How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?

[amfy]

It's a daft rule. For example, do you select a player who's just recovered from COVID? Clubs have had to, but just because you're now negative and "fit" to play, doesn't mean you've recovered or 100%. What happens if you've recovered from delta and then pick up omicron in the dressing room because you've had to wait for your booster?

I’d guess that is the same as recovery from any other injury. They aren’t saying you can only count your covid isolations, they are asking if you can put a team out.

yeah but who decides that?

"yes we have player A who's now negative from COVID. He's been ill for 3 weeks and hasn't trained but could possibly go on the bench but wouldn't last 30 minutes"


The reality is he wouldn't be risked normally.

& I think it’d be fairly easy to get a doctors note now. You cannot force players to play who haven’t recovered - that is where the risk of myocarditis lies. Following covid, even mild covid, many athletes are reporting higher heart rates on exertion following it. These players have to be allowed to recover and medically, that can be demonstrated if needed.

[Ad@m]

If it came losing money or risking my family then then that is an easy decision.
The only way this gets resolved, is if the club offers refunds for games that ticket holders decide not to attend because of Covid.
Surely you should write to Pouslow.

And how do you think that pans out?

Don't be so naive.  I'm all for personal responsibility where the risk is only to you.  But this is a public health matter so personal responsibility to everyone else is more important, and as one of about 3 people I saw wearing a mask at the last home game it's clear there's almost zero personal responsibility where anyone else is concerned.

Covid's going nowhere.  So following your logic, I'm meant to give up my season ticket because knobheads can't wear a mask or get themselves vaccinated.  Is that the selfish society we should aspire to live in?

as I said above, the problem is enforcement of the rules, there isn’t any although I am more concerned with getting to VP than being in the stands.
Unfortunately that is the society we live in.

So "that is the society we live in" so tough shit for anyone who's either at risk or wants to protect someone who's at risk?

You might not want the government deciding how you live your life, but if "the society we live in" could show themselves to behave like grown ups and look after each other there'd be less need for the government to interfere.

[ChicagoLion]

If it came losing money or risking my family then then that is an easy decision.
The only way this gets resolved, is if the club offers refunds for games that ticket holders decide not to attend because of Covid.
Surely you should write to Pouslow.

And how do you think that pans out?

Don't be so naive.  I'm all for personal responsibility where the risk is only to you.  But this is a public health matter so personal responsibility to everyone else is more important, and as one of about 3 people I saw wearing a mask at the last home game it's clear there's almost zero personal responsibility where anyone else is concerned.

Covid's going nowhere.  So following your logic, I'm meant to give up my season ticket because knobheads can't wear a mask or get themselves vaccinated.  Is that the selfish society we should aspire to live in?

as I said above, the problem is enforcement of the rules, there isn’t any although I am more concerned with getting to VP than being in the stands.
Unfortunately that is the society we live in.

So "that is the society we live in" so tough shit for anyone who's either at risk or wants to protect someone who's at risk?

You might not want the government deciding how you live your life, but if "the society we live in" could show themselves to behave like grown ups and look after each other there'd be less need for the government to interfere.

I am just reflecting the reality that unfortunately we have too many selfish twats and absolutely no effective measures to deal with them

Your second sentence I agree with implicitly.

[sickbeggar]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

[chrisw1]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

I never understood that mentality either.  Some Tory twat drove and had a picnic so I'm gonna kill my Granny 

[sickbeggar]

Yep. Most people on here are self-educated enough to work out the medical advice without listening to anything Johnson says. If he wants to spend Christmas in intensive care by ignoring it, let him.

[Villan82]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

Johnson and the Tories have been a complete disaster on so many levels.

[sid1964]

I agree about Johnson, some of his decisions have been awful, if the Labour party had won the last election, coronavirus would no longer be in the UK and we would have all survived

If only everyone had voted Labour!

[algy]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

I think that's the thing.  With it being quite clear that the Tories haven't been following their own rules, it makes it very difficult for them to impose them on anyone else.  They've lost an awful lot of their authority.

I agree about Johnson, some of his decisions have been awful, if the Labour party had won the last election, coronavirus would no longer be in the UK and we would have all survived

If only everyone had voted Labour!

It wouldn't, and you know that, but I'd suggest that if you look at Scotland & Wales there's still significantly higher compliance rates with things like wearing masks, social distancing, etc etc.  The overwhelming majority of people in those countries would/will support & follow stronger guidance if and when it comes in to play.

English guidelines have felt messy & inconsistent (to someone who lives just over the border), and it's come as absolutely no surprise that COVID has returned and is utterly rife because, quite honestly, it's shocking.  Went to Birmingham in the summer, and also for the Brighton home game.  Was absolutely shocking how little regard for social distancing and mask wearing there was.  Really made me, my dad, and my little girl all feel rather uncomfortable.  We cancelled a trip we were going to make to the Christmas markets because, quite frankly, it felt far too risky in the circumstances.  Contrasted with going to Cardiff last weekend, where most folk were wearing masks and you could socially distance pretty easily for the most part - I think there was maybe one shop where we had a few problems in that regard, but that was fairly unavoidable given it's layout and tbh I think they'd done the best they could in the circumstances.

[amfy]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

I never understood that mentality either.  Some Tory twat drove and had a picnic so I'm gonna kill my Granny

Yeah part of it is just cutting off your nose to spite your face
….but it’s also partially ‘why aren’t they worried about the things their telling us to worry about?’
…They told us if we mixed outside our bubbles and didn’t socially distance we were risking killing our granny (or being really ill ourselves) …so why aren’t they worried about those things?

