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Author Topic: Going Straight Back Down?  (Read 13442 times)

Offline Diablo

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2019, 12:21:47 PM »
Predictions for the upcoming season from fans in the Guardian that starts off pretty bleak with 4 of the first 5 predicting we’ll do a Fulham (Arsenal, Bournemouth, Brighton, Chelsea) then it eases up (although a Newcastle fan obviously thinks we’ll go down).

Liverpool and Wolves fans have DS as first managerial sacking?!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/04/premier-league-2019-20-fans-verdicts-arsenal-liverpool

It maybe belongs on another thread, and I feel ashamed to be in such strong agreement with a Chelsea fan, but his summation of VAR is absolutely spot on!
Possibly (feel free to move if so) I thought it tied in with John E, Soccer HQ and Pete 3206 conversation/debate about the whole Fulham comparison and other fan's perception/prediction of us.

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2019, 12:28:12 PM »
Predictions for the upcoming season from fans in the Guardian that starts off pretty bleak with 4 of the first 5 predicting we’ll do a Fulham (Arsenal, Bournemouth, Brighton, Chelsea) then it eases up (although a Newcastle fan obviously thinks we’ll go down).

Liverpool and Wolves fans have DS as first managerial sacking?!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/04/premier-league-2019-20-fans-verdicts-arsenal-liverpool

It maybe belongs on another thread, and I feel ashamed to be in such strong agreement with a Chelsea fan, but his summation of VAR is absolutely spot on!
Possibly (feel free to move if so) I thought it tied in with John E, Soccer HQ and Pete 3206 conversation/debate about the whole Fulham comparison and other fan's perception/prediction of us.

I meant my comment not your article!

Offline Diablo

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2019, 12:42:36 PM »
Predictions for the upcoming season from fans in the Guardian that starts off pretty bleak with 4 of the first 5 predicting we’ll do a Fulham (Arsenal, Bournemouth, Brighton, Chelsea) then it eases up (although a Newcastle fan obviously thinks we’ll go down).

Liverpool and Wolves fans have DS as first managerial sacking?!

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/04/premier-league-2019-20-fans-verdicts-arsenal-liverpool

It maybe belongs on another thread, and I feel ashamed to be in such strong agreement with a Chelsea fan, but his summation of VAR is absolutely spot on!
Possibly (feel free to move if so) I thought it tied in with John E, Soccer HQ and Pete 3206 conversation/debate about the whole Fulham comparison and other fan's perception/prediction of us.

I meant my comment not your article!
Ah sorry. Yeah I agree - agreeing with a Chelsea fan regardless of the subject deserves a thread of its own ;-)

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #48 on: August 04, 2019, 12:47:09 PM »
Inevitably the bitter Newcastle bell end has us finishing bottom.

Offline KRS

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2019, 01:03:11 PM »
Quite a few predicting Deano will be sacked first...pretty sure they’ll be out of pocket if they put their money where their mouth is.

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2019, 01:05:40 PM »
Just read what the Villa guy wrote, pretty much on with what I think, I even had the same three going down. The Arsenal guy is being a bit optimistic....ditto Brighton fella.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2019, 01:09:29 PM by garyshawsknee »

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2019, 01:38:06 PM »
Just read what the Villa guy wrote, pretty much on with what I think, I even had the same three going down. The Arsenal guy is being a bit optimistic....ditto Brighton fella.
They use this Jonathan Pritchard guy every year.  Anyone know him?

Offline Damo70

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2019, 02:04:57 PM »
Liverpool and Wolves fans. Possibly the most irritating in the division. How I'd laugh if Klopp or the bloke from Wolves were to go first.

I admire your sentiments but sadly I strongly believe that even if Klopp goes Liverpool fans will still be very irritating. I doubt they will suddenly change the habits of a lifetime.

I don't think we will go down and I think we will also avoid finishing in the bottom six. However, I do think we will struggle and have a bad run at some point and everyone will have to hold their nerve and not panic. Although we are an unknown quantity even to our own supporters at the moment I think we will have enough to finish above Brighton, Sheffield United, Norwich, Burnley, Palace and Newcastle. I also think this might be a season too far in the Premier League for Bournemouth.

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2019, 02:58:38 PM »
Who are the three favourites for the drop btw?  I'd go with Norwich Brighton and maybe Newcastle

Offline Damo70

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2019, 03:07:03 PM »
Who are the three favourites for the drop btw?  I'd go with Norwich Brighton and maybe Newcastle

Sheffield United 4/6
Norwich 10/11
Villa, Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle 2/1

Offline Chico Hamilton III

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2019, 03:30:59 PM »
i may have come across the 'doing a Fulham' thing once or twice early on but i don't really think its a big thing going round

the only place i see it ever mentioned now is on here

Been loads of press articles about it and that Big Sam interview on Talksport.

