How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?

[OzVilla]

The Athletic reporting Leagues One and Two will be finished this week, with a weighted home/away points per game applied to the remaining fixtures to decide final standings. God knows what the calculation might be but as our home form is better and we have more home games left...

Seen someone say for us:
6 home games left (71% of points) = 12.78 (rounded to 13 points), 4 away games (29% of points) =3.48 (rounded down to 3 points). Total = 16 points from remaining 10 games.
Currently 25 points + 16 points = 41

That right?

Its here, I've not worked out if its correct or not though.

For all this talk of PPG, which just seems to trip so easily off the tongue for some, I don't hear anybody say which particular model of PPG as there are about 4 or 5 they could go with.

1) Current league points x games, 2) Points weighted by home and away performance thus far, 3) League placings after 19 games, 4) Placings when the number of games played were last equal. 5) A N other

Even just going to PPG will cause issues as i'm sure each of these would provide a different outcome in some way.

So which PPG model and why that particular model over any of the others? You'd think it'd be a lawyers paradise.




 

[algy]

Is it today when they will make a decision whether to re-start the season or void it?

UEFA's deadline is 25th May, so I'm not expecting anything definitive before then.

[john e]

The Athletic reporting Leagues One and Two will be finished this week, with a weighted home/away points per game applied to the remaining fixtures to decide final standings. God knows what the calculation might be but as our home form is better and we have more home games left...

Seen someone say for us:
6 home games left (71% of points) = 12.78 (rounded to 13 points), 4 away games (29% of points) =3.48 (rounded down to 3 points). Total = 16 points from remaining 10 games.
Currently 25 points + 16 points = 41

That right?

Its here, I've not worked out if its correct or not though.

For all this talk of PPG, which just seems to trip so easily off the tongue for some, I don't hear anybody say which particular model of PPG as there are about 4 or 5 they could go with.

1) Current league points x games, 2) Points weighted by home and away performance thus far, 3) League placings after 19 games, 4) Placings when the number of games played were last equal. 5) A N other

Even just going to PPG will cause issues as i'm sure each of these would provide a different outcome in some way.

So which PPG model and why that particular model over any of the others? You'd think it'd be a lawyers paradise.




 

is there one where it works out we stay up ?

if there is that’s the best one I think

[aldridgeboy]

Yep, definitely that one ^

[LeeB]

I still think Newcastle could easily be in the void relegation camp. With a bad run they could still mathematically go down and that would completely scupper the Saudi takeover. 

Surely Ashley wouldn't take the risk and the Saudi's certainly wouldn't want him too as it'll all be on the proviso that they are in the PL.

I was thinking of another club that would have no real reason to carry on that no-one else seems to have mentioned, namely Man City.

- They're not at risk of finishing anywhere but 2nd
- They're already banned from European competition pending appeals
- Their manager, a man who seems to be a man of some principle and not likely to be cowed into towing a party line, has lost a parent to this disease
- Probably the one club to whom losing TV money would not make a fig of difference

There's doesn't strike me as a great deal of motivation for them to put their staff at risk from this, I could see them voting against it.

 

[algy]

I still think Newcastle could easily be in the void relegation camp. With a bad run they could still mathematically go down and that would completely scupper the Saudi takeover. 

Surely Ashley wouldn't take the risk and the Saudi's certainly wouldn't want him too as it'll all be on the proviso that they are in the PL.

I was thinking of another club that would have no real reason to carry on that no-one else seems to have mentioned, namely Man City.

- They're not at risk of finishing anywhere but 2nd
- They're already banned from European competition pending appeals
- Their manager, a man who seems to be a man of some principle and not likely to be cowed into towing a party line, has lost a parent to this disease
- Probably the one club to whom losing TV money would not make a fig of difference

There's doesn't strike me as a great deal of motivation for them to put their staff at risk from this, I could see them voting against it.

Excellent shout.  Also, the possibility of suspension of FFP would probably suit them, and that's (even) more likely without TV money, and more likely to go on for longer.  They've very little reason to want to play out the season.

