Summer transfer, gossip, speculation and the usual butter ollocks thread

[robleflaneur]

Can't say im convinced by watkins. One good season in the championship? Norwich won the championship and that pikachew guy got nearly 30 goals. Its a rubbish league, god Bruce nearly got us out with the likes of scot hogan and grabban banging in the goals

Watkins has been scoring 1 in 3 since a teenager for Exeter and Brentford as mainly a winger in 200 appearances.That's consistency over 4 seasons whilst only a youngster.Only last season was he converted to a central striker,so there has been a physical development.
To me he looks the real deal,pace,physique,awareness ,works hard and takes chances.Bruce nearly got us up because of the defensive qualities offered by Terry and Chester.The next season we had Tammy ,McGinn and Jack and we were failing .

[Rudy Can't Fail]

He may well succeed. End of the day, Smith will be out of a job if he doesn't. Personally, if we have the money i'd want a player proven at a better level.

Such as?

A srtiker from the top level in france, italy, spain, germany who can score goals at that level for a smaller club perhaps. failing that a reserve striker from a top club, failing that a striker from a league who's done it in the CL or internationally. 40-50m would do it, probably a lot less.

A striker that wants to join a club that survived relegation by the skin of their teeth and one of the favourites to be relegated and until now have signed a back up right back?

I like the French lad at Celtic, ticks lots of boxes but seems to take an extra touch that he wouldn't get in the PL. He has for me far more potential than Watkins who reminds me of a junior version of Tammy. Never will be the perfect number 9 but knows where the back of the net is. He'll do for a season or two.

[sickbeggar]

Look, good players do come from the championship. my point is he's scored 26 goals this season in the championship. Is he going to come into premiership and score the same, half that? Will he take a season to adjust, because if he does we're down , Now he could be the revelation of 20/21 and all plaudits on Smith for  buying him, but there is massive difference between the dross in the championship and the premiership.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Whoever comes in is never going to solve all our attacking problems. It's equally important we surround him with quality players that can provide the service otherwise we're back to hoofing the ball back up to our striker and watching it come back every time.

[RamboandBruno]

Clearly none of know what is happening let alone have any clue as to what the motivation is of those involved in recruitment. So it comes down to opinions and some will be glass half full etc.

No issue, but I'm always puzzled by people who 'insist' we get on and sign x or y and when it doesn't happen early enough it is then determined it must be because the club is penny-pinching or people
are incompetent or both.

My take is that we will know all we want to about Watkins, Benrahma and Henry at Brentford and Wilson at Bournemouth. We also have the resources to do the deal when we want. If I'm right does anyone realistically think the recruitment team are sat on their hands or clueless?

So I suspect they are not the first choice or we hope to do a number of deals and presently the deal for any of these doesn't fit, i.e. pay over the odds for Watkins and it's not possible to get in another target or if we still have a chance for Tammy and if we do that deal we will need to adjust the other recruits we get in.

I imagine it is a constantly changing situation with lots moving parts.

Patience might be rewarded or we might miss out. For me it is a delicate judgement call and only those involved will have any real understanding of the position - though to consider the present lack of deals to be down to incompetence or penny-pinching is bizarre. UTV.

I think you could be right that there's a big transfer UTR and other deals are dependant on it. Certainly we've been very quiet in links other than forwards. What worries me is the Grealish situation. Man U are notorious for only doing 1 deal at a time, and from what I've heard they still really want him but are pursuing the Sancho transfer first. My doomsday scenario is we get into late September, and then they make their move, and we're left with accepting it, or keeping a potentially very unhappy player.

Out of interest from where have you heard Man U still really want grealish?

[sickbeggar]

He may well succeed. End of the day, Smith will be out of a job if he doesn't. Personally, if we have the money i'd want a player proven at a better level.

Such as?

A srtiker from the top level in france, italy, spain, germany who can score goals at that level for a smaller club perhaps. failing that a reserve striker from a top club, failing that a striker from a league who's done it in the CL or internationally. 40-50m would do it, probably a lot less.

A striker that wants to join a club that survived relegation by the skin of their teeth and one of the favourites to be relegated and until now have signed a back up right back?

I like the French lad at Celtic, ticks lots of boxes but seems to take an extra touch that he wouldn't get in the PL. He has for me far more potential than Watkins who reminds me of a junior version of Tammy. Never will be the perfect number 9 but knows where the back of the net is. He'll do for a season or two.

well leeds have just signed a brazilian who's scored over 15 goals a season in spain. if you have the money then they will come

[PaulWinch again]

He may well succeed. End of the day, Smith will be out of a job if he doesn't. Personally, if we have the money i'd want a player proven at a better level.

Such as?

A srtiker from the top level in france, italy, spain, germany who can score goals at that level for a smaller club perhaps. failing that a reserve striker from a top club, failing that a striker from a league who's done it in the CL or internationally. 40-50m would do it, probably a lot less.

A striker that wants to join a club that survived relegation by the skin of their teeth and one of the favourites to be relegated and until now have signed a back up right back?

I like the French lad at Celtic, ticks lots of boxes but seems to take an extra touch that he wouldn't get in the PL. He has for me far more potential than Watkins who reminds me of a junior version of Tammy. Never will be the perfect number 9 but knows where the back of the net is. He'll do for a season or two.

