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Author Topic: Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread  (Read 864488 times)

Offline hilts_coolerking

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #255 on: July 06, 2020, 08:58:21 PM »
Exactly. Rip it up and start again. Every summer.
Sometimes it's inevitable though, particularly if you go up then come back down swiftly, as might happen this season.  Promotion push, relegation, another promotion push means there's inevitably going to be a big churn each season.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #256 on: July 06, 2020, 09:04:18 PM »

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #257 on: July 06, 2020, 09:10:11 PM »

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Amavi stayed because he wanted to. Maybe you're thinking of Adama who couldn't wait to leave,

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #258 on: July 06, 2020, 09:14:10 PM »

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Because we'd been relegated.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #259 on: July 06, 2020, 09:14:26 PM »
The issue with a lot of that Paul is any big club that drops down to the Championship has to have an immediate return as their priority. Due to the overheads and debts as much as the prestige factor or anything else.

So they aren't really in a position to sit it out for a season or three and develop an ethos - fully removed from the pressures of needing to go up.

The smaller clubs who have gone up and survived for a few seasons have had the benefit of utilising a consistent panel at the lower level. Gaining top flight football in the first place was the cherry on the icing on the cake rather than the be all and end all for them. Different strokes for different folks.

Our transfer deals under Bruce (particularly from the summer of 17 onwards) definitely felt more short term than building for the future. I wouldn't want a repeat of that. But - short of the owners deciding to bail - any manager/ head coach in place at the start of next season knows promotion will be priority 1,2 and 3.

but trying to buy our way out didn't work and nearly destroyed the club in the process. That's not to say go completely the other way either. All I'm getting at is I'd rather see players like Barry, Ramsey, Archer, etc on the bench and gaining experience than us buy a bunch of late 20s/early 30s shit like we did last time we were in that league.

3-4 signings of quality at the right age (25-26) to replace the older players who haven't delivered and then keep the younger players and build around that from the youth. That way we go up with a team that are young enough to improve but have a season of hard graft and experience behind them and a small group of 19-20 year olds who have experienced playing in our first team and know what they need to do to stay around it.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #260 on: July 06, 2020, 09:17:12 PM »
A darn sight better than we have become used to.  I would add Andi Weimann to that roll call.

Weimann has become a bit of a Championship journeyman.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #261 on: July 06, 2020, 09:20:08 PM »
The amount of time to rebuild the squad is going to be very short before the next season starts.
Those teams in division 2 with a settled squad will be in a strong position. We will be needing to rebuild in very short order .

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #262 on: July 06, 2020, 09:22:11 PM »
Veretout could not wait to get away because the manager had not spoken to him for four months.   The snake pit and a media arse licking manager ruined the relationship between the club and a group of very talented players who came to Villa of their own free will.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #263 on: July 06, 2020, 09:22:41 PM »
That could well be another reason to stick with Smith even if we do drop.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #264 on: July 06, 2020, 09:23:57 PM »

The thing is, though, how good would they all be if they'd been together for five years with the occasional new signing? Lowton is a perfectly good Premier League player, Gollini is an international and Amavi will be in the next Champions League. That's what long-term planning can do.

Your long-term planning assumes that all those players wanted to stay, or that we could afford for them to all stay.  I think it was plain as day that Amavi and especially Veretout couldn't wait to get away.

Because we'd been relegated.

Well, exactly.  Planning for the long-term is only really possible if the young and hungry brigade are good enough to keep you up.  They weren't in 2016, and they're not this year either

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #265 on: July 06, 2020, 09:24:20 PM »
There are no circumstances in which we should stick with a proven failure.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #266 on: July 06, 2020, 09:24:22 PM »
That could well be another reason to stick with Smith even if we do drop.

'Another' reason?! 

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #267 on: July 06, 2020, 09:26:19 PM »
It is known as The Secret Santa Affair.  The pissing off of good talented players by a cadre of pig shit stupid xenophobes.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #268 on: July 06, 2020, 09:29:29 PM »
That was fully exposed in the Chewing Gum Spitting Outrage.

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Re: Summer transfer, gossip and speculation thread
« Reply #269 on: July 06, 2020, 09:33:42 PM »
At Wycombe

 


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