Gary Newbon/Jimmy Greaves argument after Villa vs Blues derby

[castlefields_villan]

Watched the BT sport documentary about him the other day  His goal scoring record is second to none and would have scored lots more for England if he continued playing. Was always very funny on the telly, I think he co commentated on our first game against Inter iirc.

I've got both the argument with Gary Newbon and the above mentioned 2-0 win v Inter Milan on old VHS tapes somewhere in my garage - I'm due a sort out soon and once I've found them will give them both another viewing.

I always refer to the 1-0 win against the rags in October 1983 as the 3rd "Battle of Villa Park - the first being against Albion in 1977 and the second being against Barcelona earlier in 1983.  The game was definitely X rated stuff and today it probably would've ended up about 8 a side.  I remember even the normally mild Dennis Mortimer squaring up to Harford after an incident in the water in front of the old Witton Lane stand.  I still smile when I see Greavsie  putting his case and laugh even more when I think about Peter Withe's winning goal and Nigel Spink's late penalty save.  My 40 year old nephew if the games against the rags were "tasty" and maybe apart from the 0-2 defeat in 2003, I doubt there was a more violent game than this.

On a happier note - that 2-0 win v Inter in 1990 was one of the great nights at Villa Park - how I enjoyed watching it again the next night with as said earlier Jimmy Greaves co commentating alongside Brian Moore being the main man.

[Lastfootstamper]

I've not watched the Inter game back in all the years since. Is a decent-ish quality version knocking about online anywhere?

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

It's on Youtube:

[Damo70]

To this day I still reckon that the 1990 Inter game was right up there for goal celebrations on The Holte. After the second goal I had totally lost all of the mates I always stood with and I am not sure I was still in the B6 post code area. It was ages before we all regrouped together.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Talking of Saint and Greavsie ( which we weren't)....

any excuse to trot this one out again

Even Doug gets a mention

[rob_bridge]

Him and Cooper are very funny

Jimmy Greaves contradicting himself in the commentary. "He must have been three yards offside.....taking nothing away from him".

Stonewall.sending off and legitimate goal, Greavsie is moaning that the linesman didnt agree with his incorrect viewpoint.

Pillock. Always thought he was a lazy pundit. Then again Lawro superseded him there.

[dcdavecollett]

Yes, not a great moment for Jimmy, especially bearing in mind his friendship with the then SH manager, Barry 'What do you mean I've only signed six players this week' Fry.

[Damo70]

Watched the BT sport documentary about him the other day  His goal scoring record is second to none and would have scored lots more for England if he continued playing. Was always very funny on the telly, I think he co commentated on our first game against Inter iirc.

I've got both the argument with Gary Newbon and the above mentioned 2-0 win v Inter Milan on old VHS tapes somewhere in my garage - I'm due a sort out soon and once I've found them will give them both another viewing.

I always refer to the 1-0 win against the rags in October 1983 as the 3rd "Battle of Villa Park - the first being against Albion in 1977 and the second being against Barcelona earlier in 1983.  The game was definitely X rated stuff and today it probably would've ended up about 8 a side.  I remember even the normally mild Dennis Mortimer squaring up to Harford after an incident in the water in front of the old Witton Lane stand.  I still smile when I see Greavsie  putting his case and laugh even more when I think about Peter Withe's winning goal and Nigel Spink's late penalty save.  My 40 year old nephew if the games against the rags were "tasty" and maybe apart from the 0-2 defeat in 2003, I doubt there was a more violent game than this.

On a happier note - that 2-0 win v Inter in 1990 was one of the great nights at Villa Park - how I enjoyed watching it again the next night with as said earlier Jimmy Greaves co commentating alongside Brian Moore being the main man.

I think the October '83 derby at Villa park was the nastiest for on pitch behaviour. For nastiness in and around the ground I would go for Boxing day 1982. The two games in 2002/2003 were moody on and off the pitch, particularly the 'second leg' at Villa Park. Absence clearly doesn't make the heart grow stronger, it just makes the hatred stronger. I don't recall our two league cup ties in 1988 or the two ties in 1993 being anywhere near the nastiness and hatred of the two Premier league games in 2002/2003. I was in Australia for the game at the sty in December 1987 but I understand from those who were at the game that it was 'rather lively'.