I think Tammy and Watkins are quite different. I could see Watkins playing as a wide forward, which is why I reckon if we can get him it’ll be Watkins and another forward.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

You maybe right, Paul, I certainly agree we need at least 2 strikers including a proven winger. Where Watkins reminds me of Tammy is you put anything in the 6 yard box and he's on it. I'd guess that 95% of Tammy's goals are from in or around the 6 yard box.

[sickbeggar]

Clearly none of know what is happening let alone have any clue as to what the motivation is of those involved in recruitment. So it comes down to opinions and some will be glass half full etc.

No issue, but I'm always puzzled by people who 'insist' we get on and sign x or y and when it doesn't happen early enough it is then determined it must be because the club is penny-pinching or people
are incompetent or both.

My take is that we will know all we want to about Watkins, Benrahma and Henry at Brentford and Wilson at Bournemouth. We also have the resources to do the deal when we want. If I'm right does anyone realistically think the recruitment team are sat on their hands or clueless?

So I suspect they are not the first choice or we hope to do a number of deals and presently the deal for any of these doesn't fit, i.e. pay over the odds for Watkins and it's not possible to get in another target or if we still have a chance for Tammy and if we do that deal we will need to adjust the other recruits we get in.

I imagine it is a constantly changing situation with lots moving parts.

Patience might be rewarded or we might miss out. For me it is a delicate judgement call and only those involved will have any real understanding of the position - though to consider the present lack of deals to be down to incompetence or penny-pinching is bizarre. UTV.

I think you could be right that there's a big transfer UTR and other deals are dependant on it. Certainly we've been very quiet in links other than forwards. What worries me is the Grealish situation. Man U are notorious for only doing 1 deal at a time, and from what I've heard they still really want him but are pursuing the Sancho transfer first. My doomsday scenario is we get into late September, and then they make their move, and we're left with accepting it, or keeping a potentially very unhappy player.

Out of interest from where have you heard Man U still really want grealish?

mainly man u connected journos. what i've heard is its a defender next, then sancho, and then grealish. theyve been putting out they don't want sancho atm and its all bollocks according to those in the know. All their deals seem to be fueled by snide so i don't think they've given up on Grealish.

[PaulWinch again]

You maybe right, Paul, I certainly agree we need at least 2 strikers including a proven winger. Where Watkins reminds me of Tammy is you put anything in the 6 yard box and he's on it. I'd guess that 95% of Tammy's goals are from in or around the 6 yard box.

Yep fully agree. Watkins and another would be great.

[sickbeggar]

well lets be honest if the money is there then abraham would be the ideal, unfortunately if you have werner, abraham, giroud and batshuayi then you'll not gonna let Tammy go out of them 4. Plus his wages would kill the pay structure

[Goldie.7]

Now this puts our wondering about paying £25m for Watkins into perspective.

Wolves have broken their transfer record to sign 18-year-old Fabio Silva from Porto for £35.6m.

That Silva guy looks damn good. Very pacy and takes shots early, he reminds me of Fernando Torres in the early 2000's.

[SheffieldVillain]

He may well succeed. End of the day, Smith will be out of a job if he doesn't. Personally, if we have the money i'd want a player proven at a better level.

Such as?

A srtiker from the top level in france, italy, spain, germany who can score goals at that level for a smaller club perhaps. failing that a reserve striker from a top club, failing that a striker from a league who's done it in the CL or internationally. 40-50m would do it, probably a lot less.

A striker that wants to join a club that survived relegation by the skin of their teeth and one of the favourites to be relegated and until now have signed a back up right back?

I like the French lad at Celtic, ticks lots of boxes but seems to take an extra touch that he wouldn't get in the PL. He has for me far more potential than Watkins who reminds me of a junior version of Tammy. Never will be the perfect number 9 but knows where the back of the net is. He'll do for a season or two.

well leeds have just signed a brazilian who's scored over 15 goals a season in spain. if you have the money then they will come

Not the best example. At the age of 29, Rodrigo has managed 15 league goals once in his whole career. He got 4 last season. If we'd signed him, I doubt we'd be jumping for joy.

I agree with Rudy - Eduoard ticks lots of boxes for me too. Plus Watkins as a wide forward and that would immediately make us at least a mid-table team. Add in Wilson as a second striking option and that would be a really good window. I think it'll be Watkins plus one though.

[robleflaneur]

Now this puts our wondering about paying £25m for Watkins into perspective.

Wolves have broken their transfer record to sign 18-year-old Fabio Silva from Porto for £35.6m.

That Silva guy looks damn good. Very pacy and takes shots early, he reminds me of Fernando Torres in the early 2000's.

He might become a good player but can you imagine the outcry on here if we spent 35m on a striker who has scored one goal in the Portugese league.
Alun Evans and Luke Moore had both scored hattricks in the top division as teenagers.This could backfire bigtime on the Dogheads.Can they afford a 35m reserve or such an inexperienced striker to lead their attack ?

[Risso]

We need a striker capable of getting into double figures.  Wesley may well have done that, and might be again but we don't know when he's going to be back, and then how long it will take to be up to speed after the injury.  Neither Samatta or Davis are capable of it.  Then you need your other attacking players to chip in as well.  Jack did his part, and Trez wasn't far off, but El Ghazi was massively wanting.  An out and out striker and an attacking player who can play wider or up front are the bare minimum we need then.