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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: exigo on October 06, 2019, 10:39:35 AM
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Nice to hear Wesley and Marvelous getting recognition for fine performances yesterday with new chants. And there was definitely a bit of traction behind Tyrone's 6'4" chant on the concourse as well.
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Your defence is terrified, 'cos Wesley's on fire
Ooh, La la la la la...
Du du du Marvelous Nakamba
Du du du Marvelous Nakamba
La la la la la la la la, la la
La la la la la la la la, la la
He's six foot four, he's in the air
He's here, he's there, he's everywhere
Tyrone Mings is Villa's centre half
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They were great.
Unlike the other one about Marv doing the rounds this morning. I was in the next part of the concourse when they started singing it. I don't like going to my seats too early but deceided to go up with my lad as that was getting louder.
Plus, when Konsa came on, his "song" seemed pretty loud from the away end with the majority seemingly happy wth it.
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The Wesley one was shocking. Very Wigan circa 2015.
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What was the Marvelous song that's doing the rounds? Obviously don't repeat it if offensive but was it another wihh racial undertones?
I rarely bother to go down at Half Time these days due to the moron minority on the concourse
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What was the Marvelous song that's doing the rounds? Obviously don't repeat it if offensive but was it another wihh racial undertones?
I rarely bother to go down at Half Time these days due to the moron minority on the concourse
Yep, the braindead section of our away support, ie the fake Burberry clad divs who make the away end concourses a horrible place to be with their chucking of beer about, were singing it. Twats. It's on Twitter unfortunately. Doesn't reflect well on the rest of us decent Villa fans. They've taken the racist Konsa song, and made it even more racist. I repeat, twats. Utter, utter twats.
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What was the Marvelous song that's doing the rounds? Obviously don't repeat it if offensive but was it another wihh racial undertones?
I rarely bother to go down at Half Time these days due to the moron minority on the concourse
Yep, the braindead section of our away support, ie the fake Burberry clad divs who make the away end concourses a horrible place to be with their chucking of beer about, were singing it. Twats. It's on Twitter unfortunately. Doesn't reflect well on the rest of us decent Villa fans. They've taken the racist Konsa song, and made it even more racist. I repeat, twats. Utter, utter twats.
Indeed, I imagine most of them are too brain-dead to understand why the bit about McGinn being his master is so offensive
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I've seen a video of the Nakamba song. It's fucking disgusting.
It shows an ignorance by some of our young fans, which is deeply disturbing.
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I've seen a video of the Nakamba song. It's fucking disgusting.
It shows an ignorance by some of our young fans, which is deeply disturbing.
100% my thoughts too
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Horrific!
If this is heard again can we try to stop it instead of walking away?
Not casting aspersions on anyone who did that because it can feel risky, especially if you are with children too risky, but we can draw stewards attention to it if nothing else.
This is clearly a racist chant, there’s no room for manoeuvre or argument. Racist chanting is expressly forbidden by ground regs so we have clear grounds to ask stewards to assist.
If we are not prepared to try & get our own supporters to stop or be thrown out for this, then we will all have to live with this reputation.
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Just say "no" to brain-dead arseholes.
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We need to do something as a fan base to stop this. The Konsa song needs to stop as it is clearly encouraging some arseholes to come up with even more offensive crap.
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It really is time to kick them out.
No second chances. Permanent bans. Let it be known.
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There were some pissed up idiots doing it on the train from NewStreet last week, it really is sickening.
I am sure the club will want to stop this crap.
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Little Stone Island wanker wannabes who think it is funny and “bantz”.
Club need to look at banning them.
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I've seen a video of the Nakamba song. It's fucking disgusting.
It shows an ignorance by some of our young fans, which is deeply disturbing.
Absolute fucking pond life.
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Ban for them all
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I think a Ban isn't the way forward, they're probably young and a bit poorly educated, they will still be out in society.I think it may have been Chelsea who sent some fans found for racism on a educational course. Maybe this is the way forward.
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The way forward is to take away their booze/drug fueled away games and remove the embarrassment from the club and the majority of decent fans. These aren't little kids, they're young adults.
Name, shame, ban.
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I’d definitely opt for some anti-racism education alongside a short ban to reinforce it.
It’s astounding how many people responding on Twitter & Facebook cannot see the racism in this and are saying stuff like ‘people are just looking for stuff to be offended about these days’.
It’s quite difficult to know how harsh to be on people who are this genuinely stupid.
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I’d definitely opt for some anti-racism education alongside a short ban to reinforce it.
It’s astounding how many people responding on Twitter & Facebook cannot see the racism in this and are saying stuff like ‘people are just looking for stuff to be offended about these days’.
It’s quite difficult to know how harsh to be on people who are this genuinely stupid.
Exactly. Name, shame, educate and ban!
On a side note, players look at social media all the time. As well as Marvellous, imagine what the fuck John McGinn thinks being part of that chant. Such a shame that yesterday was brilliant on the pitch but now the focus is on these fucking cavemen.
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The club can't enforce any sort of education though, the only thing they have in their power is to ban the scumbags.
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The club can't enforce any sort of education though, the only thing they have in their power is to ban the scumbags.
How about banning them, but lifting the ban on the condition that they do the education
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The club can't enforce any sort of education though, the only thing they have in their power is to ban the scumbags.
I’d disagree on that Risso, part of the requirement to lift the ban would be to attend some education classes on racism.
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Horrific!
If this is heard again can we try to stop it instead of walking away?
Not casting aspersions on anyone who did that because it can feel risky, especially if you are with children too risky, but we can draw stewards attention to it if nothing else.
This is clearly a racist chant, there’s no room for manoeuvre or argument. Racist chanting is expressly forbidden by ground regs so we have clear grounds to ask stewards to assist.
If we are not prepared to try & get our own supporters to stop or be thrown out for this, then we will all have to live with this reputation.
Was just saying the same on the Marvelous thread Amfy. Can we engage with the club directly on this and how quickly, it needs addressing urgently. Any planned fan’s forum?
