Fans Worried Over Villa Future

[Big Daddy p 23]

There are an awful lot of people out there who want to see the back of Ellis, and I'm sure that many of them agree with Jon's statements. There may well be as many who think Doug's done a great job. Nothing's stopping any of them forming a group or contacting the media.

However if that happened and then this new group made out like they spoke for the majority of villa fans, i bet Mr Fear and the old VFC wouldn't be to happy with that.

[Risso]

However if that happened and then this new group made out like that spoke for the majority of villa fans, i bet Mr Fear and the old VFC would be to happy with that.

Want to try that again, but in English this time?

[Big Daddy p 23]

Most people? Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?

Wait i made out i was speaking on behalf of more people than i actually was and you weren't happy with this. Isn't that strange.

And yes i was rushing my post so it didn't come out great. Well done Risso you must be a much better man than me. I think it's pretty pathetic when during a discussion you have to bring in how someone has written their post.

[Mazrim]

Gentleman. Can we not start with all this VFC bollocks again please.


We all want the best for Villa. Some of us differ slightly in how that is best achieved.
Most of us see a takeover by a reputable and financially sound group as the best way forward. It may or may not happen.

Lets wait and see.

[Risso]

Well done Risso you must be a much better man than me. I think it's pretty pathetic when during a discussion you have to bring in how someone has written their post.

Hang on a second, according to you, Jon Fear shouldn't comment on Ellis's chairmanship, because he hasn't had the intelligence to have amassed a personal fortune, and yet you can't string a simple sentence together so it's readable to other members of the site.

[Simon Page]

Most people? Or a few people on H&V with an axe to grind?

Although I disagree with the "axe to grind" bit, you've hit the nail on the head. I reckon I share the view of some (God knows how many) Villa fans. One of the things I like about coming on here or talking to other Villa fans is sharing those views - sometimes convincing other people of my view, sometimes being convinced by the view of others.

What I'm always prepared for is facing a contrary view. I welcome it because it helps inform and stops me disappearing up my own arse in the delluded belief that I hold all knowledge.

How has VFC reacted to contrary views?

[Chris Jameson]

How has VFC reacted to contrary views?

They note things with interest?

[Big Daddy p 23]

Hang on a second, according to you, Jon Fear shouldn't comment on Ellis's chairmanship, because he hasn't had the intelligence to have amassed a personal fortune, and yet you can't string a simple sentence together so it's readable to other members of the site.

I never said he shouldn't comment, i said i don't agree with some of his methods and doing nothing to stop this image that he speaks on behalf of villa fans. However there is a big difference between just a comment and telling doug directly to his face how things should be done and demanding his resignation. Just my opinion mind and notice how i've just stuck to the points you've made and not how you write them on an internet message board.

[Tony]

Second - Jon Fear regularly contacts the media, describing himself as the spokesman for VFC, which he then describes as a coalition of Villa fans' groups (although VFC tends to be sketchy about what these groups are). He therefore is, by any definition, calling himself a fans' leader. He has also, no matter how much he protests about the phrase, never, to my knowledge, refused to speak to anyone who describes him in the terms he claims to dislike. I can therefore only presume that he's happy to be called a fans' leader.

I think there's a big difference between claiming to be a fans leader and claiming to speak for all fans, which is where the bulk of the criticism comes from, I've never had the impression that Jon Fear is claiming to speak for me, he does claim to speak for VFC and if the people in VFC don't like that then that's up to them to sort out.

[ianrobo]

so apparently we can not have freedom of speech and tell Ellis how he should ru(i)n OUR club.

fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.

[Simon Page]

How has VFC reacted to contrary views?

They note things with interest?

As it happens, they ignore it. They react to abuse and note occurrances.

[dave.woodhall]

fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.

And we can't have personal comments, can we? That would never do.

VFC speak about the Villa. What gives them the divine right not to be spoken about by Villa supporters?

[Mac]

fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.

Are you talking about VFC Ian?

The reason people comment on VFC is simple.  They make all Villa fans look like moaning whingers.  When 2 defeats can cause a protest and one win stops it.

Plus some of their idiotic statements/actions and timing of press releases makes it impossible not to pass comment.

[Pete]

he does claim to speak for VFC and if the people in VFC don't like that then that's up to them to sort out.

Whoever these people might be, if indeed there are people "in" VFC.

*ducks for cover*

[Tony]

fine you disagree with Jon's comments that is ok but the comments every time there is a VFC comment is daft, OTT and also very personal.

Which could be said about some of the comments released by VFC about Doug.