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Offline Risso

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« Reply #585 on: October 21, 2005, 04:05:03 PM »
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He might be embarassed by it, but he doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening. I do wish VFC would realise that when you've got nothing to say, the best course is to say nothing. Then again, we wouldn't have these pleasant little debates if they did.


It happened once that I've seen.  You're positive Jon knew that's what the journo in question was going to write before he printed it, and did nothing to stop it?

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« Reply #586 on: October 21, 2005, 04:05:46 PM »
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I know that Risso, but as I posted 80 pages back I don't think enough has been done to correct that view and it detracts from their credibility in my eyes. If they get misrepresented once then that's fair enough, but to allow it to keep happening leaves them open to the criticism that will inevitably follow.


I only ever remember seeing the term "Fans' Chief" in one piece, and read on another site that Jon was embarrassed by it.

I think that most people are intelligent enough to work out that when a group is mentioned, it doen't necessarily mean all fans agree with that point of view.


I'll say this quickly in case Simon tells me off. That particular term might only have been used once, but they are often misrepresented as 'an umbrella group for all supporters organisations' or similar. That's not true and they should make it clear to the press people that they deal with just who they represent. Then we might have an idea too.

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« Reply #587 on: October 21, 2005, 04:06:06 PM »
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So is ST membership on the increase or decline?


I think we have a right to know.

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« Reply #588 on: October 21, 2005, 04:06:12 PM »
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I can't find my form.....


I never had a renewal form either.

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« Reply #589 on: October 21, 2005, 04:08:24 PM »
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"



It happened once that I've seen.  You're positive Jon knew that's what the journo in question was going to write before he printed it, and did nothing to stop it?


I doubt very much that he knew what said journo was going to write - the first time. Has he spoken to him since?

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« Reply #590 on: October 21, 2005, 04:11:22 PM »
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I doubt very much that he knew what said journo was going to write - the first time. Has he spoken to him since?


I don't know.  Has the term "Fans' chief" been used since?

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« Reply #591 on: October 21, 2005, 04:15:23 PM »
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So is ST membership on the increase or decline?


I think we have a right to know.


have the members voted with their feet?

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« Reply #592 on: October 21, 2005, 04:19:19 PM »
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have the members voted with their feet?

Surely only Christy Brown could do that.

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« Reply #593 on: October 21, 2005, 04:21:29 PM »
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(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).


I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he cut off the wrong bit.

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« Reply #594 on: October 21, 2005, 04:26:16 PM »
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I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.

It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
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I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private. Arguing that supporters should have that right is not the same as claiming to speak for all supporters, IMO.

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« Reply #595 on: October 21, 2005, 04:31:13 PM »
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I agree with Laughing Gravity. The Trust PR does appear to be claiming that the Trust wishes to decide whether...good for ALL supporters.

It may not be what was intended to be said, but it's how it comes across. Honestly, it does.
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I read it as the ST being keen that all supporters retain the right to be shareholders if the club goes private.


I don't think that's what they were getting at, as it's impossible.

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« Reply #596 on: October 21, 2005, 04:31:55 PM »
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(or may I call you Laughing as I bet your Christening was a blast).


I was circumcised by a Russian Rabbi in Stoke.


Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but he cut off the wrong bit.


Straight in at this week's Number One...

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« Reply #597 on: October 21, 2005, 04:32:04 PM »
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I'll say this quickly in case Simon tells me off. That particular term might only have been used once, but they are often misrepresented as 'an umbrella group for all supporters organisations' or similar. That's not true and they should make it clear to the press people that they deal with just who they represent. Then we might have an idea too.


You're a very naughty... oh fck it.

Pete Bland said:

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It's a pressure group. A group of people backed by many more, putting forward a particular viewpoint. VFC doesn't represent all villa fans and has never claimed to do so.


So who's in the group? Who's in the backers?

I did find this while I was being dull

It is two years old but I just randomly clicked on a PR in the list. It states:

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VFC (Villa Fans Combined)
VFC is an umbrella group that includes independent websites such as Holteenders.com (Mike Field), VillaTalk.com (Peter Bosworth and John Cresswell), astonished etc, Navid Nazir of Avisa, The Aston Villa Shareholders Association, Jonathan Fear and a long list of supporters from all sections of the Villa community.


Is it still the case?

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« Reply #598 on: October 21, 2005, 04:32:49 PM »
Seeing as it's sticking around, can somebody edit the thread title and remove the ALL CAPS please? It's doing my head in.

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« Reply #599 on: October 21, 2005, 04:35:45 PM »
Why is the ST being so secretive about its membership numbers?
Are they up or down?

 


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