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The problem is this 'wannabe' football hooligan culture, it's the same at most clubs. Some of the proper old school football lads wouldn't take too kindly to these chants that is for sure!!
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There's a hardcore of absolute scrotes at every away match. A group of about (I'd guess) 30 or so arseholes, always congregate outside one of the kiosks in a big mosh pit, jumping around, not caring if there are old or young people they bash into, chucking beer about, and as we've seen, singing really objectionable songs. The sort of twats who then spend the entire match offering out the home supporters. I love away days, but always try to arrive at the game no sooner than 10 minutes before kick off, and then don't go to the kiosks at half time, as it's even more unpleasant an experience for a youngster like my son.
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Pathetic behaviour
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My lad is too young to take to away games but always asks what the songs are and what they mean at home games.
How are you meant to explain these FFS?
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The racist chanting goes nicely with the toilet smoking and coke snorting en masse that makes a section of our away support so endearing.
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When I heard it I was disgusted why do these young people have this attitude of singing racists songs at our club and with the video doing the rounds on social media the club will take a look I should imagine.
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I havn't heard the words properly and hopefully i never will because it's been brought to the clubs attention by the AVST and social media in general. A strong statement from thr club stressing we support the "kick it out" campaign and if these idiots get identified the will be banned from all Villa games for a very long time.
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we were on the concourse at the far end (near the seats around number 60) and we could not really hear it that well (thankfully) and like most on here we stay out of the way of these wasters at the ground and at any pub that is "full of Villa"
Some of our away support is incredibly embarrassing.
UTV
The Doc
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I'd go along with a ban and it being lifted if they undertake appropriate awareness training. It brings huge shame on the club, so needs stamping out.
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I've seen the video clip. It is shocking - Worse than any other controversial chant that has been talked about in recent years.
I'm convinced it has simply come from the small group (of around 10ish) kids who were shown on the clip. I think there is absolutely no chance of this chant spreading, especially as the other one seems to have grown legs.
There is a strong chance that one of those disgusting kids has read this thread by now or at least been told about it. Hopefully, that will be enough to make them think very carefully before singing it again. However, if it does rear its ugly head, I would urge anyone within the vicinity to intervene. I know I certainly will. You don't have to be confrontational or aggressive (although I know of people who travel away who could well be in any case). Just a friendly low key bit of advice won't harm and the more people who do so, the more likely it is that the penny will drop.
As for a ban - Yes a good idea and with regards awareness training, although the club have no power, they could certainly implement it as a condition of the ban ending. The culprits would naturally have to foot the bill of any such course.
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I would get those kids to go and put them one at a time to sing the song to the players in the changing room.
Then I would ask them to explain the words to the players in question.
This would be followed by a 2000 word essay on 'Why racism isn't bantz'.
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I think a ban is right, even if it's only for a few games. We just need to nip it in the bud and these fans need to understand in no uncertain terms that it's just not acceptable. Hopefully a ban would hammer that home.
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I'm all for banning these idiots, can we do anything as a fan base though to stop it happening?
It's getting away with the Konsa chant that has led to this escalating into the crap heard on Saturday, and that one gets a regular airing in the Holte concourses (not so much in the stands I've noticed). As a group it might be easier if we can get everyone to respond by booing/jeering if we hear it starting up? It might at least make the idiots think twice.
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https://villatrust.org.uk/avst-statement/
AVST is disappointed to hear about the chanting directed towards Marvelous Nakamba at the Norwich game. It’s a cheap and insulting stereotype that has no place in this day and age.
Racist stereotypes are never acceptable. Hiding so-called support behind such words are reprehensible and are condemned by all decent Villa supporters.
We will be contacting the club regarding the issue and will be working closely with them to ensure that it is addressed swiftly.
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Good to see this statement out.
Just seen the video/chant - beyond belief. Is history no longer taught??
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/News/2019/10/07/club-statement-racism
Club statement: Response to racist chanting
Aston Villa is disgusted and appalled by footage circulating on social media of supporters chanting a racist song which makes reference to two of our first team players.
The club wholly condemns the chant and urges other supporters to help us identify those responsible.
Chants of this nature besmirch the good name of Aston Villa Football Club and our fans. If the perpetrators are identified they will be dealt with in the strongest manner by the club and be reported to the Police immediately.
Our security staff will be vigilant at forthcoming games to ensure that anybody attempting repetition of this chant will be dealt with severely.
We know we can rely on the assistance of the majority of our fans to eradicate this toxic behaviour immediately.
If anyone has any information please contact the club on 0121 327 2299.
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I guess with it being recorded and away tickets hard to come by these days and police surveillance, they'll be easy to track down.
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Good, strongly worded statement by the club. Leaves those arseholes in no doubt where they stand.
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Good, strongly worded statement by the club. Leaves those arseholes in no doubt where they stand.
Exactly. Whoever wrote it has my respect.
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Good, strongly worded statement by the club. Leaves those arseholes in no doubt where they stand.
Couldn't agree more.
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It appears the general Press is reporting it very well with emphasis on condemnation by both Villa fans and the Club being the headline.
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I just hope this covers the Konsa song too, this needs addressing properly, I’d suggest formal complaints to the club (whenever it’s heard) if it doesn’t cover that too.
Also grateful for a child friendly Mings chant, that I think from what someone said he’d be more comfortable with to.
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Half a dozen plain clothes police at future away games in the concourses would see an end to this after the first few were arrested.
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Good statement,needs sorting straight away
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Not such clever little brats now are they?
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Very pleased with the club for acting so swiftly and hopefully this behaviour can be nipped in the bud. What a shame that this is the situation just days after such a fantastic performance on Saturday.
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It's way more than a 'hardcore' of ten. There are hundreds of these pricks.
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It's way more than a 'hardcore' of ten. There are hundreds of these pricks.
Do you even go away?
100s would represent a large percentage of our away support.