[cdward]

Not sure whether this helps - from the EPL Handbook rules

A.1.169.
  “Season” means the period commencing on the date of the first League Match on the fixture list of the League’s first team competition and ending on the date of the last;

C.1.
Each Club shall play two League Matches against each other Club each Season, being the Home Club in respect of one such League Match and the Visiting Club in respect of the other.

C.14.
Subject to Rule C.15, the bottom three Clubs in the table at the end of the Season shall be relegated to The Football League.

So, in summary,
1. a "season" is when the fixture list is completed.
2. The fixture list is all clubs playing each other home and away
3. Relegation can only happen at the end of the "season".

There is enough in those 3 rules that will keep the lawyers busy.

[David_Nab]

I still think Newcastle could easily be in the void relegation camp. With a bad run they could still mathematically go down and that would completely scupper the Saudi takeover. 

Surely Ashley wouldn't take the risk and the Saudi's certainly wouldn't want him too as it'll all be on the proviso that they are in the PL.

I was thinking of another club that would have no real reason to carry on that no-one else seems to have mentioned, namely Man City.

- They're not at risk of finishing anywhere but 2nd
- They're already banned from European competition pending appeals
- Their manager, a man who seems to be a man of some principle and not likely to be cowed into towing a party line, has lost a parent to this disease
- Probably the one club to whom losing TV money would not make a fig of difference

There's doesn't strike me as a great deal of motivation for them to put their staff at risk from this, I could see them voting against it.

 

The points stand even if they do go along with it , they will just half ass it . Reserves / 5 subs a game etc

Usually at this time of season you have teams not up for it , part of the reason the bottom 3 can change so much as they are still motivated playing teams much less so .This time however they will give teams 5 subs thus allowing a 50% change of the outfield 10 at least but prob even keepers.

[David_Nab]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/shadow-sports-minister-proposes-20-22007227

1. Do you, on behalf of the Government, accept that it is the guidance of the UK Government that will underpin any positive decision to finish the 2019/2020 Premier League season; that the Government’s support is therefore a necessary condition for the project to work; and that therefore you will place in the House of Commons Library the Government’s advice to the Premier League?

2. Will you also publish the technical and medical documents that inform the decisions that you take on restarting the Premier League?

3. What mechanism have you established to take evidence from club doctors, independent of owners?

4. Who will be ultimately liable for the efficacy of occupational health risk assessments? Will it be club medical staff? What are the reasonable standards required during this current COVID-19 pandemic?

5. Will you place in the House of Commons Library advice provided by Public Health England on Project Restart?

6. How many COVID-19 tests will the completion of the current Premier League season require?

7. How many people, in total, will be present for games in order to complete the Premier League season?

8. How many medical staff will be present for games?

9. How many other non-playing staff will be present?

10. How will referees be allocated, and what advice have you provided for referees?

11. How many journalists and other media professionals will be present, and what advice has been provided for them?

12. For all the above groups, who will supply Personal Protective Equipment, and who will manage its correct use?

13. Over what time-frame will games be played?

14. What protocol has been agreed for responding to positive test results? Will you place this protocol in the House of Commons Library?

15. What financial support will the Premier League provide to the EFL and other leagues as part of Project Restart?

16. Will the 2020/2021 season of the Premier League be played without interruption or alteration?

17. What role has the Government asked the FA to play in the conclusion of the Premier League season?

18. What role has the Government asked the FA to play in supporting the grassroots game, and planning for its rebuild, once the current COVID19 outbreak is under control?

19. What steps is the Government planning to take if football clubs do collapse whilst waiting for the restart of football beyond the Premier League?

20. Given that Project Restart will not see fans watch games – for which they may hold tickets – will he work with clubs to see ticket prices are frozen or even reduced when fans are able to return to football grounds?

