Louie Barry (on loan to Sheffield United)

[dave.woodhall]

Would it be too much to debate Louie Barry on the Louie Barry thread rather than turn it into another place where Cameron Archer is talked about endlessly?

[edgysatsuma89]

To be honest, I'm looking forward to discussing Cameron Archer in the Champions League Final thread in a couple of seasons. He'll be at Norwich but still...

[Dante Lavelli]

I like Archer because he looks like a natural finisher, and that is pretty rare.

I agree though Ings was also a natural finisher but needed to do more…I expect Can to score goals at Sheff U but intrigued to see how rest of his game develops… there will be games they can’t pair him with mcburbie and those are the games to watch as Ollie needs competition who can do the same job he does.

I agree.  Based on finishing alone I’d say Archer is already at the level we need him to be.  It’s the rest of his game that Emery will be hoping improves whilst at Sheffield Utd.  As Ings discovered players need to be complete players nowadays otherwise you’re more likely to be a super sub than a starter.

[LeeB]

I don't get the 'moody competition winner' comment either, he's one of the most visibly enthusiastic players I've ever seen.

[Drummond]

I'm hoping this move is the one that enables Barry to flourish. He needs to kick on soon if he wants a career with us, otherwise he'll still net a few quid. To think we were wondering why we'd fork out £1m for him, when you see the prices young players are going for now, it seems we got a good deal.

[Nunkin1965]

I don't get the 'moody competition winner' comment either, he's one of the most visibly enthusiastic players I've ever seen.

Agree.
No need for that statement.

[pablo_picasso]

The problem for Archer & to a lesser extent Barry is that most teams don't play with 2 forwards. Whilst they may be goalscorers, to play as the central striker in almost every top team you need much more to your game than being able to finish.

Archer hasn't, yet, shown that he can play that role. Over the coming season we should find out.

Emery, having watched them all, obviously thinks Duran, as raw as he is, can currently play that central striker more so than Archer.

Louie Barry has been mostly playing out on the wide left forward role for the majority of his loans...

Archer last year played in spells all cross the front line, including the left sided attacking midfielder role.

Granted, he was better when played up top with Akpom sitting deeper behind him feeding through balls for him to run onto.

[Gareth]

I'm hoping this move is the one that enables Barry to flourish. He needs to kick on soon if he wants a career with us, otherwise he'll still net a few quid. To think we were wondering why we'd fork out £1m for him, when you see the prices young players are going for now, it seems we got a good deal.

Absolutely, he needs to fire at Stockport till Christmas and then be at League One challenger or Championship side till end of season

[OCD]

If he continues in this form for Stockport until Christmas, moving him to another club would be a big decision for the club and the lad to make.

[AV82EC]

If he continues in this form for Stockport until Christmas, moving him to another club would be a big decision for the club and the lad to make.

It’s the only way we’ll know what his level/potential is though and I’d venture absolutely standard practice for the club.

[Gareth]

If he continues in this form for Stockport until Christmas, moving him to another club would be a big decision for the club and the lad to make.

Not really, if he continues how he is it’s a no brainer to bring him back and send him higher up the leagues, preferably to a club who is in a position to spend 2nd half of season challenging for a promotion.

It’s all about developing the player, if Stockport get a few results out of having him that’s good but we won’t leave him there if he can go higher.

This is his first loan looking good…long may it continue

[pablo_picasso]

If he continues in this form for Stockport until Christmas, moving him to another club would be a big decision for the club and the lad to make.

Not really, if he continues how he is it’s a no brainer to bring him back and send him higher up the leagues, preferably to a club who is in a position to spend 2nd half of season challenging for a promotion.

It’s all about developing the player, if Stockport get a few results out of having him that’s good but we won’t leave him there if he can go higher.

This is his first loan looking good…long may it continue

Its the exact same way we developed Kesler-Hayden as soon as he showed that he was more than comfortable at that level.

Im actually quite surprised that we didnt do it with Finn Azaz though...

[Dave P]

Finn Azaz has moved up a level by staying at the same club which is probably the best of both worlds.

[pablo_picasso]

Finn Azaz has moved up a level by staying at the same club which is probably the best of both worlds.

Sorry, I should have said after the first successful six month period, similar to Kesler-Hayden & in the way we are mentioning potentially happening with Barry now he has finally found a footing.

Im delighted Azaz is at Plymouth though. As are all of the Argyle fans I know.

I am just surprised that when he was doing so well at Newport, we didn't move him up a level in the first Jan window, but Im sure the club had their reasons why...

[London Villan]

Finn Azaz is 23 - seems an odd one why we haven't sold him.