Crystal Palace v Aston Villa post match thread

[cdbearsfan]

We, literally, lost the game because of the referee.

[FatSam]

We, literally, lost the game because of the referee.

Yes, we literally lost the game because of a poor decision.

I think we can be overly self-critical. Teams win or draw games all the time that they don’t deserve to get points from. It is frequently said that successful teams can win even when they’re not playing well, and that was certainly a characteristic of our 12 game winning run last season.

Even the best teams have off-days (well maybe apart from Man City and Liverpool). We didn’t play well yesterday, by all accounts, but should have drawn the game. Frankly, I’d be surprised if we were dominating any of the teams we have played so far given the complete overhaul that we necessary over the summer. We should be on at least 4 points though.

[amfy]

The thing I totally don’t get is why you would blow the whistle for a dive? I’ve never seen it, it’s usually ‘no foul - play on’.

Simulation is not a free kick offence so there was no reason for the whistle to be blown. I’ve even gone and looked it up because I am looking at that situation and thinking ‘what am I missing here?’ Every time in the past where I’ve seen a player, ours or anyone else’s, go down & the ref doesn’t think it was a foul they have waved ‘play on’ not blown the whistle.

The booking, if needed, can take place in the next break in play.

The fact that he was so quick to blow his whistle here tells me he was waiting for his opportunity to book him.

The correct outcome even if Jack did dive, is that we equalise and it stands, but Jack is booked for simulation.

[Richard E]

Thanks for checking that Amfy. I was beginning to think I was going mad.

[ChicagoLion]

We lost the game because of the referee.

[pooligan]

When i saw who the referee was about 2 30 pm yesterday my heart sank it really did .I did not think it was possible to dislike a referee in control of one of our matches as much as i did Phil Dowd and Mark Halsey . I was wrong,this idiot Friend has previous in several of our previous games. He clearly is biased against Villa .Smith or the club in general should make a official complaint about him as I understand Lambert did in the past .Hopefully we will never see the idiot again

[Des Little]

There’s a monitor on the touchline at every PL game, however Mike Riley in his infinite wisdom doesn’t want referees to use them, which in my opinion makes the whole thing a complete farce. Add to this Phillip Oliver being sat at Stockely Park at VAR control trying to cover two games at the same time and you have complete chaos.

[maidstonevillain]

The thing I totally don’t get is why you would blow the whistle for a dive? I’ve never seen it, it’s usually ‘no foul - play on’.

Simulation is not a free kick offence so there was no reason for the whistle to be blown. I’ve even gone and looked it up because I am looking at that situation and thinking ‘what am I missing here?’ Every time in the past where I’ve seen a player, ours or anyone else’s, go down & the ref doesn’t think it was a foul they have waved ‘play on’ not blown the whistle.

The booking, if needed, can take place in the next break in play.

The fact that he was so quick to blow his whistle here tells me he was waiting for his opportunity to book him.

The correct outcome even if Jack did dive, is that we equalise and it stands, but Jack is booked for simulation.

Interesting point that. The FA are relying on that the whistle was blown. Would be interesting to hear their response on why it was blown.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'm sure i've seen refs whistle for dives before and give the opposition a free kick.

[Rudy65]

We did not lost the game because of a bad referee or VAR (though agreed they were both awful).

We lost the game because we picked the wrong line up. Jota is a back up for Grealish because playing them both leaves us short in terms doing the "hard yards" in midfield. Before worrying about goals, one has to control midfield especially if Dean wants to play it out the back as he suggests. We must put Hourihane or Marvelous alongside Luiz, push Jack further forward (he is dropping way too deep when we are losing the midfield battle), and then trust that he, McGinn, the two FB, and Wes can supply the goals.   

Agree. And away from home drop one of the wingers to strengthen the midfield. Whether David and Wesley can play together in Homes games remains to be seen, but the two wingers system, or more like the players who play that system aren’t doing enough. Neither Jota, Trez or Anwar are offering enough so far. Maybe Lansbury could do a job, particularly away when we need to be more solid

[ChicagoLion]

The thing I totally don’t get is why you would blow the whistle for a dive? I’ve never seen it, it’s usually ‘no foul - play on’.

Simulation is not a free kick offence so there was no reason for the whistle to be blown. I’ve even gone and looked it up because I am looking at that situation and thinking ‘what am I missing here?’ Every time in the past where I’ve seen a player, ours or anyone else’s, go down & the ref doesn’t think it was a foul they have waved ‘play on’ not blown the whistle.

The booking, if needed, can take place in the next break in play.

The fact that he was so quick to blow his whistle here tells me he was waiting for his opportunity to book him.

The correct outcome even if Jack did dive, is that we equalise and it stands, but Jack is booked for simulation.

Interesting point that. The FA are relying on that the whistle was blown. Would be interesting to hear their response on why it was blown.

Don’t hold your breath but Maidestone is right, there was no reason to blow.
It’s cheating

[Toronto Villa]

We, literally, lost the game because of the referee.

In the end yes. But we played so poorly overall that it shouldn’t have even mattered. Palace should have been 3 up at least.

[PeterWithesShin]

If you watch replays if you look at Cahill instead of Jack then either Cahill is also diving or there was contact. Cahill is the thing that for me removes any doubt it was a dive.

[Brend'Watkins]

We, literally, lost the game because of the referee.

In the end yes. But we played so poorly overall that it shouldn’t have even mattered. Palace should have been 3 up at least.

I didn’t see the game and can only go by what I’ve read on here and what other reports I’ve read and listened to. Chris Kamara who was the sky pundit yesterday said this morning on Goals on Sunday that we played well. So yes, we can at times be too critical of ourselves at times.

[Toronto Villa]

We, literally, lost the game because of the referee.

In the end yes. But we played so poorly overall that it shouldn’t have even mattered. Palace should have been 3 up at least.

I didn’t see the game and can only go by what I’ve read on here and what other reports I’ve read and listened to. Chris Kamara who was the sky pundit yesterday said this morning on Goals on Sunday that we played well. So yes, we can at times be too critical of ourselves at times.

I think we are our harshest critics but that said yesterday at one point was just wave after wave of Palace attacks especially down their right. Crosses that never got converted. I think they had over 20 shots on goal. I also think we became less aggressive once the yellow cards were dealt out in most cases unfairly. But we never imposed ourselves in midfield and we kept launching these meaningless cross field passes to the wingers which kept being intercepted. It was very frustrating and I don’t agree at all with Kamara that we played well. I do agree with his assessment of us getting fucked over at the end mind you.