I would add

21.If football is not allowed to restart with the Government provide financial  backing to stop clubs going under and if so what would be the mechanisms in place to recoup this funding

[exigo]

22. How many footballs will need to be present for each game to be completed, given that players who don't want to put themselves at unnecessary risk will simply keep booting them into the top tiers of stands and out of the ground?

[olaftab]

I'm not saying it is fair. I've heard loads of people saying that 22 team Prem next season is a solution. I'm just wondering how those that do see it working further down the leagues.

Championship and League 1 will expand accordingly for a season or two before numbers are adjusted back to 20, 24 and 24.

[Marlon From Bearwood]

The Athletic reporting Leagues One and Two will be finished this week, with a weighted home/away points per game applied to the remaining fixtures to decide final standings. God knows what the calculation might be but as our home form is better and we have more home games left...

Seen someone say for us:
6 home games left (71% of points) = 12.78 (rounded to 13 points), 4 away games (29% of points) =3.48 (rounded down to 3 points). Total = 16 points from remaining 10 games.
Currently 25 points + 16 points = 41

That right?

Its here, I've not worked out if its correct or not though.

For all this talk of PPG, which just seems to trip so easily off the tongue for some, I don't hear anybody say which particular model of PPG as there are about 4 or 5 they could go with.

1) Current league points x games, 2) Points weighted by home and away performance thus far, 3) League placings after 19 games, 4) Placings when the number of games played were last equal. 5) A N other

Even just going to PPG will cause issues as i'm sure each of these would provide a different outcome in some way.

So which PPG model and why that particular model over any of the others? You'd think it'd be a lawyers paradise.




 

is there one where it works out we stay up ?

if there is that’s the best one I think

PPG, however you get double points for wins against teams wearing yellow and green.

[villasjf]

Ah footballs disappearing over the roof of the old Witton Lane Stand and watching it roll towards the road sometimes to be never seen again and others appearing to be thrown onto the pitch minutes after the new ball was in play.

[Marlon From Bearwood]

I still think Newcastle could easily be in the void relegation camp. With a bad run they could still mathematically go down and that would completely scupper the Saudi takeover. 

Surely Ashley wouldn't take the risk and the Saudi's certainly wouldn't want him too as it'll all be on the proviso that they are in the PL.

I was thinking of another club that would have no real reason to carry on that no-one else seems to have mentioned, namely Man City.

- They're not at risk of finishing anywhere but 2nd
- They're already banned from European competition pending appeals
- Their manager, a man who seems to be a man of some principle and not likely to be cowed into towing a party line, has lost a parent to this disease
- Probably the one club to whom losing TV money would not make a fig of difference

There's doesn't strike me as a great deal of motivation for them to put their staff at risk from this, I could see them voting against it.

Excellent shout.  Also, the possibility of suspension of FFP would probably suit them, and that's (even) more likely without TV money, and more likely to go on for longer.  They've very little reason to want to play out the season.

I’ve seen several Man City fans on Twitter who are totally against this project restart.

[aev]

I still think Newcastle could easily be in the void relegation camp. With a bad run they could still mathematically go down and that would completely scupper the Saudi takeover. 

Surely Ashley wouldn't take the risk and the Saudi's certainly wouldn't want him too as it'll all be on the proviso that they are in the PL.

I was thinking of another club that would have no real reason to carry on that no-one else seems to have mentioned, namely Man City.

- They're not at risk of finishing anywhere but 2nd
- They're already banned from European competition pending appeals
- Their manager, a man who seems to be a man of some principle and not likely to be cowed into towing a party line, has lost a parent to this disease
- Probably the one club to whom losing TV money would not make a fig of difference

There's doesn't strike me as a great deal of motivation for them to put their staff at risk from this, I could see them voting against it.

Excellent shout.  Also, the possibility of suspension of FFP would probably suit them, and that's (even) more likely without TV money, and more likely to go on for longer.  They've very little reason to want to play out the season.

I’ve seen several Man City fans on Twitter who are totally against this project restart.

I think fans are more likely to think of the moral aspects, or of course jealousy towards other clubs.

Chairmen / CEO's only really give a shit about cash.