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Offline Risso

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1575 on: August 06, 2020, 10:42:34 AM »
Buendia would be a decent option - far better than Jota. Probably better than Hourihane as well. Smalling would be a decent signing and for £20 for an English player thats pretty reasonable. Still need a really good striker though. Ben Yedder was mentioned last year, but is he any better than Tammy?

In my opinion yes he is. If all you look at is the number of goals scored then Tammy is great but as soon as you dig deeper he looks more and more like a modern day Darren Bent. There's nothing wrong with that but you have to setup the team knowing that he adds almost nothing outside the box.

I seem to remember him getting back and defending, especially when the other side had a corner or a free kick. I don't recall anyone on here having a pop at his work rate or work outside the box whilst he was here.

Of course no one did, he was scoring regularly. In much the same way no one criticised Bent when he was scoring 1 in 2. How many goals did he create for other people? How many did he score from outside the box or by creating his own chance by beating a defender? You also seemed to miss the bit where I said there was nothing wrong with having a player like that so long as you setup in a way that works for them.

I've said before, I'd take Tammy but not for half of our total transfer outlay, I'd rather throw the big money at a wide player who can score goals and create chances for himself and others. For example, Rashica who we've been linked with a few times looks exactly the sort of wide player we need to compliment Jack on the other side. He's supposedly going for £33m (which is about what I'd expect to spend on this sort of signing) which makes £50m on Tammy look like it would be our only other big signing.

Whether or not you'd take him at the fee being discussed is one thing, comparing him to Darren Bent is a nonsense though. Tammy worked his nuts off for us, and I imagine does the same for Chelsea.  In far fewer minutes played, he had 3 assists this season, which is more than Ings, Sterling and Kane and is the same number as Aubameyang.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1576 on: August 06, 2020, 10:45:20 AM »
They're both left-sided centre-halves, of which there aren't many in the PL, and that appears to be what Yanited are in the market for

Maguire plays on the left of defence for Man Utd the same as where he played for Leicester. He also plays on the left for England so I don't think Mings would be a priority for them.

And he's been highly unconvincing there, which is why Yanited are dipping back in the market again.

It's been well documented that they're looking for a left-footed centre-half.

Not least because of this video, which appears to show Ole telling Nathan Ake "We need a left-footed centre-back so just keep going."

Edit: Forgot the link! https://twitter.com/Sam_Tyler16/status/1279908076620038144/video/1
« Last Edit: August 06, 2020, 10:48:12 AM by AsTallAsLions »

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1577 on: August 06, 2020, 10:49:53 AM »
They're both left-sided centre-halves, of which there aren't many in the PL, and that appears to be what Yanited are in the market for
To the club that has just taken a bath on Alexi Sanchez (free transfer to Inter!!), we'll sell them Hause for £30m - a discount on MacGuire - if they want a left-footer.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2020, 10:54:20 AM by Mister E »

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1578 on: August 06, 2020, 10:52:04 AM »
And what a surprise, Baby face has not got his man despite the arrogant touch up, wanker

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1579 on: August 06, 2020, 10:55:48 AM »
The thing you get with Tammy is certainty.  Certainty he'd settle in and certainty that he would get you a decent amount of goals.  Signing him (alongside keeping Jack and a couple of extras) would all but guarantee us staying up next season.

I also don't think his all round game is anywhere near as limited as suggested and nothing like Bent.

But I don't think Chelsea will sell him and if they do I don't think we will spend that sort of money on one player and if we do I don't think he would pick us above other options likely to be available to him.  But other than that he's pretty nailed on. 

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1580 on: August 06, 2020, 10:56:31 AM »
In

Benrahma - £25m
Watkins - £20m
Eduard or Tammy - £40m
Aarons - £20m
Reina - Free

Out

Samatta - £8m
Engles - £8m
Elmo - £1m and lot of gratitude
Davis - Loan
Jota, Lansbury, Hogan - £6m the lot or offer to Brentford
Kalinic - £2m
Steer or Nyland - £2m

£82m net spend. Job done. Mid table.

