I get his point, I just don't agree with it. I don't see a big difference in reporting - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant to applaud player. As opposed to - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant at player. The intention isn't the problem with the above. I agree with itmustbe that the abuse Tammy received was worse, but let's not play down the indiscretions of our own idiots because other people have done worse and we're worried we'll be tarred with the same brush. Again, I understand you and itmustbe aren't trying to defend the chants, but there are no mitigating circumstances for racism, which at the end of the day is what it is. And I don't believe the twats singing this shit are so wet behind the ears that they don't realise it.
Quote from: Darth Villa on October 08, 2019, 04:53:03 PMI get his point, I just don't agree with it. I don't see a big difference in reporting - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant to applaud player. As opposed to - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant at player. The intention isn't the problem with the above. I agree with itmustbe that the abuse Tammy received was worse, but let's not play down the indiscretions of our own idiots because other people have done worse and we're worried we'll be tarred with the same brush. Again, I understand you and itmustbe aren't trying to defend the chants, but there are no mitigating circumstances for racism, which at the end of the day is what it is. And I don't believe the twats singing this shit are so wet behind the ears that they don't realise it. Definitely not making any mitigation for the chanting/song, at all. The twats are wrong, they know it, they shouldn't;t do it, and it is right to be reported. Its just that anyone reading the story in the press would assume it was abuse directed at our player a la Abraham by a minority of Chelsea fans, rather than an unfunny song with racist connotations sung by people who thought they were celebrating him. I think those two things are a bit different, but not justifiable either way.
Club stewards on the concourse sounds an excellent idea to me - they'll get to recognise the regulars, and be well equipped to defuse the situation. The "songs" are definitely racist, and definitely unacceptable. I'd be willing to accept they're not malicious, though, and would give the lads at fault a chance to redeem themselves. Any repetition though, and there should be swift action to make them realise it won't be tolerated.Totally understand folk not wanting to wade in to a potentially volatile situation and or themselves at risk. Massive respect to anyone who does, though, it's absolutely the right thing and done diplomatically would probably be the most effective.Out of interest - I've not been to that many games in the last few years cos of the distance + working away + young kids - is getting coked up at football a thing now (for more than the odd person)? Maybe I'm naive but I didn't notice it ~10 years back when i was going regularly ...
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on October 08, 2019, 11:05:51 AMI'm probably, just, short of being an "old head", but no way would I be wanting to challenge a group of twenty or thirty people. Good chance of a kicking at worst, and being made to feel very uncomfortable for the rest of the game at best. I don't see what the perpetrators being "kids" has to do with it. You're not going to take on thirty of them unless you're Rambo. In any case, while I wasn't at Carrow Road, I was at Crewe. And plenty of people older than me were singing the racist song about Konsa. So it isn't just kids that are the problem. I think these bellends know that what they're singing is offensive and are hoping somebody will challenge them as an excuse to have a go. I'm honestly not sure they do. Certanly the Konsa song, they think the reference to his knob size is a compliment. I suspect there's plenty of them who just don't think at all when it comes to songs like this.Hopefully the clubs stance will make it pretty clear and if the carry on a few bans will follow.
I'm probably, just, short of being an "old head", but no way would I be wanting to challenge a group of twenty or thirty people. Good chance of a kicking at worst, and being made to feel very uncomfortable for the rest of the game at best. I don't see what the perpetrators being "kids" has to do with it. You're not going to take on thirty of them unless you're Rambo. In any case, while I wasn't at Carrow Road, I was at Crewe. And plenty of people older than me were singing the racist song about Konsa. So it isn't just kids that are the problem. I think these bellends know that what they're singing is offensive and are hoping somebody will challenge them as an excuse to have a go.
Good news. The father of one of the twats has got in touch with The Punjabi Villains who have agreed to educate the young man.
Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
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