There were around 10 singing it.
Our away support is fantastic, both in behaviour and in support for our team.
Why do people continually want to bash our support?
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It’s probably not hundreds, but there is a sizeable contingent of absolute bell ends who follow us away. A small minority perhaps, but they create enough of a problem with their words and actions that it’s worthy of mention.
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It’s probably not hundreds, but there is a sizeable contingent of absolute bell ends who follow us away. A small minority perhaps, but they create enough of a problem with their words and actions that it’s worthy of mention.
Yep, whereas 30 -40 years ago they’d be planning fights and aggro with the opposition, the testosterone has to go somewhere and that seems to be alcohol, drugs and being as an obnoxious a bellend as it’s possible to be and however much of a twat I am that will have no consequences. Well it’ll start to catch up with a few of them sooner than they think.
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It's way more than a 'hardcore' of ten. There are hundreds of these pricks.
Do you even go away?
100s would represent a large percentage of our away support.
There were around 10 singing it.
Our away support is fantastic, both in behaviour and in support for our team.
Why do people continually want to bash our support?
Yes, I do.
There are lots of Herberts.
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Such a shame. When Marvellous came over at the end, he had the biggest smile on his face as we sang his (Proper) song.
I'm sure the players will realise it's an idiotic minority.
What I would say, is the Konsa chant was pretty loud from the stands when he came on. So, that seems to have been widely accepted.
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What I would say, is the Konsa chant was pretty loud from the stands when he came on. So, that seems to have been widely accepted.
It shouldn't be accepted, particularly in light of what has transpired with the Nakamba song. The club as us as fans should be especially sensitive to language like in the Konsa song as it's quite clear for a group of our support their intentions aren't just harmless fun, it's actually quite sinister.
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Such a shame. When Marvellous came over at the end, he had the biggest smile on his face as we sang his (Proper) song.
I'm sure the players will realise it's an idiotic minority.
What I would say, is the Konsa chant was pretty loud from the stands when he came on. So, that seems to have been widely accepted.
The best one i've heard is (to the La Bamba theme) "Na na kamba,Na na Kamba, he is Marvelous, Nakambas his name"
If the morons start singing "that" other song the other 99% should drown the fekkers out.
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Whether it's 10, 30-40 or hundreds (which I personally doubt) one is too many. Get the ring leaders and the rest who are mere followers will fall away. The instigators should be easy to identify. Get their seat numbers and pass the info onto the club. They may even be catching Villa coaches to games. They will be regular attenders as away tickets are difficult to get (unless people with a good away record for tickets are passing on their tickets/references to undesirables. If this is the case this needs addressing also).
There are plenty of fans out there who would like the opportunity to attend away games and would be quite vocal in supporting the team and its players in the correct fashion. So let's get rid of these idiots asap!
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Good, strongly worded statement by the club. Leaves those arseholes in no doubt where they stand.
Couldn't agree more.
Agreed. Unlike the Trust's statement - "disappointed"?! Is that it?
The club got the right adjective - "disgusted".
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Good news.
The father of one of the twats has got in touch with The Punjabi Villains who have agreed to educate the young man.
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Just saw that, really hope it’s true.
Would love to see us set a good example to other clubs and deal with this properly, within the fan community as well as at club level.
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Just saw that, really hope it’s true.
Would love to see us set a good example to other clubs and deal with this properly, within the fan community as well as at club level.
I'd like to echo this.
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Good, strongly worded statement by the club. Leaves those arseholes in no doubt where they stand.
Couldn't agree more.
Agreed. Unlike the Trust's statement - "disappointed"?! Is that it?
The club got the right adjective - "disgusted".
Jonny Gould for the Trust hit exactly the right note on SSN when he condemned the chanting
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I think this is the way forward rather than just a Ban, they all look very young.
Well done to the lads father for taking those steps.
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Good, strongly worded statement by the club. Leaves those arseholes in no doubt where they stand.
Couldn't agree more.
Agreed. Unlike the Trust's statement - "disappointed"?! Is that it?
The club got the right adjective - "disgusted".
The Trust statement is awful:
"AVST is disappointed to hear about the chanting directed towards Marvelous Nakamba at the Norwich game. It’s a cheap and insulting stereotype that has no place in this day and age.
Racist stereotypes are never acceptable. Hiding so-called support behind such words are reprehensible and are condemned by all decent Villa supporters.
We will be contacting the club regarding the issue and will be working closely with them to ensure that it is addressed swiftly."
It reads like they've only heard the bit that's also in the Konsa song. It's not just "a racist stereotype," the first two lines are out and out blatant racism.
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Good, strongly worded statement by the club. Leaves those arseholes in no doubt where they stand.
Couldn't agree more.
Agreed. Unlike the Trust's statement - "disappointed"?! Is that it?
The club got the right adjective - "disgusted".
The Trust statement is awful:
"AVST is disappointed to hear about the chanting directed towards Marvelous Nakamba at the Norwich game. It’s a cheap and insulting stereotype that has no place in this day and age.
Racist stereotypes are never acceptable. Hiding so-called support behind such words are reprehensible and are condemned by all decent Villa supporters.
We will be contacting the club regarding the issue and will be working closely with them to ensure that it is addressed swiftly."
It reads like they've only heard the bit that's also in the Konsa song. It's not just "a racist stereotype," the first two lines are out and out blatant racism.
I wouldn't describe it as 'chanting towards' Nakamba, either
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It strikes me there is a positive in all this, that by adding other stereotypes and ignorant/accidental/malicious slavery references in MN’s unpleasant chant we have a fighting chance of weeding out the Konsa tune too.
Might need a better tune developed by eg Brigada or some folk to displace it though realistically.
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The real story here is the 2600 singing his proper song after the 90 with Nkamba tapping the badge and looking proud as anybody.
These cocks will hopefully be dealt with. Good statement from the club.
