Louie Barry (on loan to Sheffield United)

[ChicagoLion]

I like Archer because he looks like a natural finisher, and that is pretty rare.

[pauliewalnuts]

The good news is, if he does prove to be a natural finisher at this level, we get him back.

[Dave P]

And this is about Barry, who has more 1st team goals at Villa Park then Archer.

[PaulWinch again]

problem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one

What nonsense. 

Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.

And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.

I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.

All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now

Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?

 for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.

We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.

Absolutely spot on. Also the number of people writing off Duran is just nuts - I can’t help but think for some it’s more about sadness/bitterness about Archer.

[Gareth]

I like Archer because he looks like a natural finisher, and that is pretty rare.

I agree though Ings was also a natural finisher but needed to do more…I expect Can to score goals at Sheff U but intrigued to see how rest of his game develops… there will be games they can’t pair him with mcburbie and those are the games to watch as Ollie needs competition who can do the same job he does.

[OCD]

Duran looks a lot more accomplished than most 19 year old forwards do. Emery expects a lot from young players before he'll start to include them and he's obviously got a lot of faith in him and I imagine has a fair idea of what he can become once he's more developed.

[VillaTim]

problem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one

What nonsense. 

Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.

And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.

I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.

All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now

Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?

 for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.

We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.

What nonsense
I don't rate archer because someone on here knows him, I rate him as it's clear he's better than Dhuran.
Let's see the comparative goal tallies as this plays out.

[PeterWithesShin]

Who is this Dhuran bloke being talked about?

[PaulWinch again]

Yes Archer is absolutely definitely better than the guy who is 3/4 years younger, who is new to a different country and culture, who is already a full international, and has scored 2 goals in 120 mins this season.

This isn’t about Cam, I hope he goes onto be brilliant and ends up back with us and scores loads. But the weird writing off of Duran, and overlaying it with Cam leaving - for £18m - is just daft.

[PeterWithesShin]

The age difference between is nearly bang on 2 years, Archer 9/12/01 vs JD 13/12/03. And yet people don't seem to compare the Archer of 2 years ago with Duran now which is a more accurate comparison. They compare a 21 year old with a 19 year old, and write off the 19 year old who is far better at 19 than Archer was.

[PaulWinch again]

Yep sorry 2 years - agree point still holds.

[john2710]

The problem for Archer & to a lesser extent Barry is that most teams don't play with 2 forwards. Whilst they may be goalscorers, to play as the central striker in almost every top team you need much more to your game than being able to finish.

Archer hasn't, yet, shown that he can play that role. Over the coming season we should find out.

Emery, having watched them all, obviously thinks Duran, as raw as he is, can currently play that central striker more so than Archer.

[pauliewalnuts]

problem is we let Archer go and replaced him with Dhuran who looks like a moody competition winner when he comes on. Bollock dropped on this one

What nonsense. 

Duran joined way before Archer left, and has managed to score twice already this season.

And to cover our arses, if the Blessed Cameron does well, we can get him back.

I do think that archer is talked up here really because one of us knows him.

All this bleating about him going but three managers haven’t fancied him now

Maybe, maybe he’s just not good enough?

 for all we know it might have been him telling the manager he wanted to move to get minutes, minutes we couldn’t promise him.

We now get to see what he can do elsewhere rather than him getting the odd minute here and there and otherwise sitting on our bench as he turns 23.

What nonsense
I don't rate archer because someone on here knows him, I rate him as it's clear he's better than Dhuran.
Let's see the comparative goal tallies as this plays out.

Let's look at the comparative goal tallies now, why not?

Given the one is the saintly home product and the other is the moody competition winner who has had way less game time. Surely that should be clear?

The highly trained people who run the club, who train with these guys every day, have decided it's the best move to shift Archer on with a buy back clause and see what he does.

On the basis of what I've seen, and what they're saying, I reckon that is the right way to go.

We got almost £20m for him, with a buy back clause.

How is that a 'bollock dropped' rather than a fucking masterstroke?

At some point he has to show he can do it regularly at this level. He's not going to get the chance with us, is he? Really?

[pauliewalnuts]

The age difference between is nearly bang on 2 years, Archer 9/12/01 vs JD 13/12/03. And yet people don't seem to compare the Archer of 2 years ago with Duran now which is a more accurate comparison. They compare a 21 year old with a 19 year old, and write off the 19 year old who is far better at 19 than Archer was.

Whilst doing it having moved halfway across the globe from his home, to a club where he's working in a foreign language, with all the challenges that brings rather than being at the club 2 miles down the road from home where you've been since you were six.

I hope Archer proves he can do it at Sheffield United and we buy him back and he scores sacks full of goals for us, but there has got to be some evidence for him to be able to do this.

Right now, Sheffield United have effectively played a fucking big bet with us that we'll turn out to be wrong.

[eamonn]

Cam's debut goal for t'Blades was the touch of a natural finisher. If he proves himself there and gets into double figures which I think is probable, it'd be great to have him back.