[kippaxvilla2]

December 1987.  Started off with Villa fans allegedly breaking into their ground the night before daubing it with slogans and cutting the goal nets hence Kennedy’s equaliser going into the goal and out again. 

Then when we scored the first in typical hospitable fashion they didn’t like it and it kicked off massively in the corner of the Tilton and the Kop.  Our turnout that day was like nothing I’d seen before or since at a game at the Sty.  How the police kept us apart for the rest of the game is anyone’s guess.

Then the trudge down backstreets of Garrison Lane trying to make my way to Dale End.  They were coming out of everywhere randomly attacking anyone colours or no colours.  Pitch black on a cold December Saturday evening I was rather relieved to make it into town with a minor scratch after an atercation involving a chase round a parked car.  Happy days.

[rob_bridge]

Yeah 1987was proper bandit country. People were getting chucked out from an hour before until into the 2nd half. Some prick tried to trip me up down green lane way - I was on crutches at the time with a bust leg. Anyway the prick got said crutch over his head by my Dad's mate who I had went with.

[dave.woodhall]

Yeah 1987was proper bandit country. People were getting chucked out from an hour before until into the 2nd half. Some prick tried to trip me up down green lane way - I was on crutches at the time with a bust leg. Anyway the prick got said crutch over his head by my Dad's mate who I had went with.

Go and stand in the corner and have a good think about what you've done.

[Lastfootstamper]

I don't recall our two league cup ties in 1988 ... being anywhere near the nastiness and hatred of the two Premier league games in 2002/2003. I was in Australia for the game at the sty in December 1987 but I understand from those who were at the game that it was 'rather lively'.

December 1987.  Started off with Villa fans allegedly breaking into their ground the night before daubing it with slogans and cutting the goal nets hence Kennedy’s equaliser going into the goal and out again. 

Then when we scored the first in typical hospitable fashion they didn’t like it and it kicked off massively in the corner of the Tilton and the Kop.  Our turnout that day was like nothing I’d seen before or since at a game at the Sty.  How the police kept us apart for the rest of the game is anyone’s guess.

Then the trudge down backstreets of Garrison Lane trying to make my way to Dale End.  They were coming out of everywhere randomly attacking anyone colours or no colours.  Pitch black on a cold December Saturday evening I was rather relieved to make it into town with a minor scratch after an atercation involving a chase round a parked car.  Happy days.

Mad, innit. I was at all three games, wouldn't have missed one for the world back then. League game, as mental as you say, they always were. Those Cup games, I went to both with a couple of nose mates, and we stood on the kop at theirs, then on The Holte back at ours, with not a hint of naughtiness.

[Richard E]

December 1987.  Started off with Villa fans allegedly breaking into their ground the night before daubing it with slogans and cutting the goal nets hence Kennedy’s equaliser going into the goal and out again. 

Then when we scored the first in typical hospitable fashion they didn’t like it and it kicked off massively in the corner of the Tilton and the Kop.  Our turnout that day was like nothing I’d seen before or since at a game at the Sty.  How the police kept us apart for the rest of the game is anyone’s guess.

Then the trudge down backstreets of Garrison Lane trying to make my way to Dale End.  They were coming out of everywhere randomly attacking anyone colours or no colours.  Pitch black on a cold December Saturday evening I was rather relieved to make it into town with a minor scratch after an atercation involving a chase round a parked car.  Happy days.

 I remember us singing ‘There’s only six thousand Blues fans.’

[Damo70]

Him and Cooper are very funny

Jimmy Greaves contradicting himself in the commentary. "He must have been three yards offside.....taking nothing away from him".

Stonewall.sending off and legitimate goal, Greavsie is moaning that the linesman didnt agree with his incorrect viewpoint.

Pillock. Always thought he was a lazy pundit. Then again Lawro superseded him there.

I had to lawyer up and go to court about ten years back. I have no idea how the subject came up but in one conversation with the guy representing me he told me that he had represented Paul Tait in court so many times he had lost count.

[WarszaVillan]

After the Greaves Newbon argument I had a letter published in the Shoot magazine, arguing against Greaves. Got five quid for it as I remember. Does anyone have any idea how I'd be able to find it?