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« Reply #240 on: October 19, 2005, 12:37:20 PM »
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His version posted on that blog seems to contradict what he told you Dave.


How? His anecdote relates to Doug asking him to paint Doug in a better light, which is typical Doug. Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.


In Andy Gray's autobiography, Gray states while working as assistant to BFR, that BFR hated Ellis. Gray advised BFR not to take such a bold stand against Ellis as he in the end he could never win, but BFR could not stand the man and made it obvious to all. The rest is history.

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« Reply #241 on: October 19, 2005, 12:45:59 PM »
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Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.


What do you think though Dave? Do you honestly believe he never did?

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« Reply #242 on: October 19, 2005, 12:53:32 PM »
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Nowhere does he say that Ellis influenced his team selections, and to my knowledge, no other manager ever has, either.


What do you think though Dave? Do you honestly believe he never did?


Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.

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« Reply #243 on: October 19, 2005, 01:15:30 PM »
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Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.


I disagree. Graham Turner and Billy McNeil being prime candidates.

I think Graham Taylor and BFR would have easily resisted, they were a match for him.

The others? If the pressure was big enough, I think so.

It takes a strong man to resist when your boss says "I think this is a good idea".

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« Reply #244 on: October 19, 2005, 01:31:55 PM »
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Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?


No


Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.


I suppose it is.  Go for it then.

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« Reply #245 on: October 19, 2005, 01:32:48 PM »
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I don't blame you, I wouldn't want to admit it either.


That'll be because you're not one either I assume.

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« Reply #246 on: October 19, 2005, 01:34:05 PM »
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Yes I do. He may have tried to, but I don't think that any of his managers would ever have stood for such interference.


I disagree. Graham Turner and Billy McNeil being prime candidates.

I think Graham Taylor and BFR would have easily resisted, they were a match for him.

The others? If the pressure was big enough, I think so.

It takes a strong man to resist when your boss says "I think this is a good idea".


So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?

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« Reply #247 on: October 19, 2005, 01:37:25 PM »
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Are you an official of the organisation known as VFC?


No


Then surely the obvious thing is to take up the point with somebody who is.


I suppose it is.  Go for it then.


What with VFC's record on answering questions?

Perhaps they'll tell somebody who spends all his free time banging on about how wonderful they are.

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« Reply #248 on: October 19, 2005, 01:40:27 PM »
Maybe your new identity will lull them into a false sense of security.

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« Reply #249 on: October 19, 2005, 01:44:31 PM »
Good idea.  Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.

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« Reply #250 on: October 19, 2005, 01:47:06 PM »
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So can you give us any examples of which players may have been picked ahead of others or at the expense of others, to back up these claims?


You want me to search through my secret Doug phone tap recordings? It might take a while.

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« Reply #251 on: October 19, 2005, 01:50:09 PM »
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Good idea.  Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.


Are there any?  The man was a bit of a dick, but if he was being paid to do a job, he should have been able to get on with it without interference from Doug.  If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.

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« Reply #252 on: October 19, 2005, 01:53:13 PM »
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If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.


He was sacked and replaced. He then became a favourite of some. (See also Taylor, Graham - 'From Lying, Cowardly Tosser to Visionary in One Easy Move'.)

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« Reply #253 on: October 19, 2005, 01:53:23 PM »
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Good idea.  Change the subject and maybe you can avoid the difficult Ansell related questions.


Are there any?  The man was a bit of a dick, but if he was being paid to do a job, he should have been able to get on with it without interference from Doug.  If he wasn't, he should have been sacked and replaced.


Yes.

They surely relate to any contact between VFC and Ansell following his resignation from the board.  

Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso?  Don’t they trust you with such information?

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« Reply #254 on: October 19, 2005, 02:00:20 PM »
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Are you not in the VFC loop, Risso?  Don’t they trust you with such information?


I've never claimed to be.

 


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