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It strikes me there is a positive in all this, that by adding other stereotypes and ignorant/accidental/malicious slavery references in MN’s unpleasant chant we have a fighting chance of weeding out the Konsa tune too.
Might need a better tune developed by eg Brigada or some folk to displace it though realistically.
I agree and if some are banned, it will certainly make others think twice before trying to be so "clever".
For me, this one was one step too far and could well be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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Even in my era which was years ago I am 59 years of age embarrassing.
Not sure that bans are warranted though and I draw my view from what goes amiss in the world like driving with a mobile, anti social behaviour outside of football and softly softly approach to other offences. I know what I consider worse.
Hope this does, however, deter any further smart arse behaviour by the 15 or so knobs on the concourse on Saturday.
And before any of us old ones get too pious remember the 70's and the likes of Albion away.
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I remember them and remember only racists joining in. Not everyone did. So I’ll be as pious as I like if you don’t mind.
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I think this is the way forward rather than just a Ban, they all look very young.
Well done to the lads father for taking those steps.
Is the arm round the shoulder going to cure them of all the other forms of disgusting behaviour, witnessed at these games?
Name, shame, ban.
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A well known local black author has sent me the messages he’s exchanged with one of the defenders of the ‘song’. Quite funny, must be a sobering experience.
A little excerpt:
“It’s like the world owes something to... blacks... coloured people... what am I allowed to call them?”
“Well young Chris, you can call me Mr Brown 😳”
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again. Everyone is very quick to criticise them and lay into them on the internet but not to their faces.
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I remember them and remember only racists joining in. Not everyone did. So I’ll be as pious as I like if you don’t mind.
X2. Racism in the seventies (not just the seventies to be clear) was horrendous. I used to look around me at the various people of different ethnicity and think what the hell have they done to deserve this? Players notwithstanding obviously. Terrible times, there was/is simply no excuse whatsoever. I never joined in and I'm proud to say neither did my match-going mates.
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again.
Yes, I'm sure a group of pissed up divs would have said "Oh yes actually, thanks for pointing out the error of our ways old bean. Julian, let's pack it in, eh?"
These are a large group of very aggressive, pissed and probably coke fuelled arseholes, who don't give a toss about anybody near them, and who probably wouldn't think twice about giving somebody a good kicking for trying to interrupt their "fun".
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The "master" line is new, I heard a version of the song on the concourse at Arsenal pre-game with "he eats his pasta" instead.
It wasn't being sung by 16 year olds , the group I heard singing it were at least 30.
Clearly the recent singers found what they thought was a better rhyme, I doubt they actually understood why it's offensive. Obviously they should but they aren't the type who looked like they paid a lot of attention at school, given they think the other lines of the song are somehow a compliment to his manhood.
I hate both the song and the rest of the cretinous behaviour on the concourse as kick off nears, and I like the idea of self-policing in theory, but although I'm a big bloke it's pretty obvious what the result would have been had someone like me tapped that group on the shoulder and suggested they refrain from their behaviour. Seen plenty occasions of Villa fighting Villa drunkenly over the years. However I'd like to think that if others took up the cudgels then I'd back them up and hope it becomes generally the done thing.
For me travelling stewards with a big presence on the concourse is the way to self police this.
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again.
Yes, I'm sure a group of pissed up divs would have said "Oh yes actually, thanks for pointing out the error of our ways old bean. Julian, let's pack it in, eh?"
These are a large group of very aggressive, pissed and probably coke fuelled arseholes, who don't give a toss about anybody near them, and who probably wouldn't think twice about giving somebody a good kicking for trying to interrupt their "fun".
They were a bunch of kids and I can guarantee they're all front and would have shit themselves if some old head had told them to shut up and that it was out of order. Back in the day the older lads would have stopped that shit there and then but we now live in a society where people film things and then complain about them later.
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again.
Yes, I'm sure a group of pissed up divs would have said "Oh yes actually, thanks for pointing out the error of our ways old bean. Julian, let's pack it in, eh?"
These are a large group of very aggressive, pissed and probably coke fuelled arseholes, who don't give a toss about anybody near them, and who probably wouldn't think twice about giving somebody a good kicking for trying to interrupt their "fun".
You beat me to it. I don't blame anyone for being intimidated in those circumstances, you never know what the response will be or who'll back you up in the heat of the moment. You're more likely to get your face smashed in. I applaud everyone who's condemned these idiots on social media, it's the size and weight of that outrage that leads to strong action and shows our fans in their true light.
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again.
Yes, I'm sure a group of pissed up divs would have said "Oh yes actually, thanks for pointing out the error of our ways old bean. Julian, let's pack it in, eh?"
These are a large group of very aggressive, pissed and probably coke fuelled arseholes, who don't give a toss about anybody near them, and who probably wouldn't think twice about giving somebody a good kicking for trying to interrupt their "fun".
You beat me to it. I don't blame anyone for being intimidated in those circumstances, you never know what the response will be or who'll back you up in the heat of the moment. You're more likely to get your face smashed in. I applaud everyone who's condemned these idiots on social media, it's the size and weight of that outrage that leads to strong action and shows our fans in their true light.
Agreed. You just don't know what these twats are carrying or how they're going to react.
Best left to the police or security or anyone that has the stomach for a fight. Because that's what'll no doubt end up happening.
Quinton Villa, you're welcome to try your luck with them if it happens again. Please let us know how you get on.
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For me travelling stewards with a big presence on the concourse is the way to self police this.
Good idea.
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again.
Yes, I'm sure a group of pissed up divs would have said "Oh yes actually, thanks for pointing out the error of our ways old bean. Julian, let's pack it in, eh?"
These are a large group of very aggressive, pissed and probably coke fuelled arseholes, who don't give a toss about anybody near them, and who probably wouldn't think twice about giving somebody a good kicking for trying to interrupt their "fun".
They were a bunch of kids and I can guarantee they're all front and would have shit themselves if some old head had told them to shut up and that it was out of order. Back in the day the older lads would have stopped that shit there and then but we now live in a society where people film things and then complain about them later.
