Aston Villa v Sheff United Post Match Thread

[eamonn]

O'Neill is currently mounting a legal challenge against an amateur club in Donegal building new pitches/clubhouse very close to where he owns an old cottage.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm still furious that O'Neill hasn't got a law degree.

[PaulWinch again]

There’s a clear difference with the Leeds incident for me. I don’t even agree with Dean’s view that it’s about us kicking the ball out when they had a player down, but them not reciprocating. If it had been purely that it would have been bloody annoying and in poor character, but ultimately it’s tough. The reason Leeds behaved so poorly was that their player feigned kicking the ball out to manipulate an advantage. It was a very specific deceitful act that needed correcting.

You don’t want a precedent where everybody should do the official’s job, because where does it end.

[paul_e]

There’s a clear difference with the Leeds incident for me. I don’t even agree with Dean’s view that it’s about us kicking the ball out when they had a player down, but them not reciprocating. If it had been purely that it would have been bloody annoying and in poor character, but ultimately it’s tough. The reason Leeds behaved so poorly was that their player feigned kicking the ball out to manipulate an advantage. It was a very specific deceitful act that needed correcting.

You don’t want a precedent where everybody should do the official’s job, because where does it end.

Agree completely, we, and a couple of their players, waved for him to put the ball out, he stopped as if he was going to but then because their forward carried on his run he played him in instead. That's not remotely the same as benefiting from a mistake by the officials which happens all the time in varying degrees. As has been said before this is not even as bad what Friend did against palace but I can't recall rent-a-gob twats on the radio talking about legal action or saying Palace should've let us walk one in over that.

[dave.woodhall]

There’s a clear difference with the Leeds incident for me. I don’t even agree with Dean’s view that it’s about us kicking the ball out when they had a player down, but them not reciprocating. If it had been purely that it would have been bloody annoying and in poor character, but ultimately it’s tough. The reason Leeds behaved so poorly was that their player feigned kicking the ball out to manipulate an advantage. It was a very specific deceitful act that needed correcting.

You don’t want a precedent where everybody should do the official’s job, because where does it end.

Agree completely, we, and a couple of their players, waved for him to put the ball out, he stopped as if he was going to but then because their forward carried on his run he played him in instead. That's not remotely the same as benefiting from a mistake by the officials which happens all the time in varying degrees. As has been said before this is not even as bad what Friend did against palace but I can't recall rent-a-gob twats on the radio talking about legal action or saying Palace should've let us walk one in over that.

Because it wasn't on TV. There's now a large element of passive television football watchers who work themselves into a fenzy every time something happens that doesn't fit their narative of 'fairness'. In their eyes there's no such thing as human error; football is being dumbed down to the same standards as a computer game.

[CT]

Fair enough if they get it replayed.

I’ll be looking forward to getting another crack at Palace and Arsenal away, and also another go at winning the League Cup.

[kippaxvilla2]

It didn't sit comfortably with me though.  It was a catastrophic mistake in what supposedly is the most professional of sports.I do suspect that had we been sitting comfortably in mid table we might have allowed them a walk in goal.  Would Wilder have let us walk one in if the boot was on the other foot?  But with the stakes so high for us it was never a possibility.  All these pundits though.  State of football today.  Wait until Soccer Saturday starts.

[CT]

It didn't sit comfortably with me though.  It was a catastrophic mistake in what supposedly is the most professional of sports.I do suspect that had we been sitting comfortably in mid table we might have allowed them a walk in goal.  Would Wilder have let us walk one in if the boot was on the other foot?  But with the stakes so high for us it was never a possibility.  All these pundits though.  State of football today.  Wait until Soccer Saturday starts.

Why would we let them walk in a goal? The players and staff didn’t know for sure until half time and like most people, couldn’t believe that the GDS system had failed for the first time in over 9000 games!!

Obviously, I’d have been fuming had that been the other way around. Fuming with the tech, the ref, VAR. I certainly wouldn’t have expected Chris Wilder to let us walk in a goal.

[chrisw1]

I wasn't hugely comfortable with it either, but then I get irritated by players claiming a throw in or corner when they know it hit them last.

With that said, why would you let them walk a goal in when clearly all the decision making sytems are imperfect?  For me we should have had at least 1 pen and maybe 2.  As far as I'm concerned we were let down by the referee and VAR as we have been a number of times this season.  Yes, the goal decision was far more cut and dried than an objective decision, but nobody can argue we haven't had our fair share of bullshit decisions this season.  So until every decision is perfect - fuck 'em.

[PeterWithesShin]

I wouldn't have expected them to give us a walk in goal if it was the other way round.

I would have expected us to give Leeds a walk in goal if one of ours had pulled that shithouse stunt of faking to put it out of play.

[ChicagoLion]

Huge difference, the perpetrators were Leeds and they were therefore responsible.
The Other night was the fault and responsibility of the Officials.
Neither situation was caused by or the responsibility of Aston Villa.

[kippaxvilla2]

Yet we had to ask Leeds to do it.  Bielsa would never have given it otherwise.  Mind you, there was the language barrier that had to be got over first.

[usav]

Huge difference, the perpetrators were Leeds and they were therefore responsible.
The Other night was the fault and responsibility of the Officials.
Neither situation was caused by or the responsibility of Aston Villa.

Except every Villa player knew it was a goal.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Huge difference, the perpetrators were Leeds and they were therefore responsible.
The Other night was the fault and responsibility of the Officials.
Neither situation was caused by or the responsibility of Aston Villa.

Except every Villa player knew it was a goal.

Prove it.

[dave.woodhall]

This is getting absolutely fucking ridiculous now. There have been 'wrong' decisions made ever since the game was founded. There have been mistakes made by every bit of new technology. There's never been any of this bollocks about letting the other team score or replays before now, yet to hear some of our own supporters we're in the wrong.