It makes people think it’s all bullshit & I get that.

The same week as their little soirée in the garden at number 10 I stood outside my grandson’s funeral service. I hugged my stepson against advice because I just couldn’t bring myself not to, but I felt bad about it, & I know others in similar situations followed the rules to the letter whilst their hearts were broken. There were people who didn’t hug their mum when their dad died & they expect us to just  accept that ‘wine & nibbles’ & kicking back for a while after a meeting is OK because it’s been so tough for them.

I’m still taking precautions I should, but there’s a big part of me thinking that if they say I can’t see my mum at Christmas I won’t take any notice. I’ll test, she’ll test, & we’ll carry on regardless because they would.

Sorry, I know it’s wrong but it’s how I feel. I know the pandemic is real but so am totally sick of their shit.

[sickbeggar]

I don't judge anyone breaking lockdown rules for emotional/personal reasons amfy.. I'd say 99% of the  responsible population has done it at some point in the last 2 years so you're hardly in the minority i'm guessing. But that's different to me going i'm gonna mix with everyone because Johnson did.

[paul_e]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

I never understood that mentality either.  Some Tory twat drove and had a picnic so I'm gonna kill my Granny 

That's not right though is it, I don't agree with it, but the argument is all about the government making it look like they've overstated the risks on purpose as a means of control. If you've convinced yourself of that then ignoring lockdowns is a protest rather than a risk. The logic is a fucking mess but I understand how people get there. This is a big part of the problem of lumping scientists and doctors alongside politicians as the 'elite' in a manufactured culture war, it means people lose trust in every voice they hear and fill the gaps with 'common sense'. This is the real danger of twats like Farage and Trump, they break things that are actually important with their bullshit.

[Risso]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

I think that's the thing.  With it being quite clear that the Tories haven't been following their own rules, it makes it very difficult for them to impose them on anyone else.  They've lost an awful lot of their authority.

I agree about Johnson, some of his decisions have been awful, if the Labour party had won the last election, coronavirus would no longer be in the UK and we would have all survived

If only everyone had voted Labour!

It wouldn't, and you know that, but I'd suggest that if you look at Scotland & Wales there's still significantly higher compliance rates with things like wearing masks, social distancing, etc etc.  The overwhelming majority of people in those countries would/will support & follow stronger guidance if and when it comes in to play.

English guidelines have felt messy & inconsistent (to someone who lives just over the border), and it's come as absolutely no surprise that COVID has returned and is utterly rife because, quite honestly, it's shocking.  Went to Birmingham in the summer, and also for the Brighton home game.  Was absolutely shocking how little regard for social distancing and mask wearing there was.  Really made me, my dad, and my little girl all feel rather uncomfortable.  We cancelled a trip we were going to make to the Christmas markets because, quite frankly, it felt far too risky in the circumstances.  Contrasted with going to Cardiff last weekend, where most folk were wearing masks and you could socially distance pretty easily for the most part - I think there was maybe one shop where we had a few problems in that regard, but that was fairly unavoidable given it's layout and tbh I think they'd done the best they could in the circumstances.

Since the pandemic began, Wales has got a higher rate of cases per head of the population than England. Considering the relative population densities that's impossible to defend. Merthyr has got the 3rd highest case rate of any local authority area in the UK.

[sickbeggar]

There was this guy on the tv last night in York. Now he wasn't one of the "i'll do what I like because Johnson did" mob, but he was standing there with no mask on saying he was probably going to lose his job in the new years because no-one was coming to the club he worked at, and he's standing there in The Shambles, the narrowest street in the uk that was absolutely packed with a virus you can catch like a cold..

I mean......is it just me?

[chrisw1]

I was a bit depressed last night watching the news seeing those shoppers being interviewed saying they'd ignore lockdown because "those tories are laughing at us/one rule for them etc.." End of the day they'd didn't come up with the medical advice so it all seems a bit "if I die, that will show them!"

Not that I want a lockdown, but people are just thick......

I think that's the thing.  With it being quite clear that the Tories haven't been following their own rules, it makes it very difficult for them to impose them on anyone else.  They've lost an awful lot of their authority.

I agree about Johnson, some of his decisions have been awful, if the Labour party had won the last election, coronavirus would no longer be in the UK and we would have all survived

If only everyone had voted Labour!

It wouldn't, and you know that, but I'd suggest that if you look at Scotland & Wales there's still significantly higher compliance rates with things like wearing masks, social distancing, etc etc.  The overwhelming majority of people in those countries would/will support & follow stronger guidance if and when it comes in to play.

English guidelines have felt messy & inconsistent (to someone who lives just over the border), and it's come as absolutely no surprise that COVID has returned and is utterly rife because, quite honestly, it's shocking.  Went to Birmingham in the summer, and also for the Brighton home game.  Was absolutely shocking how little regard for social distancing and mask wearing there was.  Really made me, my dad, and my little girl all feel rather uncomfortable.  We cancelled a trip we were going to make to the Christmas markets because, quite frankly, it felt far too risky in the circumstances.  Contrasted with going to Cardiff last weekend, where most folk were wearing masks and you could socially distance pretty easily for the most part - I think there was maybe one shop where we had a few problems in that regard, but that was fairly unavoidable given it's layout and tbh I think they'd done the best they could in the circumstances.

Is it not a myth that Wales and Scotland have fared better than England during Covid?  I don't have stats to hand etc, but given the population density and international nature of London would skew figures, do the Welsh and Scots really have anything to shout about here?