GK - Heaton, Reina

RB - Guilbert, Aarons
CB - Mings, Konsa, Hause
LB - Targett, Taylor

DM - Luiz, Nakamba
CM - Hourihane, McGinn

AM - Grealish, Benrahma, Trez, El Ghazi

ST - Wesley, Watkins, Eduard/Tammy
« Last Edit: August 06, 2020, 11:02:30 AM by Dave P »

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1581 on: August 06, 2020, 10:56:45 AM »
They're both left-sided centre-halves, of which there aren't many in the PL, and that appears to be what Yanited are in the market for

Maguire plays on the left of defence for Man Utd the same as where he played for Leicester. He also plays on the left for England so I don't think Mings would be a priority for them.

And he's been highly unconvincing there, which is why Yanited are dipping back in the market again.

It's been well documented that they're looking for a left-footed centre-half.

Not least because of this video, which appears to show Ole telling Nathan Ake "We need a left-footed centre-back so just keep going."

Edit: Forgot the link! https://twitter.com/Sam_Tyler16/status/1279908076620038144/video/1

I just don't see them forking out another 40/50 million on what it would take to get Mings, giving a total of 120/130 million on left-sided defenders. And I certainly don't see anybody coming in for Maguire and paying a good chunk for what Yanited paid for him?

Let's see...

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1582 on: August 06, 2020, 11:04:20 AM »
They're both left-sided centre-halves, of which there aren't many in the PL, and that appears to be what Yanited are in the market for

Maguire plays on the left of defence for Man Utd the same as where he played for Leicester. He also plays on the left for England so I don't think Mings would be a priority for them.

And he's been highly unconvincing there, which is why Yanited are dipping back in the market again.

It's been well documented that they're looking for a left-footed centre-half.

Not least because of this video, which appears to show Ole telling Nathan Ake "We need a left-footed centre-back so just keep going."

Edit: Forgot the link! https://twitter.com/Sam_Tyler16/status/1279908076620038144/video/1

I just don't see them forking out another 40/50 million on what it would take to get Mings, giving a total of 120/130 million on left-sided defenders. And I certainly don't see anybody coming in for Maguire and paying a good chunk for what Yanited paid for him?

Let's see...

In a scenario where they buy Mings or another left-footed centre-half, they'd move Maguire to the right, since he's right-footed.

And I don't particularly want it to happen, but I could definitely see it.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1583 on: August 06, 2020, 11:07:46 AM »
In

Benrahma - £25m
Watkins - £20m
Eduard or Tammy - £40m
Aarons - £20m
Reina - Free

Out

Samatta - £8m
Engles - £8m
Elmo - £1m and lot of gratitude
Davis - Loan
Jota, Lansbury, Hogan - £6m the lot or offer to Brentford
Kalinic - £2m
Steer or Nyland - £2m

£82m net spend. Job done. Mid table.

GK - Heaton, Reina

RB - Guilbert, Aarons
CB - Mings, Konsa, Hause
LB - Targett, Taylor

DM - Luiz, Nakamba
CM - Hourihane, McGinn

AM - Grealish, Benrahma, Trez, El Ghazi

ST - Wesley, Watkins, Eduard/Tammy
I like Aarons but I think we're more in need of a left back than right.

Offline malckennedy

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1584 on: August 06, 2020, 11:08:02 AM »
In

Benrahma - £25m
Watkins - £20m
Eduard or Tammy - £40m
Aarons - £20m
Reina - Free

Out

Samatta - £8m
Engles - £8m
Elmo - £1m and lot of gratitude
Davis - Loan
Jota, Lansbury, Hogan - £6m the lot or offer to Brentford
Kalinic - £2m
Steer or Nyland - £2m

£82m net spend. Job done. Mid table.

GK - Heaton, Reina

RB - Guilbert, Aarons
CB - Mings, Konsa, Hause
LB - Targett, Taylor

DM - Luiz, Nakamba
CM - Hourihane, McGinn

AM - Grealish, Benrahma, Trez, El Ghazi

ST - Wesley, Watkins, Eduard/Tammy

I hope we donít start another season with Taylor in the squad!

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1585 on: August 06, 2020, 11:09:30 AM »
In
Benrahma - £25m
Watkins - £20m
Eduard or Tammy - £40m
Aarons - £20m
Reina - Free

Out
Samatta - £8m
Engles - £8m
Elmo - £1m and lot of gratitude
Davis - Loan
Jota, Lansbury, Hogan - £6m the lot or offer to Brentford
Kalinic - £2m
Steer or Nyland - £2m

£82m net spend. Job done. Mid table.

