Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread

[Billy Walker]

Fair play to Leeds, signing someone from a top European league who has vast Champions League, Europa League and international experience.

It can be done. I'm forever seeing the opinion that we should act our size and then in the same breathe that there's nothing wrong with signing players from the Championship and the lesser European divisions.

I think whilst we accept and continue to hoover up Brentford and Brugge we will continue to punch well below our supposed weight.

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong player on WhoScored, but am I right in saying the Rodrigo who has signed for Leeds is 29 years old and has a one in four scoring record (based on last season, at least)?  If Suso had signed someone with that kind of record for us there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth, surely?  Throw in the fact he used to play for Bolton and there would have been a mini meltdown. 

You're right about Rodrigo having Champs league experience (scoring two goals in six appearances) but Samatta, according to WhoScored, notched three in six.

[SheffieldVillain]

Fair play to Leeds, signing someone from a top European league who has vast Champions League, Europa League and international experience.

It can be done. I'm forever seeing the opinion that we should act our size and then in the same breathe that there's nothing wrong with signing players from the Championship and the lesser European divisions.

There is nothing wrong with signing players from the Championship and the lesser European divisons, as long as they are well scouted and mixed with one or two top notch signings from the better leagues.

Also in the same breath you have people praising teams like Leicester for their recruitment and also saying you shouldn't buy players from the Championship or lesser divisions. Using Leicester as an example that would have meant not signing Vardy, Evans, Maddison, Maguire, Kante, Gray, Schmeichal or Mahrez plus others.

[SheffieldVillain]

Fair play to Leeds, signing someone from a top European league who has vast Champions League, Europa League and international experience.

It can be done. I'm forever seeing the opinion that we should act our size and then in the same breathe that there's nothing wrong with signing players from the Championship and the lesser European divisions.

I think whilst we accept and continue to hoover up Brentford and Brugge we will continue to punch well below our supposed weight.

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong player on WhoScored, but am I right in saying the Rodrigo who has signed for Leeds is 29 years old and has a one in four scoring record (based on last season, at least)?  If Suso had signed someone with that kind of record for us there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth, surely?  Throw in the fact he used to play for Bolton and there would have been a mini meltdown. 

You're right about Rodrigo having Champs league experience (scoring two goals in six appearances) but Samatta, according to WhoScored, notched three in six.

Yep. 71 goals in 275 appearances. Has only got above 10 goals twice in his career. His season at Bolton (although he was only a youngster) he got 1 goal in 21 appearances.

Presumably must be a winger/forward type rather than a main striker?  Which would still leave them with Patrick Bamford as their main striker.

[Stu]

And consider he cost them £30m.

[Dante Lavelli]

Fair play to Leeds, signing someone from a top European league who has vast Champions League, Europa League and international experience.

It can be done. I'm forever seeing the opinion that we should act our size and then in the same breathe that there's nothing wrong with signing players from the Championship and the lesser European divisions.

I think whilst we accept and continue to hoover up Brentford and Brugge we will continue to punch well below our supposed weight.

I’d be pretty underwhelmed if that was us.  He’s 29 years old and scored 7 goals last year and 59 goals in 220 games over all with Valencia according to the BBC.  Even if he succeeds - not guaranteed - he will not be worth what they paid in 12-months time.

That said, those figures are pretty decent if he’s an AM/winger, I just assumed he was a striker.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

And consider he cost them £30m.

£27m from a budget of £50m.

[Gareth]

Fair play to Leeds, signing someone from a top European league who has vast Champions League, Europa League and international experience.

It can be done. I'm forever seeing the opinion that we should act our size and then in the same breathe that there's nothing wrong with signing players from the Championship and the lesser European divisions.

I think whilst we accept and continue to hoover up Brentford and Brugge we will continue to punch well below our supposed weight.

I’d be pretty underwhelmed if that was us.  He’s 29 years old and scored 7 goals last year and 59 goals in 220 games over all with Valencia according to the BBC.  Even if he succeeds - not guaranteed - he will not be worth what they paid in 12-months time.

That said, those figures are pretty decent if he’s an AM/winger, I just assumed he was a striker.

He will be Hernandez successor...they will still have Bamford as striker at this point

[Stu]

And consider he cost them £30m.

£27m from a budget of £50m.

Oh right. Graun reporting it at 30.

[aj2k77]

Fair play to Leeds, signing someone from a top European league who has vast Champions League, Europa League and international experience.

It can be done. I'm forever seeing the opinion that we should act our size and then in the same breathe that there's nothing wrong with signing players from the Championship and the lesser European divisions.

I think whilst we accept and continue to hoover up Brentford and Brugge we will continue to punch well below our supposed weight.

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong player on WhoScored, but am I right in saying the Rodrigo who has signed for Leeds is 29 years old and has a one in four scoring record (based on last season, at least)?  If Suso had signed someone with that kind of record for us there would have been much wailing and gnashing of teeth, surely?  Throw in the fact he used to play for Bolton and there would have been a mini meltdown. 

You're right about Rodrigo having Champs league experience (scoring two goals in six appearances) but Samatta, according to WhoScored, notched three in six.

1 in 4 goals, loads of assists. Over 70 games in Europe and for his country, who aren't mickey mouse. He isn't a tradional centre forward. He's a good player from a good team in a top league. Supposedly that's out of our range but in the range of a club that hasn't been in the top flight for nearly 2 decades.

I fully agree with the other poster that there is nothing wrong with buying from the lesser leagues and Championship per say. It's when every single player you buy is from that range that you end up struggling the entire season.

As happy as I am to stay up and credit Smith for the job he's done taking us from nowhere to somewhere in a small space of time, I'm also not letting the last 4 games paper over what was a very poor season performance and result wise. We're the 17 best team in the division. That's not good enough.

[Monty]

I wonder if either Cash or Freddie could play as an inverted left back as well. It would be worth £12m to have quality covering both sides.

[Lastfootstamper]

Seems to have been played as a centre-forward in almost all of his 27 league appearances last season, 4 goals, 7 assists. https://www.whoscored.com/Players/83459/MatchStatistics/Rodrigo-Moreno

[Rudy Can't Fail]

It seems Matty Cash could be the first in, he seems decent and well thought of with Forest.
Hopefully the first of many to follow. Really need that edge up front but after hearing recent interviews with Smith we will not be going into the new season unprepared as we did last year. Just have to be a bit patient.

Looking at his YT highlights I can’t work out if he is a winger or a full back, or do Forest play with wing backs?

He started as a winger but from what I can gather he was reverted to wing back and he’s shined after a bit of a iffy start. Very aggressive going forward and very popular with their fans.

Wing back/full back, he's only been playing there for a season after Sabri Lamouchi the Forest manager thought the role better suited Cash. Obviously worked as he finished the season as their Player of the Year.

That said, I can only assume Elmo is off and Cash will have to fight it out with Guilbert.

[olaftab]

Seems to have been played as a centre-forward in almost all of his 27 league appearances last season, 4 goals, 7 assists. https://www.whoscored.com/Players/83459/MatchStatistics/Rodrigo-Moreno

Unless Bielsa turns him into something special I am totally underwhelmed by his stats and it's not as if age is on his side.

[olaftab]

I wonder if either Cash or Freddie could play as an inverted left back as well.

I am still having nightmares when Kevin tried that with Phil Neville.

[gpbarr]

To be fair though it’s that sort of signing that might attract others, can give a club a boost in revenue, and galvanizes other players.

It all may go tits up but frankly, at least they are active. Totally underwhelmed by what our team seem to be doing (or more pertinently not doing)!