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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #150 on: January 28, 2020, 04:38:11 PM »
it might be an age thing as atal says as Iíve never never considered Leicester to be a bigger Club than Sunderland for one nano second no matter what division they are in

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #151 on: January 28, 2020, 04:41:06 PM »
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.

We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?

To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.

Your perception is wrong then.

Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success  and are now very rich.

Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).

Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #152 on: January 28, 2020, 04:42:11 PM »
This is the first time, in my supporting history, we are the under dogs in a League Cup semi final since Manu in 1970.
the first leg of which we drew 1-1 away.
We lost to Everton at this stage when we were underdogs, mid 80ís? Canít remember exactly.
2-1 tonight please like 1970

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #153 on: January 28, 2020, 04:44:07 PM »
Ndidi being fit for them is annoying, out till mid February they said.

I don't see us progressing but hopefully we make a game of it.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2020, 04:52:47 PM »
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.

We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?

To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.

Your perception is wrong then.

Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success  and are now very rich.

Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).

Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.

Given the Blues have won the League Cup in the last 10 years and we haven't, by your logic would they be viewed as a bigger club now?

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #155 on: January 28, 2020, 04:58:55 PM »
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.

We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?

To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.

Your perception is wrong then.

Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success  and are now very rich.

Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).

Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.

Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #156 on: January 28, 2020, 05:00:54 PM »
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.

We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?

To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.

Your perception is wrong then.

Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success  and are now very rich.

Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).

Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.

Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.

bigger than Leicester

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2020, 05:15:34 PM »
Leicester are looking to finish in the top 6 for the second time in 50 years. It's hardly "continuing to compete with the best in the country".

Bigger than us Leicester are in their first semi final since playing us in 2000. We're in our 7th since then.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2020, 05:16:37 PM »
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.

We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?

To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.

Your perception is wrong then.

Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success  and are now very rich.

Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).

Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.

Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.

That's all you could pick out of my post? I guess it proves you're wrong.

Leicester's average attendance is about 32k now. Our average was about that when we were in the Championship. Our average attendance has NEVER been lower than theirs.


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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2020, 05:19:23 PM »
Leicester are looking to finish in the top 6 for the second time in 50 years. It's hardly "continuing to compete with the best in the country".

Bigger than us Leicester are in their first semi final since playing us in 2000. We're in our 7th since then.

Well said PWS! It's my 50th birthday today, make it a good one Villa!


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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #160 on: January 28, 2020, 05:22:29 PM »
Your assertion is redundant at best. We might not like it, but people don't tend to look back 40 years or more to decide what a big club looks like. Leicester are a lot more successful than us in the current era, they have won a major trophy in the last five years and continue to compete with the best teams in the country. By contrast we haven't won a domestic trophy in almost 24 years and even in that era where we won 2 League Cups, so did Leicester.

We've just spent 3 seasons in the Championship and almost faced financial ruin which would have destroyed the club. We're currently mired in a relegation battle. 'They'll never be a bigger club' is redundant at best because it's all relative to perception: at VP in December they sang "Premier League champions, you'll never sing that" so we volleyed back "Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that". Sadly for us, the former is probably true. Sadly for them, the latter is probably true. They'll contend they're bigger than us having recently won the domestic league which is anyway the best league in the world to hear it told by the media and most British supporters. They're wrong, of course, and we know that, but would a majority of football fans agree?

To highlight that point, I used Sunderland as an illustration. Originally one of the biggest clubs in the country. Won 6 titles early doors and dominated the North East, and elsewhere, for a few years. Outside Sunderland, who on earth cares? A bit like ourselves they've not won a major competition in a long long time. On paper they're historically bigger than Leicester but what difference does that make now? None at all.

Your perception is wrong then.

Everyone still talks about Villa as being a 'big club'. That ManCity (6 League, 6 FA Cup, 6 League Cup) and Chelsea (6 League, 8 FA Cup, 5 League Cup, 1 Champions League, 2 UEFA Cup 2 Cup Winners' Cup) are viewed that way is because they've had a lot of sustained success  and are now very rich.

Everton (9 League, 5 FA Cup, 1 Cup Winners' Cup) are still viewed a big club, and when did they last win anything? Sunderland (6 League, 2 FA Cup) are too, as are Newcastle (4 league wins, 6 FA Cups, 1 Fairs Cup) and Leeds (3 League, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 2 Fairs Cup), Sheffield Wednesday (4 League, 3 FA Cup, 1 League Cup). The key thing is that they are all big clubs in big cities with sustained success, crowds and history. I've not even mentioned Man Utd, Liverpool or Arsenal (because to be honest it's a bit depressing).

Leicester just don't have the history or any period of sustained success, ever. They've won the league once and the league cup three times in their history. That's it.

Sheffield Wednesday are still a big club... Jesus Christ I've heard it all now.

That's all you could pick out of my post? I guess it proves you're wrong.

Leicester's average attendance is about 32k now. Our average was about that when we were in the Championship. Our average attendance has NEVER been lower than theirs.



I'm working now so I didn't have time to pick out every incorrect assertion in your post. But I'll say this - I've lived in the North East and attended away games at the Stadium of Light. Sunderland are not a big club now, and outside of their own fan base, I don't think you'd find a majority who would agree with you.

And re: Leicester's average attendance - 32,243 is the full capacity of their stadium FFS. They'll expand or move to a bigger home before too long, just as Spurs have done. Doesn't make them a small club.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #161 on: January 28, 2020, 05:24:36 PM »
My last word on this and any other subject for tonight:




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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #162 on: January 28, 2020, 05:26:08 PM »
Sunderland are wank this season, and still averaging 10k more than Leicester did when they strolled to the div 3 title in 2009.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #163 on: January 28, 2020, 05:33:10 PM »
As things stand, Leicester have finish top 6 the same number of times as Bury. Big club my arse.

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Re: Aston Villa vs Leicester City pre-match thread
« Reply #164 on: January 28, 2020, 05:50:20 PM »
Can you imagine Twitter in 1982 or 1994?

"I'm not going, we'll get hammered"

Come on boys!

 


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