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Author Topic: Relegation Watch  (Read 25648 times)

Offline in exile

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #360 on: March 10, 2020, 07:30:08 AM »
As poor as last night was, as poor as our season has been, I shall still be at Villa Park next season cheering us on albeit in the Championship

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #361 on: March 10, 2020, 07:32:22 AM »
When you give up goals and chances as easily as we do, you cannot hope to stay up;

Reina's utter stupidity for the first
Beaten at his near post twice
The shambles at corners in failing to mark
The 5 or 6 times in the first half alone we passed ourselves into trouble
The ease teams break beyond our midfield

Then you couple that with playing Championship players against teams with a lot of quality, what are you realistically expecting? Elmo and Hourihane, just why?

The absence of any attacking structure. Last night Leicester breezed back into form without being particularly good. They made the pitch big, with Barnes and Albrighton playing very high and very wide.

What was our method? What were we hoping to achieve?

That Reina mistake was so bad, it killed any hope. The absence of organisation has been there all season, but it's only getting worse.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2020, 07:42:59 AM by Ads »

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #362 on: March 10, 2020, 07:38:57 AM »
The total lack of organisation is beyond me. We don't have a great squad, but I also don't think its the worst. But all season teams have been able to walk through and take free headers from corners, etc. This is totally down to the management, who unfortunately are being shown to be out of their depth.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #363 on: March 10, 2020, 07:40:41 AM »
I am still shell shocked after last night's debacle. We are sleep walking to relegation. We haven't conducted ourselves like a big club since MON left. We should have got Big Sam in weeks ago.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #364 on: March 10, 2020, 09:29:42 AM »

Then you couple that with playing Championship players against teams with a lot of quality, what are you realistically expecting? Elmo and Hourihane, just why?


Is there a viable alternative though? Not disagreeing but we have too many players/position where the limitations and weaknesses severely outweighs their strengths.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #365 on: March 10, 2020, 09:32:47 AM »
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #366 on: March 10, 2020, 10:28:41 AM »
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.

Maybe the tools he has at his disposal just aren't good enough. We're getting found out the longer the season goes on which isn't a surprise really, it often happens with newly promoted sides. I was just too optimistic earlier in the season as I felt we'd do ok and that Sheff United would be the ones found out, however, their strength and system has really helped....

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #367 on: March 10, 2020, 10:39:55 AM »
We are consistently terrible. It is unacceptable.

Iíve watched Norwich more than Iím comfortable with this season and you get the impression that they are a little unlucky to be bottom, that they are one or two players away from being a reasonable side.

We have no shape, allow teams to completely dominate us, give space in the box and are completely one dimensional in attack.
I have zero belief in this side.



They're the same as us, simply can't defend. If they'd signed a Mings type CB they'd probably be 17th.

Worth noting they won the championship last season conceding nearly 60 goals so pretty much the same as us.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #368 on: March 10, 2020, 10:54:49 AM »
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.

Maybe the tools he has at his disposal just aren't good enough. We're getting found out the longer the season goes on which isn't a surprise really, it often happens with newly promoted sides. I was just too optimistic earlier in the season as I felt we'd do ok and that Sheff United would be the ones found out, however, their strength and system has really helped....
Exactly this.  Wesley was just a ridiculous gamble that didn't pay off.  Marv and Doug have good potential but were just the wrong players for us at the time given our circumstances.  Trez much the same, but worse than these two.

Ignoring loans and trying to move too quickly to the 'young and hungry' model has done for us.  Again.

Offline Fred Crump

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #369 on: March 10, 2020, 11:02:57 AM »
Agree. Itís just possible that in future Luiz , El Ghazi , Wesley and Freddie might do well enough in a stronger side at another club ( like Veretout, Gana , Westwood, Lowton and Adama ) but right now, when it counts,thereís too many of them who simply arenít good enough to keep us up.

Offline Luke8

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #370 on: March 10, 2020, 11:37:43 AM »
Without going over old ground, with regards to the recruitment, we essentially came up as quite a mess of a squad really.

Contracted to the club, we had two players of good Premiership quality, maybe 4/5 that should be useful within a squad at this level and one or two promising kids. And that was literally it. That scale of rebuild is pretty unprecedented.

Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #371 on: March 10, 2020, 12:12:08 PM »
I donít think it was so much ignoring aspects of the market, itís being limited in what we were able to spend. This is why we spent so little in January despite three major injuries, and there are still championship clubs screeching about our spend from last year.

We had to quickly assemble a squad and we know that three of the main summer targets that Smith wanted we were quoted big money for. So they took a gamble on a lot of these players, most of whom will probably go on to have decent careers much like Traore, Vertout, Gaye etc. Chucking them all in at once and hoping everything would work out ok was the problem.

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #372 on: March 10, 2020, 03:57:33 PM »
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

After last night this has obviously changed......

Matches   Position
4              20th (We have 0 points and Bournemouth - 1 point, Norwich, Southampton, West Ham, Brighton - 3 points, the teams above)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

So basically, whilst the only change is the 4 match streak, it really isn't good viewing. We're in the shit on recent form is the takeaway fact.

Offline Vill I An

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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #373 on: March 10, 2020, 04:04:06 PM »
Contracted to the club, we had two players of good Premiership quality, maybe 4/5 that should be useful within a squad at this level and one or two promising kids. And that was literally it. That scale of rebuild is pretty unprecedented.

Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.

I like what Sheffield Utd have done.
And they have players of John Lundstrum and John Fleck. Who may not have been suggested as premier league players but have done very well
Players that fit the mould.
Villa were making deals with idea to protect financier and put out some clever marketing with signing the Brazilians.
When  some were risks all ends up with nothing outfield proven coming in till January.


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Re: Relegation Watch
« Reply #374 on: March 10, 2020, 04:39:59 PM »
Last night was yet another example of just how poor our players are, compared to the standard in the Prem. Wayward passes, dreadful control and hesitancy in movement were all there for all to see. It was the same at Saints and Bournemouth; we lack the most basic requirements of players to compete at this level. Thatís why we will drop like a stone.

 


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