Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread

[robbo1874]

re Samatta - he too looks underwhelming but he's Gerd Muller compared to KD.

I've actually seen Samatta score. I struggle to recall KD having shots let alone scoring.

This attitude of sticking our heads in the sand and pretending players like that are ever going to be good enough at this level is precisely the reason pretty soon we won't be playing at this level.

If he played for Blues, we'd be taking the piss out of them

i know he divides opinion- a lot don’t rate him but some of us do. He’s one of those that can bring others into the game. And if you’re looking for fast sharp players to partner him, we should be looking to the academy, as they will tend to be the younger lads. It’s just a different angle of looking a things and a different option. You probably wouldn’t go with that option most weeks, but some opposition may be suited to it, or maybe to change things up in later stages of a match. There’ll also be the inevitable injuries and suspensions when you can’t pick your first choice line up. I just think it’s madness to write players off that can offer something.

[chrisw1]

It proves that saying there are 'loads' of players with experience of playing in top leagues who are available for £20m and fit the needs for our squad is a bit silly if you can't actually name a single one.

There might be loads, there might only be a few, but I'm willing to believe there are some.  It would be a bit silly to believe there aren't any.  Anyway, it's up to the scouts to find them.

So you're saying we trust the scouts and sign the players they've identified that sickbeggar was complaining about? I'm glad you agree with me.

Christ Paul let it go.  SB thinks there would be players available you don't.  Neither of you will ever know if you're right because you're not in a position to make equiries of the clubs or agents.  Pesonally I suspect there would be a few, but equally I think somone like Watkins currently settled and excelling in the English game is just as likely to be a success at PL level.  I really hope we sign him.

[sickbeggar]

Ok, so the only name you can give is a guy who's being linked with Spurs (meaning we'd be competing with a team that are higher in the pecking order than us) who's 25 (so not in the age range you gave), has played less than 50 games in 'a top league in europe' and who's scored the majority of his goals in ligue 2.

Quite funny that you've completely ignored your own criteria as soon as you name someone.

Spurs can't afford him yet, and he'd only be back up for kane anyway, hence not costing a fortune. Its not the only name,  it was one example of a youngish striker in comparison to watkins.. If you want strikers in their late 20/ early30's who are at smallish clubs in spain/italy and  probablyavailable for the same price as wilson, there's a lot of them around as well. just have a look, i'm not gonna go through them all...

I'm not going threough a list of players to prove you right, you keep making the same point but can't give an example of who you actually want.

I think i just have. he's a striker who's scores goals in a non-rubbish league after doing it in a rubbish leagues.. On the other side we have watkins who's only done it in rubbish leagues. Now  you can say Watkins will be better, or cheaper but  you can't really claim i haven't come up with an alternative that on paper looks a better bet.

No you didn't, you argument was:

There's plenty of options once you get around the 30 mark. They're not gonna excite anyone, and we're not building a team round them, but having a bit experience in the squad has gotta be a step up from the likes of Lansbury

You then picked a guy with less than 50 top flight games to his name who's 25 and is, at best, 1 year ahead of where Watkins is. In terms of experience the guy you named is barely different to where many of our signings from last summer are now (Trez, Konsa, Luiz and Wesley for example) and I don't think that's the sort of player you were talking about. The description you gave makes me think more of players like Wilson, Drinkwater, King, Deeney, etc.

ah, ok. yeah i'm looking at players who can be over 30, couple of years left max. Just brought in for guidance and experience. Would probably be summed up as underwhelming by our fanbase , Again finding a 30+ year old premiership midfielder shouldnt be that hard or indeed abroad.

[Des Little]

I don’t want to get into the slagging of one of our younger players, but let’s take our claret specs off and be honest about what Davis and Samatta have produced. It’s a long way from what we need, and quite frankly how we stayed up last season despite our shocking goals return is just incredible.

[robbo1874]

Sorry I misinterpreted your earlier post - thought you were talking about 30m players not 30 y.o.

[sickbeggar]

Sorry I misinterpreted your earlier post - thought you were talking about 30m players not 30 y.o.

hah, don't worry about it.

[eamonn]

Can't wait till October when we can burn this thread to the ground.

