Crystal Palace v Aston Villa post match thread

[SoccerHQ]

Then we should report the fucker again
However, we are clearly battling. We have been on the backfoot in every game we have played.
Against Everton at home we did not have a single corner.
We have a break to assess where we are but I hope we come back with a bit more a bit more attacking intent.
Although we support the team and the settling in of the new guys, it will take a couple more transfer windows to have a team that meets the standard.
since we went down the established teams (or the ones still there) have had how many windows, 6  I guess to strengthen their teams.
It shows
Physically we are out muscled and harried.
Onwards and upwards, but there seems to me a  big gap.   

Spot on Steamer ....it's quite  concerning just how we are being outbattled , particularly in midfield .
I really didn't foresee us struggling against Bournemouth and Palace - doesn't auger well for the games against Liverpool, Citeh and Chelski.... lot of work required in the short break
Hopefully Mings comes through the Internationals unscathed

These are established prem teams. They might not have many names in the 11 that are widely known but as a group they know how to grind out the results to get to 40 points ever year.

We're a bit green, naive and also a bit toothless in the final third. Dosen't mean we can't still win games at this level like last week.

Hardly any of the bottom half will be getting points off Liverpool or Man. City this season, they are both that good and should just go to Asia and play each other 30 times to decide the league.

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In fairness the second video posted doesn't seem to show a few of our fans in the greatest light either

Villa fans kicked off. But...what the videos dont show is the stewards baiting, pushing and shoving before Villa fans reacted.

PC Lathwood handing out the kosh with gay abandon. But then its football fans, so who gives a fuck, it's all fair apparently.

[PeterWithesShin]

In fairness the second video posted doesn't seem to show a few of our fans in the greatest light either

Villa fans kicked off. But...what the videos dont show is the stewards baiting, pushing and shoving before Villa fans reacted.

PC Lathwood handing out the kosh with gay abandon. But then its football fans, so who gives a fuck, it's all fair apparently.

Who said it was fair?

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In fairness the second video posted doesn't seem to show a few of our fans in the greatest light either

Villa fans kicked off. But...what the videos dont show is the stewards baiting, pushing and shoving before Villa fans reacted.

PC Lathwood handing out the kosh with gay abandon. But then its football fans, so who gives a fuck, it's all fair apparently.

Who said it was fair?

I'm talking generally. Police get away with a lot. He'll be back at work for his next shift. Hes got a reputation apparently and some previous, yet there he is, knocking lumps out of somebody prone and posing no threat.

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We weren't out battled today.

[villa `cross the mersey]

In fairness the second video posted doesn't seem to show a few of our fans in the greatest light either

Villa fans kicked off. But...what the videos dont show is the stewards baiting, pushing and shoving before Villa fans reacted.

PC Lathwood handing out the kosh with gay abandon. But then its football fans, so who gives a fuck, it's all fair apparently.

Who said it was fair?

I'm talking generally. Police get away with a lot. He'll be back at work for his next shift. Hes got a reputation apparently and some previous, yet there he is, knocking lumps out of somebody prone and posing no threat.

Hardly reacting in a controlled or restrained manner.....I sincerely hope no one was injured or even arrested in the face of such  provocative behaviour

[Brend'Watkins]

Friend was the 4th official in the Play off vs Fulham looking straight at Fredricks stamp on Grealish.

He didn't ref another Villa game for 2 years after the Chelsea game when Lambert reporting his performance to Mike Riley.

That’s got to be the club’s stance this time too. Once is barely excusable, 3 times it’s clear he has it in for us.

[villa `cross the mersey]

We weren't out battled today.

Did we lack creativity ?

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Yes, Grealish far too deep. McGinn started the second half pushing a lot further up and it yielded pressure. Trezuguet gets sent off and we naturally retreat a bit.

Palace stand off you and defend as an entire unit with 11 behind the ball and look to swamp you. If you're Grelaish and 40 yards from goal, you've got a lot to do to create something.

[ez]

I can't believe var even looked at the incident and said, Yes, definite dive.

The thing is do we know that? Maybe VAR was and the ref on the pitch decided not to use it. VAR is just a human or group of humans with a bunch of monitors at different angles specifically tasked with helping the three officials on the pitch. Frankly I’m astonished that neither assistant didn’t catch it. Friend is directly behind both fouls as they happened. That’s fucking gross incompetence on its own. But had he gone to VAR he may well have been told it wasn’t a dive but he seemingly chose not to use it.

That's what i think. It all happened too quickly for var to have been used.

[Toronto Villa]

Yes, Grealish far too deep. McGinn started the second half pushing a lot further up and it yielded pressure. Trezuguet gets sent off and we naturally retreat a bit.

Palace stand off you and defend as an entire unit with 11 behind the ball and look to swamp you. If you're Grelaish and 40 yards from goal, you've got a lot to do to create something.

Agreed Ads. It’s what I said at the start of this. It’s not about being bigger or stronger. I thought tactically Dean got it wrong and we got overrun. I wouldn’t have played two wingers and played Conor as a fourth midfielder. And once it became obvious the current set up wasn’t working he didn’t make the needed changes and preserved with Trezeguet and Jota. One of them had to come off. And this tactic of launching long cross field balls to our wingers isn’t working.

[Sexual Ealing]

We are now 18th having just played some of the worst "Premier League" football I've seen in a while. I honestly think we are in big trouble.

Thanks amfy.

I also meant 'Konsa', not 'Kinda'!

Eh?

Sorry, meant to reply to this:

Anyone know why our fans were singing"fuck the EFL"?

Also that Kinda song is grim in every aspect.

In support of Bury.

In support of Bury.
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[Toronto Villa]

I can't believe var even looked at the incident and said, Yes, definite dive.

The thing is do we know that? Maybe VAR was and the ref on the pitch decided not to use it. VAR is just a human or group of humans with a bunch of monitors at different angles specifically tasked with helping the three officials on the pitch. Frankly I’m astonished that neither assistant didn’t catch it. Friend is directly behind both fouls as they happened. That’s fucking gross incompetence on its own. But had he gone to VAR he may well have been told it wasn’t a dive but he seemingly chose not to use it.

That's what i think. It all happened too quickly for var to have been used.

Part of VAR is to be retroactive and ultimately get the decision right. So there was time for Friend to get an opinion from the VAR and make the correct call. He could have been told Grealish didn’t dive, and while it was a foul it went on to Lansbury who then scored. Palace would have had no grounds to be upset when they reviewed it after.

[villa `cross the mersey]

Like many I was concerned about the absence of a goal scoring threat - add to that the lack of creativity and we will no doubt struggle in this league ....Dean needs to look at videos of all four games thus far and reassess the way we need to approach the next few games ....it was a great win over Everton but the result papered over a few cracks

[Matt C]

Think we’re going to have to change the shape a bit to get Grealish further up the pitch and give us some more presence in midfield. Probably means losing a winger.