Fans Worried Over Villa Future

[Legion]

Great pic! Is it RH (JOKE Rich!!)?

[pete bland]

I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong...

Somewhere on the right wing? I'm sure they'll care for you there.

[Laughing Gravity]

Did the Supporters Trust ask any questions at the AGM? If so what were they?

And am I right in thinking that the £50,000 for the William McGregor Statue has to be totally raised by the Trust? How is that fund going? What is the club contributing? The space to put it on? Also am I right in thinking that the Board just awarded themselves a bonus of £50,000 each?

It's a strange world.

Are the Trust actually doing anything interesting at the moment?

How many fully paid up members are there?

How many were at the last AGM?

I think the Trust is a good idea, I'm just trying to gauge its moral superiority over anyone else to have a say.

[Disco Stu]

I’m not sure to which section of the Villa community I belong...

Somewhere on the right wing? I'm sure they'll care for you there.

I’m not really sure what that means but does anyone else get the impression that Blandy’s stuck in a 1970s time warp?

[Chris Smith]

Did the Supporters Trust ask any questions at the AGM? If so what were they?

And am I right in thinking that the £50,000 for the William McGregor Statue has to be totally raised by the Trust? How is that fund going? What is the club contributing? The space to put it on? Also am I right in thinking that the Board just awarded themselves a bonus of £50,000 each?

It's a strange world.

Are the Trust actually doing anything interesting at the moment?

How many fully paid up members are there?

How many were at the last AGM?

I think the Trust is a good idea, I'm just trying to gauge its moral superiority over anyone else to have a say.

What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?

[Tony]

Where has anyone claimed to "speak on behalf of all Villa supporters". The Trust having a view that something is not, in their opinion, in the interests of supporters is not the same as being a Villa Fans Chief.

If VFC speak then people accuse them of saying they are speaking on behalf of all Villa supporters, which is something I've never seen them claim. A spokesman for the trust could easily be described as a "Villa fans chief" and it still wouldn't make me think they were claiming to represent all Villa fans either.

[ianrobo]

Tony that is the most sensible post on this whole thread (just spent 20 minutes looking at the latest).

[Laughing Gravity]

What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?

I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.

How many fully paid up ST members are there and how many were at the last AGM?

How is the statue fund going? Why can't they persuade the club just to erect one anyway and pay for it?

Is the ST active?

[Chris Harte]

What do you mean by moral superiority, it's a strange concept to attach to any organisation of football supporters. Does this mean that in your version of the world there is some sort of league table of morality?

I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.

How many fully paid up ST members are there and how many were at the last AGM?

How is the statue fund going? Why can't they persuade the club just to erect one anyway and pay for it?

Is the ST active?

I can't speak for anyone else here but I'm a Share Trust member. I didn't go to the last AGM. And I have given the ST my proxy in the past, so they have spoken for me. More so than the VFC. Last I heard the ST had about 300 hundred members (I'm sure others can confirm or deny this) and I am receiving emails from them at present which suggests that they are active.

[Chris Smith]

I mean some people think the ST have more right to speak for the fans then VFC. I'm saying that isn't true.

Who thinks that?

[Laughing Gravity]

Last I heard the ST had about 300 hundred members

How many fully paid up members?

[Laughing Gravity]

Who thinks that?

The Trust Supporters who slag off VFC every time they open their mouth.

Did the Trust ask any questions at the last Villa AGM?

[peter w]

I hope the ST is still active as myself and 3 others have just sent off the application forms. I'm not a big VFC fan but for my own reasons.Its a matter of personal opinion. I find constant banging on about Ellis becomes counter productive. What's the plan B as it isn't working. Do they have a follow up strategy. A pressure groupdon't just release the same type of statement and keep saying it because the effect is lost on the person they're aftyer-Ellis. but loses broad appeal and support of Villa fans. Surely that's just as important. IMO they are banging the same drum to the point of coming across as moaners. Once that is recognised, they have to sit down-whoever it is- and decide on the next step. If they cannot come up with anything new, then they have to ask themselves what are they for? A march before a game, a demonstration? They need to get popular support from the majority of Villa fans to be successful in their aims. Instead they seem to be losing it.

[Laughing Gravity]

I find constant banging on about Ellis becomes counter productive.

I disagree. If at first you don't succeed...

You know when athletes lose the first few races in their career should they give up?

You know when people are falsely imprisoned and there family and friends don't get immediate rectification, should they give up?

Your logic is for losers.

[peter w]

But we're talking about the tactics of a pressure group. Not athletes. And yes, if athletes loses races, they may look to change a coach, training methods,race tactics, instead of trying the same thing that didn't work before. Family members falsely imprisoned? Get a sense of reality, that is the most pathetic thing I have seen. Go to somebody who is in that situation and tell them you want to compare what they do with VFC changing chairman they'll laugh at you. What these groups do, as you bring it up, isn't to just issue you press statements, and ask questions at AGM's it goes deeper and further than that. If thats how VFC see themselves, and how they compare their cause, then they demand less repect than first thought.