[hilts_coolerking]

It proves that saying there are 'loads' of players with experience of playing in top leagues who are available for £20m and fit the needs for our squad is a bit silly if you can't actually name a single one.

There might be loads, there might only be a few, but I'm willing to believe there are some.  It would be a bit silly to believe there aren't any.  Anyway, it's up to the scouts to find them.

So you're saying we trust the scouts and sign the players they've identified that sickbeggar was complaining about? I'm glad you agree with me.

Christ Paul let it go.  SB thinks there would be players available you don't.  Neither of you will ever know if you're right because you're not in a position to make equiries of the clubs or agents.  Pesonally I suspect there would be a few, but equally I think somone like Watkins currently settled and excelling in the English game is just as likely to be a success at PL level.  I really hope we sign him.

Exactly.  I have no problem with Watkins if he were to come here.  But this 'ha, you can't name any players' argument is daft.

[paul_e]

It proves that saying there are 'loads' of players with experience of playing in top leagues who are available for £20m and fit the needs for our squad is a bit silly if you can't actually name a single one.

There might be loads, there might only be a few, but I'm willing to believe there are some.  It would be a bit silly to believe there aren't any.  Anyway, it's up to the scouts to find them.

So you're saying we trust the scouts and sign the players they've identified that sickbeggar was complaining about? I'm glad you agree with me.

Christ Paul let it go.  SB thinks there would be players available you don't.  Neither of you will ever know if you're right because you're not in a position to make equiries of the clubs or agents.  Pesonally I suspect there would be a few, but equally I think somone like Watkins currently settled and excelling in the English game is just as likely to be a success at PL level.  I really hope we sign him.

Like Hilts above you make the point of 'neither of you will ever know...' as if that isn't exactly what I'm getting at. Once again if you want to say "I'd like to see us sign xyz from abc" that's great, if you want to say "I like/don't like xyz who's been linked" again that's great, that's the point of the thread. Coming on to say the players we're being linked to are shit and we should be signing from the huge pool of players that I can't think of any examples of is just moaning for the sake of it.

This thread had 10 pages of posts between about 11pm and lunchtime today and it was almost completely people moaning about how shit things are and it's fucking boring. Maybe those people should be told to "let it go".

[paul_e]

It proves that saying there are 'loads' of players with experience of playing in top leagues who are available for £20m and fit the needs for our squad is a bit silly if you can't actually name a single one.

There might be loads, there might only be a few, but I'm willing to believe there are some.  It would be a bit silly to believe there aren't any.  Anyway, it's up to the scouts to find them.

So you're saying we trust the scouts and sign the players they've identified that sickbeggar was complaining about? I'm glad you agree with me.

Christ Paul let it go.  SB thinks there would be players available you don't.  Neither of you will ever know if you're right because you're not in a position to make equiries of the clubs or agents.  Pesonally I suspect there would be a few, but equally I think somone like Watkins currently settled and excelling in the English game is just as likely to be a success at PL level.  I really hope we sign him.

Exactly.  I have no problem with Watkins if he were to come here.  But this 'ha, you can't name any players' argument is daft.

I know loads of posters who think you not understanding my point is daft, I won't name any though.

[Jon Crofts]

We need a proven Premier League goal scorer and we just seem to be pissing about.

How are you defining a proven PL goal scorer and of those who would be available? How many goals would that player have to have scored to be deemed proven? And what’s the maximum age? Proven PL of genuine, and most importantly consistent quality will be ludicrously expensive.

Being relegated because you don’t score goals is ludicrously expensive.


 

[hilts_coolerking]

I know loads of posters who think you not understanding my point is daft, I won't name any though.

I bet they're all £15M Championship posters.

[Goldie.7]

Can't wait till October when we can burn this thread to the ground.

Yeah, but in the meantime. Is Davis any good, how badly do you want us to sign Watkins and how shit is Samatta?

[paul_e]

I know loads of posters who think you not understanding my point is daft, I won't name any though.

I bet they're all £15M Championship posters.

Yep, we should only be looking for 10000 post plus posters, either from here or villatalk.

[sickbeggar]

 heh, aye. 30 posts a day in villa-talk but disappeared when they made the step-up. All from belgium.