How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?

[paul_e]

Your stance is the same as mine, ie if it can be played out safely then do it.

However, the majority are claiming that voiding the season is the only option.  My point is that they wouldn’t be stating that if our position was better.

I don't know how many are claiming it's the only option, it's the best option for a number of reasons though and the reasons against it weaken every week.

[Rory]

Lots of people don't want to see a competition completed when the variables have been dramatically altered with a quarter of the season left to play, and yes, lots of people don't want to see Villa relegated.

I'm struggling to work out exactly what you want. Would seeing football matches played in empty stadiums really represent a return to 'normality' for you? If anything it would make the whole situation more surreal for me, and add even less authenticity to the idea that the remaining games were part of the same season.

I also think you should stop being so hostile to your fellow posters. Cynically questioning the motives of others, who have nothing to feel bad about even if all they want is the best outcome for Villa, isn't a good look.

I want the season voided - Or any other solution that guarantees Villa staying up.  I really don't care.  I don't care about integrity, I don't care about Liverpool, I don't care about Europe etc, etc.

I am not hostile to other posters, neither have I pointed the finger at anyone.  You have a few genuine people at every club who put the morals first, then you have a few drama queens and then finally, you have a few who are that blinkered, they might not even realise that there are other valid options.  I have my own opinions on who is who but I keep them to myself.  If I broadcast them, perhaps that would be deemed hostile.

Agreed.  Either we have the highest moral values of pretty much any football forum I've seen, or a lot of people's views are more influenced by our own plight than perhaps they realise.

And what difference would that make? As someone pointed out earlier, those who want to finish the season behind doors only want that for their own reasons.

I think Villa will stay up either way. If that comes to pass, it doesn't mean I wouldn't feel the three relegated teams had been mistreated.

Then again, I felt like a lonely voice in the cricketing community last year saying that , in my opinion, New Zealand should've won the world cup on the basis of wickets taken. I'm an England fan and bloody loved that we won, doesn't mean I'm too blinkered to have my own views.

But I don't think it's anybody's place to question why Villa fans may be inclined towards the best outcome for Villa. Wouldn't it a bit of a pyrrhic victory to make fellow fans feel guilty for not being suitably dispassionate in what is by its nature a partisan sport?

[chrisw1]

There's nothing wrong with being parisan - I certainly am.  But there's pages of posts about how dreadful and heartless football is if they play behind closed doors etc.  People aren't saying I want the season voided because it suits my team.  They are creating a whole narrative about how football is evil, playing behind closed doors is callous and dangerous etc etc and voiding the season is the only possible solution and and aren't I virtuous railing against the machine...

The point Brassneck and I are pointing out is that like it or not, there seems to be a correlation betweeen peoples indignation that the PL would have the audacity to try to find a way to finish the season and the liklihood of said finishing the season being bad for their club.   

[aev]

Your stance is the same as mine, ie if it can be played out safely then do it.

However, the majority are claiming that voiding the season is the only option.  My point is that they wouldn’t be stating that if our position was better.

I don't know how many are claiming it's the only option, it's the best option for a number of reasons though and the reasons against it weaken every week.

I think they should have cancelled the season, and the UEFA stuff today suggests (to me) that they are happy for individual countries to do this by providing guidance regarding qualification to UEFA competitions.

What happens to relegation, I have no idea. Are points per game fair, no. Table as is, no. If we had all played the same number of games and we were still in the bottom 3 I still wouldn't think it fair. I think a season should be based on the same circumstances and conditions over its duration. 

[Rory]

There's nothing wrong with being parisan - I certainly am.  But there's pages of posts about how dreadful and heartless football is if they play behind closed doors etc.  People aren't saying I want the season voided because it suits my team.  They are creating a whole narrative about how football is evil, playing behind closed doors is callous and dangerous etc etc and voiding the season is the only possible solution and and aren't I virtuous railing against the machine...

The point Brassneck and I are pointing out is that like it or not, there seems to be a correlation betweeen peoples indignation that the PL would have the audacity to try to find a way to finish the season and the liklihood of said finishing the season being bad for their club.

Fair enough. I understand people who want the season finished, and I don't think it's disgusting or anything like that. But I have been disenchanted with the PL for a good few seasons and I think the way they are going about things is self-important and a little tasteless.

[Richard E]

There’s nothing wrong with being partisan, as long as you’re not OFTEN partisan.

[Rory]

There’s nothing wrong with being partisan, as long as you’re not OFTEN partisan.

Quite! It's the thought of having to play those sad wankers again that makes me so determined to believe we will stay up.

[old man villa fan]

I am not hostile to other posters, neither have I pointed the finger at anyone.  You have a few genuine people at every club who put the morals first, then you have a few drama queens and then finally, you have a few who are that blinkered, they might not even realise that there are other valid options.  I have my own opinions on who is who but I keep them to myself.  If I broadcast them, perhaps that would be deemed hostile.