Rubbish, you can't guarantee that at all. There's as much chance they'll punch that old head, and then everyone gets involved and suddenly the story is Villa fans fighting each other. Piling in isn't often the best choice of action. We now live in a society where people filming things shows exactly why that's the case.
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I would happily have said something - It's not the way I'm made to ignore that.
That doesn't mean to say I'd go in guns blazing I'd simply put my opinion across in a diplomatic way. I'd put emphasis on the "we're all Villa" slant rather than the "shut the fuck up" approach. I'm comfortable speaking to any Villa fans (I've spoken with enough over the years) to know when a situation is volatile or not.
Most of the in fighting starts between pro and anti team/manager comments, usually when we're losing and everyone is frustrated.
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It's a fine thing for fans to be self policing but at 65 and 66 years of age I don't think there's much chance of my mate and I getting very far with the 30 or so pissed up teenagers who do what they do every away game.
Accompanying Villa stewards who get to know the regular away fans sounds like a darn fine plan!
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I'm probably, just, short of being an "old head", but no way would I be wanting to challenge a group of twenty or thirty people. Good chance of a kicking at worst, and being made to feel very uncomfortable for the rest of the game at best. I don't see what the perpetrators being "kids" has to do with it. You're not going to take on thirty of them unless you're Rambo.
In any case, while I wasn't at Carrow Road, I was at Crewe. And plenty of people older than me were singing the racist song about Konsa. So it isn't just kids that are the problem.
I think these bellends know that what they're singing is offensive and are hoping somebody will challenge them as an excuse to have a go.
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I'm probably, just, short of being an "old head", but no way would I be wanting to challenge a group of twenty or thirty people. Good chance of a kicking at worst, and being made to feel very uncomfortable for the rest of the game at best. I don't see what the perpetrators being "kids" has to do with it. You're not going to take on thirty of them unless you're Rambo.
In any case, while I wasn't at Carrow Road, I was at Crewe. And plenty of people older than me were singing the racist song about Konsa. So it isn't just kids that are the problem.
I think these bellends know that what they're singing is offensive and are hoping somebody will challenge them as an excuse to have a go.
I'm honestly not sure they do. Certanly the Konsa song, they think the reference to his knob size is a compliment. I suspect there's plenty of them who just don't think at all when it comes to songs like this.
Hopefully the clubs stance will make it pretty clear and if the carry on a few bans will follow.
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I'm probably, just, short of being an "old head", but no way would I be wanting to challenge a group of twenty or thirty people. Good chance of a kicking at worst, and being made to feel very uncomfortable for the rest of the game at best.
Important point given that one of our 'fans' slashed another fan across the face after a coach returned to Brum following an away game last season.
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FFS.
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People need to remember that this is inside the ground - The area will be heavily CCTV'd. Nobody is going to get "a good kicking" and any confrontation would be quickly dealt with by stewards and/or police.
It is no problem if anyone doesn't want to intervene - That is their prerogative. However, those who think it right to do so also have the same prerogative to do so.
I believe that I have the communication skills to speak to that group without things turning nasty - If I thought I was exposing myself to the risk of being slashed across the face or a good kicking, I would think twice (or more likely, not bother).
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Its disgusting and i hope with the amount of publicity those "songs" are not heard again
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I think anyone on here who partakes in chant is now aware it's unsavory and they can also help to stop it .And that can only be a good thing .
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again. Everyone is very quick to criticise them and lay into them on the internet but not to their faces.
Are you suggesting that those who were not at Carrow Road should not speak out about it?
Yes, well next time you hear them sing it at an away game, do what you have just suggested and let us know how you get on.
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again. Everyone is very quick to criticise them and lay into them on the internet but not to their faces.
Yes, well next time you hear them sing it at an away game, do what you have just suggested and let us know how you get on.
Will do mate
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again. Everyone is very quick to criticise them and lay into them on the internet but not to their faces.
Yes, well next time you hear them sing it at an away game, do what you have just suggested and let us know how you get on.
Will do mate
Yeah, I'm sure you will.
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Totally agree with the majority of comments & courses of action on here. We have already seen & can relate our own problems to that witnessed at Chelsea & Tammy in particular. He has risen to the sickening abuse by their scum element by doing what he did for us last season, scoring for fun !
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Everyone has condemned the chant and rightly so but what I don't understand is I've seen loads of people say "I saw these lads singing this". So why did nobody tell them to stop? All it would have taken is one geezer to tell them to stop or to shut up a d they would have and wouldn't have done it again. Everyone is very quick to criticise them and lay into them on the internet but not to their faces.
Yes, well next time you hear them sing it at an away game, do what you have just suggested and let us know how you get on.
Will do mate
Yeah, I'm sure you will.
Love you Clampet
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Lads, ssssh. This chap has just told us to stop singing it. Come on, let's go and get a pie and a bovril and take our seats.
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I don't want to condemn all youth of today but there is a theme with them.
I go to the local pub each Friday and walk through a gully that has been used as a hang out since I was a lad. More recently there are about 6-10 of them and you can smell the weed a mile off. I assumed they were around 18 -20 year olds and the mess they make with cans / broken bottles etc is awful. Anyways a week or so ago I am walking through when they were seemingly acting out fighting with each other. Usually (as I unfortunately look my age) they stop and move out of the way but this one week one of the muppets who I assumed was 18-19 and clearly off his head in his top to toe North face track suit gave it the "What you looking at you cnut" to which his "mates" said sorry and told him to shut up. He then spat at the floor as I walked past and really tried to goad me. Now anyone who knows me knows that im a decent size and would never back away from anyone but I had this thought in my mind - what if they have knives etc and just ignored it. I got to the pub and was seething both due to their arrogance and my not turning and smacking the twat as under normal circumstances I would of.
Next day I return home after a round of golf and the kid walks past me on his own and it is obvious in daylight he is more around 15/16. I get out the car as I was to say something to him and he shit himself and ran for it. Could you imagine the crap I would have been in if I had smacked the scrote?
