, Baker and Clark all kept making the same mistakes they did in 12/13 in 14/15 before they all left.

Best two from that crop of signings were Lowton and Westwood who've established themselves as regular players for mid table premier league team.

Sometimes players just aren't good enough and we certainly have 4-5 of those as regular starters.

[mcgrath_85]

Just wondering, if our team is so bad, how come we stayed up?

We will be miles ahead of last season in Smith knowing his best team etc (admittedly it took him far too long)

We stayed up because we had a sensational end to the season which just redeemed what had until then been mostly dismal.  That end of season improvement reflects very well on Smith but as for knowing his best team I think that as things stand about a third of his best team hasn't even been signed yet. 

“Sensational”. Christ. We beat Crystal Palace and Arsenal and a couple of draws.

[Sexual Ealing]

Just wondering, if our team is so bad, how come we stayed up?

We will be miles ahead of last season in Smith knowing his best team etc (admittedly it took him far too long)

We stayed up because we had a sensational end to the season which just redeemed what had until then been mostly dismal.  That end of season improvement reflects very well on Smith but as for knowing his best team I think that as things stand about a third of his best team hasn't even been signed yet. 

“Sensational”. Christ. We beat Crystal Palace and Arsenal and a couple of draws.

I experienced a few sensations towards the end of the West Ham game.

[Pat Mustard]

No chance, we'll flop back to Watkins with a bigger bid needed and more competition now. He's had no match practice and should we get him won't be up to speed for a month. Purslow, assuming he's doing the deals is doing very poor. 3 windows on the trot with massive failings.

Massive failings? Blimey.

£140m spent and El Ghazi playing as lone striker. Blimey.

This bears repeating because so many people seem to forget - when we came up we had a usable first team squad of about 10 players. We could have spent 200 million last year and we would still have had gaps, that was never going to be cured in one window, especially when we are not allowed by FFP to spend massively beyond our means.

We are near the end of the 3rd window. Purslow doesn’t to me seem the guy who is going to make the moves we need to make. Time will tell but the warning bells are clanging. If you choose to ignore them, that’s your right to do so

The window is open until 5th October - we’re not even halfway through it.

We're 6 weeks in and have 4 weeks to go. We're past half way.

The season starts next week, ours the week after. We don't have all the time in the world and we most certainly aren't less than halfway through. We have players that would need getting up to speed when signed. They'll need to be integrated. We most certainly aren't as prepared as we should be approaching key games in October. We saw for ourselves how every point counts last season. Every goal. The closer we leave it to the season starting the less and less likely it is we will sign quality players and they'll need replacing by other clubs. It will be plan c and d signings.

It's all very poor. Suso carried the can for last season, anyone thinking it was a succesfull season with £150m spent and survival on the last day, well they must have some sympathy for someone who lost his job for the results of it.

Spot on. It’s all very well trotting out the “4 weeks to go” fact but our season starts in 2 weeks, as it is we have a very poor front line, and those we hope to compete with have done better business (and they also have 4 weeks to do more).

The words must reconcile with the actions. They don’t. The haggling over Watkins is a big warning sign to me - if he is Deans pick then cough up. Stop pissing about.

Who has done better business? Is that based on Wilson going to Newcastle for £20 million, a striker who has got 35 goals in 4 seasons? Leeds who have spent more on a striker from Spain with an even worse scoring record?  It’s not pissing about, it’s about doing sensible business that means we get the players we need and stay within FFP.

Of course, we could just throw 4 or 5 million over the odds to get someone in now. The last time we tried that approach, however, we ended up spend the thick end of £50 million on Ross McCormack, Jonathan Kodjia and Scott Hogan.

[SoccerHQ]

There's plenty of options once you get around the 30 mark. They're not gonna excite anyone, and we're not building a team round them, but having a bit experience in the squad has gotta be a step up from the likes of Lansbury

assuming the budget’s around 100m - we don’t know, but that’s the commonly accepted amount, we’ve spent 16m already and looking for a keeper around the 10m mark. If you add in Edourd or Tammy say for around 40-50m (plus wages) that leaves you one other player in the 30m range. Who would you get in from the loads of other options?

well the sort of players i'm talking about aren't gonna cost 30m. We talking guys on 2 year contract max. solid premiership or foreign pros. i'm thinking signings like Cahill just to steady the ship while players get experience. At the top end of the market i wouldn't have a problem with us paying 20m for a guy who was 28/29/30 like Wilson with a limited shelf life and no sell-on if it allowed the younger talent time to adapt and find their feet.

Who are these players, give some names because you've talked about them as if there are loads just waiting for the phone call. Who is the 28-30year old winger with pace, a good cross and a few goals in him that we can pick up for £20m or less? How about the midfielder we need?

there's loads out there. I had this last night when i pointed out you could get a top divison striker abroad for 40-50m and one in his 30's for probably under 20m. jesus, newcastle  have just  got wilson after all.

Then give some names of players so we can see who you mean and how realistic they actually are.

Kevin Gamiero would be one I'd seriously look at. Season long loan or something. Very prolific at PSG and Sevilla and played for France a few times. Valencia are letting go of anything that can run and kick a ball. Even Maxi Gomez is probably more realistic than he was last season.

[hilts_coolerking]

Who has done better business? Is that based on Wilson going to Newcastle for £20 million, a striker who has got 35 goals in 4 seasons?

We were in for him too you know. 

[sickbeggar]

Just wondering, if our team is so bad, how come we stayed up?

We will be miles ahead of last season in Smith knowing his best team etc (admittedly it took him far too long)

I find posters saying so and so is “shit” very offensive. They are people with their own sensitivities. Mutual respect - possible?

After predicting we'd stay up (and correctly calling all the results *smug mode off*) when others on here had thrown in the towel, I don't think its unreasonable to point out we were diabolical for large parts of last season, and viewing it as some sort of Dunkirk style victory with better days automatically ahead could be an exercise in self-delusion without the right re-inforcements. I don't suppose the likes of West Ham are organising a victory parade on the basis of last season so neither should we. I'm not sure anyone was calling davis shit, just a shit striker. That seems self-evident