Hmmm

[montague]

I have honestly stopped caring what league we are in next year, it really doesnt matter in the scheme of things. Saying that I would not be sure football will be back for the new season let alone finishing this one. June is pie in the sky.

[paul_e]

There's nothing wrong with being parisan - I certainly am.  But there's pages of posts about how dreadful and heartless football is if they play behind closed doors etc.  People aren't saying I want the season voided because it suits my team.  They are creating a whole narrative about how football is evil, playing behind closed doors is callous and dangerous etc etc and voiding the season is the only possible solution and and aren't I virtuous railing against the machine...

The point Brassneck and I are pointing out is that like it or not, there seems to be a correlation betweeen peoples indignation that the PL would have the audacity to try to find a way to finish the season and the liklihood of said finishing the season being bad for their club.   

There's a lot of bad interpretation going on here. Your use of "Dreadful and Heartless" is a good example. I can see lots of posts saying soulless and I can see posts about how it's poor form to use a fuckload of tests to allow football games to be played when, for numerous reasons, there are still lots of people who should be tested who don't have access to them. These aren't fairly represented by your chocie of phrase which makes it sound very different.

I can also see posts saying that the league seem to currently be more interested in protecting their revenue streams than in doing the right thing for players, officials and fans. This was true before this all started and many people will have at least have had a dislike for the whole thing for a long time.


Having a couple of people on here accusing anyone who doesn't see most of the options as feasible of being blinkered or partisan is pretty arsey and servers no purpose other than to discount anything they post because you've decided that their opinion is biased.

[Ads]

I care what league we're in, it matters to me. It better be the top flight, 'cuz if its not...

[Steve67]

There's nothing wrong with being parisan - I certainly am.  But there's pages of posts about how dreadful and heartless football is if they play behind closed doors etc.  People aren't saying I want the season voided because it suits my team.  They are creating a whole narrative about how football is evil, playing behind closed doors is callous and dangerous etc etc and voiding the season is the only possible solution and and aren't I virtuous railing against the machine...

The point Brassneck and I are pointing out is that like it or not, there seems to be a correlation betweeen peoples indignation that the PL would have the audacity to try to find a way to finish the season and the liklihood of said finishing the season being bad for their club.   

There's a lot of bad interpretation going on here. Your use of "Dreadful and Heartless" is a good example. I can see lots of posts saying soulless and I can see posts about how it's poor form to use a fuckload of tests to allow football games to be played when, for numerous reasons, there are still lots of people who should be tested who don't have access to them. These aren't fairly represented by your chocie of phrase which makes it sound very different.

I can also see posts saying that the league seem to currently be more interested in protecting their revenue streams than in doing the right thing for players, officials and fans. This was true before this all started and many people will have at least have had a dislike for the whole thing for a long time.


Having a couple of people on here accusing anyone who doesn't see most of the options as feasible of being blinkered or partisan is pretty arsey and servers no purpose other than to discount anything they post because you've decided that their opinion is biased.

Well said Paul. It also ruins reasoned debate about how things might be done going forward because any suggestion means that posters are so partisan Villa than anything said is biased because we are only thinking of ourselves.  Completely unfair and insipid. 

[Brassneck]

You seem to want it both ways here.  Have your views by all means but every single time I suggest there's mileage in playing out the season if safe to do so, I get shot down.  This despite the fact that most football fans want to see the season played out.

People don't like being called blinkered and others "thinking for them" yet that is exactly what they are doing to the PL board and its members.  How can anyone possibly know what is being discussed at board level or what their motives are?  Talk about double standards.

Anyone who thinks the PL & its members are only considering money is being very naive and anyone who thinks that voiding the season is the only solution is blinkered.  You can't escape that.

There are numerous options, some of which haven't even been discussed yet.  Until we know what options are definitely available, it's pointless trying to second guess what the league are doing or what is the best option.

[montague]

I care what league we're in, it matters to me. It better be the top flight, 'cuz if its not...

Frankly when everything stopped we were the worst team in the division and the chances of staying up getting slimmer anyway

[Brassneck]

You seem to want it both ways here.  Have your views by all means but every single time I suggest there's mileage in playing out the season if safe to do so, I get shot down.  This despite the fact that most football fans want to see the season played out.

People don't like being called blinkered and others "thinking for them" yet that is exactly what they are doing to the PL board and its members.  How can anyone possibly know what is being discussed at board level or what their motives are?  Talk about double standards.

Anyone who thinks the PL & its members are only considering money is being very naive and anyone who thinks that voiding the season is the only solution is blinkered.  You can't escape that.

There are numerous options, some of which haven't even been discussed yet.  Until we know what options are definitely available, it's pointless trying to second guess what the league are doing or what is the best option.

I am 100% biased towards Villa. I admit it - I don't care about anything else.  However, I am not blinkered enough to claim that the solution that suits us best is the ONLY solution.  That is ridiculous.