They did something similar to a neighbour and they called the police and they knew all bout this "gang" but seemingly not done anything.
My point is that these bellends think that they have impunity to do what the hell they want - maybe a good hiding is really the only answer
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Well I would not like to confront a group of pissed up youths singing hateful songs and I don't think my wife and children would appreciate it either. If you can not report it or discuss it here afterwards this behaviour will not stop. I'm sure the outrage it has caused on here, other forums and Twitter is the reason it has been condemned by the Club and hopefully help put an end to it.
Anyway to bloody right they are being criticised on nearly every platform going. For a change the power of the 'net' has done very well indeed.
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One thing I don’t like is the way it’s being reported - it is universally being reported that Villa fans sang racist songs directed AT their own player - this reads more like the abuse Tammy got from Chelsea fans earlier , and I think that’s misleading .
We all agree it’s wrong and we all rightly condemn it , but I don’t want us tarred with the same brush as what happened with Tammy . In their VERY misguided way these fans thought they were celebrating Nakamba not abusing him . They were very wrong but in my opinion it’s not quite the same as the tweets Tammy got which were intentionally abusive and designed to be hurtful
Note - I’m not making excuses for the dickheads , just think the reporting isn’t quite accurate
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One thing I don’t like is the way it’s being reported - it is universally being reported that Villa fans sang racist songs directed AT their own player - this reads more like the abuse Tammy got from Chelsea fans earlier , and I think that’s misleading .
We all agree it’s wrong and we all rightly condemn it , but I don’t want us tarred with the same brush as what happened with Tammy . In their VERY misguided way these fans thought they were celebrating Nakamba not abusing him . They were very wrong but in my opinion it’s not quite the same as the tweets Tammy got which were intentionally abusive and designed to be hurtful
Note - I’m not making excuses for the dickheads , just think the reporting isn’t quite accurate
I appreciate you're trying not to make excuses but sorry, you are. And it's a very poor excuse. It’s racist, they know it’s racist and they think it’s funny. The chant is abusive, and directly abusing Nakamba, would they sing this if he was white? Describing it as misguided provides a defence for which there is none.
There are no excuses for this behaviour, someone else posted that the real story was 2600 fans celebrating Nakamba with a proper song… “the real story" pfft… 2600 people behaving properly isn’t a story. The poster rightfully condemned the chants but there’s definitely a small sense of, it’s just a small minority/let’s not let this spoil our reputation.
Unfortunately no matter how small a percentage of our following these morons are we still have a group of who appear to think this is funny, clever and acceptable. Thirty people walking down the street singing racist shit on any other day would be quite rightly shocking news. Putting them into a football setting does not mitigate that. I don’t go away that often, maybe just a few times a season but over the last few years I’ve noticed an increase in number of these twats and they aren’t all kids. I think our support both home and away is brilliant. Pointing out we have an issue with a small group isn’t knocking that majority.
The club statement is well worded and hits the tone just right. I don’t know what how they plan to follow through on it but I hope it’s not going to purely rely on decent fans to solve the problem. As has been pointed out, pissed up, drugged up morons with safety in numbers are not rational people to deal with, regardless of CCTV and stewards.
Personally I’d like to see us be very open and public about the issue, let’s have the playing staff speak out about it, let’s have DS address it in his next presser. Let’s make sure this minority know they are not welcome. There’s no easy solution and it’s root causes go beyond football, but I’d like to see the club try. Let’s be the club that sets an example on an issue that to be honest has never been properly addressed within football. I think that would be much more of a Villa response.
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One thing I don’t like is the way it’s being reported - it is universally being reported that Villa fans sang racist songs directed AT their own player - this reads more like the abuse Tammy got from Chelsea fans earlier , and I think that’s misleading .
We all agree it’s wrong and we all rightly condemn it , but I don’t want us tarred with the same brush as what happened with Tammy . In their VERY misguided way these fans thought they were celebrating Nakamba not abusing him . They were very wrong but in my opinion it’s not quite the same as the tweets Tammy got which were intentionally abusive and designed to be hurtful
Note - I’m not making excuses for the dickheads , just think the reporting isn’t quite accurate
I appreciate you're trying not to make excuses but sorry, you are. And it's a very poor excuse. It’s racist, they know it’s racist and they think it’s funny. The chant is abusive, and directly abusing Nakamba, would they sing this if he was white? Describing it as misguided provides a defence for which there is none.
There are no excuses for this behaviour, someone else posted that the real story was 2600 fans celebrating Nakamba with a proper song… “the real story" pfft… 2600 people behaving properly isn’t a story. The poster rightfully condemned the chants but there’s definitely a small sense of, it’s just a small minority/let’s not let this spoil our reputation.
Unfortunately no matter how small a percentage of our following these morons are we still have a group of who appear to think this is funny, clever and acceptable. Thirty people walking down the street singing racist shit on any other day would be quite rightly shocking news. Putting them into a football setting does not mitigate that. I don’t go away that often, maybe just a few times a season but over the last few years I’ve noticed an increase in number of these twats and they aren’t all kids. I think our support both home and away is brilliant. Pointing out we have an issue with a small group isn’t knocking that majority.
The club statement is well worded and hits the tone just right. I don’t know what how they plan to follow through on it but I hope it’s not going to purely rely on decent fans to solve the problem. As has been pointed out, pissed up, drugged up morons with safety in numbers are not rational people to deal with, regardless of CCTV and stewards.
Personally I’d like to see us be very open and public about the issue, let’s have the playing staff speak out about it, let’s have DS address it in his next presser. Let’s make sure this minority know they are not welcome. There’s no easy solution and it’s root causes go beyond football, but I’d like to see the club try. Let’s be the club that sets an example on an issue that to be honest has never been properly addressed within football. I think that would be much more of a Villa response.