GK - Heaton, Reina
RB - Guilbert, Aarons
CB - Mings, Konsa, Hause
LB - Targett, Taylor
DM - Luiz, Nakamba
CM - Hourihane, McGinn
AM - Grealish, Benrahma, Trez, El Ghazi
ST - Wesley, Watkins, Eduard/Tammy
I don't think we'll be bringing  in Benrhama for £25m - I'd bring in Watkins as a winger / CF and look at Buendia and / or Eze for an alternative wide option (both can also cover the #10 role)
If Elmo goes, we'll be short at RB (Aarons is likely to be going to Liverpool).
You have no MF coming in?!?
I'd prefer to keep Steer and offload Reina
Selling Engels leaves us vulnerable at cover for CB and reduces the option to go 3 at the back; we'd need another CB if we offload him (unless Bridge or Revan can credibly make the transition to the first-team squad)
« Last Edit: August 06, 2020, 11:11:45 AM by Mister E »

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1586 on: August 06, 2020, 11:10:03 AM »
I don't think Mings' stock will have risen sufficiently this season for him to bag a move to one of the top 6.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1587 on: August 06, 2020, 11:11:30 AM »
The thing you get with Tammy is certainty.  Certainty he'd settle in and certainty that he would get you a decent amount of goals.  Signing him (alongside keeping Jack and a couple of extras) would all but guarantee us staying up next season.

I also don't think his all round game is anywhere near as limited as suggested and nothing like Bent.

But I don't think Chelsea will sell him and if they do I don't think we will spend that sort of money on one player and if we do I don't think he would pick us above other options likely to be available to him.  But other than that he's pretty nailed on. 
I agree with most of what you say other than the he wouldn't pick us bit.  I reckon if the rest of it fell in to place and we showed we were willing to spend big on him he would.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1588 on: August 06, 2020, 11:13:13 AM »
I'd take Tammy and Watkins. I don't think anybody can look at Wesley, Samatta and Davis, the 6 goals they contributed in the league and not see that there needs to be drastic improvement.

Tammy is ideal for all the reasons Chris said. He knows the place, gets it and has a huge amount of credit in the bank. Somebody like Watkins, that has pace and can play right across the line, would be ideal too. He can fill in centrally or out wide. I'd then like an out and out wide player for the other position in the front 3.

We lack pace. Beyond Wesley's goal at home to Everton  I cannot think of too many runs off the shoulder and in behind that lead to goals.

I feel we really failed to penetrate the spaces beyond the opposition and couldn't counter as effectively as we'd like.

2 strikers, one being a Watkins type with pace and who can adapt, a winger and a central midfielder to upgrade on Hourihane.

If there's money left over, a right footed centre half.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread
« Reply #1589 on: August 06, 2020, 11:18:52 AM »
Whether or not you'd take him at the fee being discussed is one thing, comparing him to Darren Bent is a nonsense though. Tammy worked his nuts off for us, and I imagine does the same for Chelsea.  In far fewer minutes played, he had 3 assists this season, which is more than Ings, Sterling and Kane and is the same number as Aubameyang.

No it really isn't, to get the best out of Bent you had to build your attack around getting the ball to him in the penalty area without expecting much involvement from him in the build up. To get the best out of Tammy you need to do the same, he is a better player than Bent but the impact on how you setup the team is the same, which is why it's a perfectly reasonable comparison.

3 assists -
1 is a counter-attack where he plays a 10 yard pass to asn unmarked Willian who beats a defender and curls into the bottom corner. I'd expect any professional footballer to be able to see and play that pass.
2 is a shot that is going slightly wide and gets tapped in from less than a yard out.
3 was a chest down (against us) that may or may not have been intended as a pass.

You can find videos showing all of this and you'll also notice that all but 1-2 of his goals are 1-2 touch finishes from around the 6 yard box.

This isn't me questioning his work rate or value to a team, it's me pointing out that almost everything good about his game happens in the opposition penalty area, that's not a bad thing but when you'd be spending half of your summer budget on him it needs to be sure that he's the right fit and, given how we've played in the last year, I'm not sure he is and importantly signing him wouldn't change our ability to play higher up the pitch which we'd need to do to create the chances he needs.

 


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