Getting the train home last night and 2 very pissed - and very friendly- Millwall fans sat next to me. Surprisingly knowledgeable about some of our new signings but it all went pear shaped when one of them asked me if I  thought we’d do a Fulham. Then, as I got off the train, one of them said “ see you next season”.

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2019, 04:09:42 PM »
i may have come across the 'doing a Fulham' thing once or twice early on but i don't really think its a big thing going round

the only place i see it ever mentioned now is on here

Been loads of press articles about it and that Big Sam interview on Talksport.

Getting the train home last night and 2 very pissed - and very friendly- Millwall fans sat next to me. Surprisingly knowledgeable about some of our new signings but it all went pear shaped when one of them asked me if I  thought we’d do a Fulham. Then, as I got off the train, one of them said “ see you next season”.
He is optimistic if he thinks Milwall will be promoted.

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2019, 04:11:12 PM »
Who are the three favourites for the drop btw?  I'd go with Norwich Brighton and maybe Newcastle

Sheffield United 4/6
Norwich 10/11
Villa, Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle 2/1
Finish above all that lot and I'll be happy as a clam.

Offline Damo70

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2019, 10:09:43 PM »
Who are the three favourites for the drop btw?  I'd go with Norwich Brighton and maybe Newcastle

Sheffield United 4/6
Norwich 10/11
Villa, Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle 2/1
Finish above all that lot and I'll be happy as a clam.


Basically the bookies are saying Sheffield United and Norwich will go down and the third relegation spot will be filled by Villa, Burnley, Brighton or Newcastle.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Going Straight Back Down?
« Reply #59 on: August 05, 2019, 12:07:25 AM »
I guess the best place to start is to explain how many points are needed to aim for to not be going straight back down. In very simple terms, let's say we are aiming at 35-38 points over the season. That's usually enough for an outside the bottom 3  finish.

My research source is
 https://www.premierleague.com/news/1174821

"Premier league history has shown that since the league was cut to 20 teams in 1995/96, the average points required to avoid the drop has been much lower than 40."

I've added last seasons points tally to include
the past 24 seasons, the 18th-placed team, the highest to go down, have averaged 35.5 points

So looking at the last 3 seasons without our beloved club in the premier league the points needed to be safe were

2018/19 34 pts
2017/18 34pts
2016/17 35pts

And in fact as you can see from the link it's not since 2002/3 season that over 40 pts was needed . That season 43 points needed to stay in league.

Alright then tackling the question: are we going straight back down?
If we say "no we will achieve 35 plus points"   
How do we get them?

Well one example 9 wins and 9 draws from 38 matches gives us 36 points. This is what Brighton achieved to stay up last season.

Can Villa can get the minimum points total of 34 which would have kept a club in the Premier league the last 2 seasons?

As we all know we have 38 matches to play  19 home/19 away .
Well, assuming for a moment that we won't get any pts from top 4 fixtures (we probably will maybe ?? have a few pts but I'm just trying to explain the method)

8 of those games are against the top 4.
Say we write off 24pts. So that leaves 30 matches and 90pts where as a promoted club we have a reasonable chance of gaining some wins and picking up points

Villa need to be aiming at 1.1 to 1.2 pts per match in 15 home matches And 15 away matches. Reasonable right?!

The opening set of fixtures gives 3 of 5 matches at home . A great opportunity to pick up points and I feel despite many new squad players there is a momentum.

During this coming season We have 6 consecutive fixtures from 7th December to 1st Jan without a fixture against a top 6 side I feel this is especially a period to achieve as many points as we can.

Aside from those more agreeable fixtures as the season goes along,  in general ,it also stands to reason that the closer opposition clubs are to the bottom of the league when Villa play them the better it is to defeat them. One could argue the easier it is too :D

Though this might seem obvious to state it's actually significant. I've read here on previous posts the listed teams that are expected to struggle and being aware of the likely teams that will be struggling and winning those games can only be a major help in not returning to championship football.

Finally, in my first contribution to the site , I like to say I have watched Villas football season after season and things have been roughly the same untill Dean Smith arrived.
This season there will be matches that surprise the wider public , maybe even us supporters and followers. I can pretty much count on it with the way Dean Smith intends to compete. And at the same time, predictable results will happen. Now, that doesn't matter because we aren't seeing the predictable football and I really think The Smith Villa era is something that will continue to bring footy joy.

In my view, Dean Smith has built a competitive squad which I think can achieve 35pts and then some!! 

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