The point itmusbe makes about the reporting of this is a valid one in my view. Marvelous will not have heard this chant allegedly "supporting" him because it's been done away from the pitch as far as i know. But he will definitely be aware of it now. What must he be thinking? The best we can do now is make a massive fuss of him when we play Brighton. We love him and he needs to know it. I'm talking massive banners-the lot.
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To be honest, if i was manager, I'd call them out for what they are. No hiding behind media-speak.
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I get his point, I just don't agree with it. I don't see a big difference in reporting - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant to applaud player. As opposed to - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant at player.
The intention isn't the problem with the above.
I agree with itmustbe that the abuse Tammy received was worse, but let's not play down the indiscretions of our own idiots because other people have done worse and we're worried we'll be tarred with the same brush.
Again, I understand you and itmustbe aren't trying to defend the chants, but there are no mitigating circumstances for racism, which at the end of the day is what it is. And I don't believe the twats singing this shit are so wet behind the ears that they don't realise it.
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I get his point, I just don't agree with it. I don't see a big difference in reporting - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant to applaud player. As opposed to - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant at player.
The intention isn't the problem with the above.
I agree with itmustbe that the abuse Tammy received was worse, but let's not play down the indiscretions of our own idiots because other people have done worse and we're worried we'll be tarred with the same brush.
Again, I understand you and itmustbe aren't trying to defend the chants, but there are no mitigating circumstances for racism, which at the end of the day is what it is. And I don't believe the twats singing this shit are so wet behind the ears that they don't realise it.
Definitely not making any mitigation for the chanting/song, at all. The twats are wrong, they know it, they shouldn't;t do it, and it is right to be reported.
Its just that anyone reading the story in the press would assume it was abuse directed at our player a la Abraham by a minority of Chelsea fans, rather than an unfunny song with racist connotations sung by people who thought they were celebrating him. I think those two things are a bit different, but not justifiable either way.
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I get his point, I just don't agree with it. I don't see a big difference in reporting - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant to applaud player. As opposed to - Minority of Aston Villa fans sing racist chant at player.
The intention isn't the problem with the above.
I agree with itmustbe that the abuse Tammy received was worse, but let's not play down the indiscretions of our own idiots because other people have done worse and we're worried we'll be tarred with the same brush.
Again, I understand you and itmustbe aren't trying to defend the chants, but there are no mitigating circumstances for racism, which at the end of the day is what it is. And I don't believe the twats singing this shit are so wet behind the ears that they don't realise it.
Definitely not making any mitigation for the chanting/song, at all. The twats are wrong, they know it, they shouldn't;t do it, and it is right to be reported.
Its just that anyone reading the story in the press would assume it was abuse directed at our player a la Abraham by a minority of Chelsea fans, rather than an unfunny song with racist connotations sung by people who thought they were celebrating him. I think those two things are a bit different, but not justifiable either way.
I agree with you.
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Club stewards on the concourse sounds an excellent idea to me - they'll get to recognise the regulars, and be well equipped to defuse the situation. The "songs" are definitely racist, and definitely unacceptable. I'd be willing to accept they're not malicious, though, and would give the lads at fault a chance to redeem themselves. Any repetition though, and there should be swift action to make them realise it won't be tolerated.
Totally understand folk not wanting to wade in to a potentially volatile situation and or themselves at risk. Massive respect to anyone who does, though, it's absolutely the right thing and done diplomatically would probably be the most effective.
Out of interest - I've not been to that many games in the last few years cos of the distance + working away + young kids - is getting coked up at football a thing now (for more than the odd person)? Maybe I'm naive but I didn't notice it ~10 years back when i was going regularly ...
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Club stewards on the concourse sounds an excellent idea to me - they'll get to recognise the regulars, and be well equipped to defuse the situation. The "songs" are definitely racist, and definitely unacceptable. I'd be willing to accept they're not malicious, though, and would give the lads at fault a chance to redeem themselves. Any repetition though, and there should be swift action to make them realise it won't be tolerated.
Totally understand folk not wanting to wade in to a potentially volatile situation and or themselves at risk. Massive respect to anyone who does, though, it's absolutely the right thing and done diplomatically would probably be the most effective.
Out of interest - I've not been to that many games in the last few years cos of the distance + working away + young kids - is getting coked up at football a thing now (for more than the odd person)? Maybe I'm naive but I didn't notice it ~10 years back when i was going regularly ...
It's a thing everywhere now I think. Only really noticeable when people who were bellends to begin with do it.
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I'm probably, just, short of being an "old head", but no way would I be wanting to challenge a group of twenty or thirty people. Good chance of a kicking at worst, and being made to feel very uncomfortable for the rest of the game at best. I don't see what the perpetrators being "kids" has to do with it. You're not going to take on thirty of them unless you're Rambo.
In any case, while I wasn't at Carrow Road, I was at Crewe. And plenty of people older than me were singing the racist song about Konsa. So it isn't just kids that are the problem.
I think these bellends know that what they're singing is offensive and are hoping somebody will challenge them as an excuse to have a go.
I'm honestly not sure they do. Certanly the Konsa song, they think the reference to his knob size is a compliment. I suspect there's plenty of them who just don't think at all when it comes to songs like this.
Hopefully the clubs stance will make it pretty clear and if the carry on a few bans will follow.
Weren't Man. United fans signing similar about Lukaku when he first joined? That quickly died down after the media started mentioning it so hopefully the same will happen here for both chants.
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I think Lukaku asked them to stop iirc.
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The thing with Konsa, at Crewe when Matty Tatgett was down getting treatment about 2 yards in front of the away end, the song was being song at him and he turned round, smiled and clapped. Maybe as a young man it appeals to his vanity, I don't know.
It's still weird singing about a blokes cock, even without the racial trope.
The Nkamaba song is vile, sung by ****** who whether they have ill intent or not, know exactly the connotations of their song. But it is a minority and in no way reflective of our away support.
The club have reacted well and the support has done similar. We wont hear this shite again.
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To the old Rafa Benitez tune/Pablo Hernandez tune that Leeds sing:
Wesley Moares
Wesley Moares
Oh Wesley Moares
Oh Wesley Moares
Jacky Grealish
Marvelous Nakamba
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Good news.
The father of one of the twats has got in touch with The Punjabi Villains who have agreed to educate the young man.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-fan-involved-racist-17198663
Aston Villa fan involved in racist Marvelous Nakamba chant taught valuable lesson by Punjabi Villans
An Aston Villa fan involved in a racist chant about Marvelous Nakamba reached out to a supporters’ group to understand the wider impact the lyrics had
05:30, 5 NOV 2019Updated08:59, 5 NOV 2019
An Aston Villa fan involved in a racist chant about Marvelous Nakamba reached out to a supporters’ group to understand the wider impact the lyrics had
An Aston Villa fan involved in a racist chant about Marvelous Nakamba reached out to a supporters’ group to understand the wider impact the lyrics had.
A small group of fans were filmed on October 5 singing an offensive chant that contained racial slurs after Villa’s 5-1 victory over Norwich.
Punjabi Villans
tweeted about the feeling of hurt it caused them as children of immigrants and offered to educate the people behind the chant.
One father got in touch with the group and said that his son wanted to discuss the issue and learn from his mistake and they met up on October 29.
(Image: Aston Villa FC via Getty Images)
Monnie Bhllar from the supporters’ group said: “We can only support this boy, he has put himself on the line and come forward, the only one out of 20 or so lads.
“We have no desire to chase anyone, the first step has to be from themselves.”
Punjabi Villans started seven years ago with the mission of sharing cultures and having fun at Villa Park.
Member Harjit Badasher, 47 said: “Our view on this is the education has to come first.
The group feel the teenager now knows how much these words can affect an entire community and think he should be allowed at Villa Park
“Let’s explain to them the meaning of the words and how they affect people of colour.”
According to Harjit, the teenager said they first heard the chant a week before in a game against Arsenal.
Harjit said: “The context of the words could be lost, especially on youngsters.
“They heard a song about a player they really loved and just continued it.
“These kids were just emulating other fans without thinking about the meaning of the words.”
In the meeting with the youngster. Punjabi Villans described racism from the point of view of a minority and spoke about the difficult times their parents and grandparents have been through in the UK.
The supporters’ group feel the teenager understood and now knows how much these words can affect an entire community and the discussion ended with handshakes and hugs.
Harjit said: “I see no reason why he shouldn’t be allowed back at Villa Park, he’s shown remorse and gone out of his way to listen to people.
“He’s come back and sent a really nice message saying he was happy with the response and the outcome effect it had.
“Through education they become champions of our message whereby if they hear people doing similar things they’ll call them out.”
Punjabi Villans think football clubs should explore similar methods of education and a softer approach in some instances but admit that some people can’t be helped
It may be intimidating standing near someone chanting racist things but you have to report it, says Harjit.
Punjabi Villans think football clubs should explore similar methods of education and a softer approach in some instances but admit that some people can’t be helped.
“Keyboard warriors are just blatantly wrong there’s no defence for these people,” said Harjit.
“Anonymity online helps people be more out of order in their actions.”
Monnie Bhllar said: “It doesn’t have to be a case of a blanket ban, there should be a level of communication.
“You have to deal with it case by case.”
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I bought a Saab from Neil Diamond on eBay.
Swede car online.........
/i'llgetmecoat
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Had the pleasure of meeting the Punjabi Villans at the play-off final. Top lads so no surprise they reached out.
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
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I wouldn't know. I'm not from North Birmingham.
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Edit: no longer makes sense as the post I was responding to has been deleted.
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
Really,? I go with my sister & son, so err it’s not!!!
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
With respect, that's absolute rubbish.
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
Yeh I suppose a bit of a laugh at the expense of poofters is ok as well. Soft fuckers. They’ve never had it so good. Thank fuck for the working class man and his sense of humour all wrapped up nicely by saying “no offence mate”.
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
And that's how it all starts...
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
With respect, that's absolute rubbish.
so the working man is not allowed a culture and identity due to your intoralent views.?
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Welcome back Jolly's Electrics
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
With respect, that's absolute rubbish.
so the working man is not allowed a culture and identity due to your intoralent views.?
Going to work and having a scrotum doesn't entitle anyone to be a ******.
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
With respect, that's absolute rubbish.
so the working man is not allowed a culture and identity due to your intoralent views.?
Going to work and having a scrotum doesn't entitle anyone to be a c***.
Haha. Well said, SE.
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
With respect, that's absolute rubbish.
so the working man is not allowed a culture and identity due to your intoralent views.?
None of us like you. Go away you sad bellend.
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Looking like he's banned...again.
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I reckon that's his fourth of fifth log in. What an empty little life he must have.
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Dont want to hear racist chants, but swearing, saying a few non pc things and talking about tits and women is what the working man does at football.
With respect, that's absolute rubbish.
so the working man is not allowed a culture and identity due to your intoralent views.?
None of us like you. Go away you sad bellend.
What an absolute knob.
Do people like this still exist?
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Only in North Birmingham...
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Am I missing something about North Birmingham?
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Only in North Birmingham...
So everyone from north Birmingham has these views.
Your the problem and you don’t even know it u tosser
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The Christmas spirit didn’t last long.
You looking at my bird?
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The Christmas spirit didn’t last long.
You looking at my bird?
They drank it too quick.
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Only in North Birmingham...
So everyone from north Birmingham has these views.
Your the problem and you don’t even know it u tosser
You seem to have missed the joke.
To clarify: he's a previously banned poster who kept saying stuff along the lines of "only North Birmingham working class people like me are proper Villa fans".
Now, calm down bab.
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The banned poster has obviously never stood at Aston Station in the queues waiting for nearly a hour waiting for a train back
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I usually return to my estate by sedan chair, so that doesn't really bother me.