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Offline frank black

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Re: VAR
« Reply #600 on: October 19, 2019, 09:24:34 PM »
Watching the rugby today, with the ref mic’d up etc....can the fans in the ground hear what’s happening? Guess not....but seems better than footballs approach.

I felt pretty deflated about going to the matches after the last couple of VAR incidents. I find myself doing very half arsed celebrations and waiting for the ref to put his hand to his hear. Shit isn’t it
« Last Edit: October 19, 2019, 09:26:10 PM by frank black »

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Re: VAR
« Reply #601 on: October 19, 2019, 09:26:47 PM »
I could accept it ruling out our goal if it was getting pretty much every decision right but for example the amount of, what to me at least, have been blatant penalties that haven't been given this season makes it a farce.

The one Watford didn’t get today is absolutely scandalous let alone the one McGinn won.

Offline Somniloquism

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Re: VAR
« Reply #602 on: October 19, 2019, 09:38:47 PM »
You only have to look at the players reactions.

Vrs Crystal Palace not one defender appealed for a Jack dive or against the goal. Cahill was holding his shin which proved there was contact on Jack.

Vrs Brighton, again, not one person appealed for a foul. The fact the keeper didn’t is enough for me.

How on earth var operator came to those two conclusions is beyond me.

I thought it might help, but, for me it’s becoming a massive hindrance, too much too soon.

I’m with bronte, use for offside and ball over line decisions, when they’ve got the hang of that put a bit more in.

The keeper was moaning half-heatedly before hand and then was more vocal after the fact. The push on the defender by Kane during the build up for their goal was even worse and was not even checked, only if Alli had handballed it. And being as they are very anal on calls that seem to involve Villa and not Spurs, they get away with it. For example Vertonghen's follow up trip on Delefou, No attempt at the ball and hooks the standing leg. Refs call decided even though he couldn't see the angle that the Camera was showing VAR. But then he can also literally pull the shorts down of the opposing player and not get penalised so I shouldn't be surprised.

Offline OCD

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Re: VAR
« Reply #603 on: October 19, 2019, 09:43:41 PM »
It's the God-awful 'experts' analysing the VAR that's the problem not the system itself. They should mirror the rugby set-up and also allow us to hear the conversations between the ref and the visually- and hemispherically -challenged twats in Stockley Park.

This is it for me, get the ref and TV official on comms and broadcast it in the ground and on TV, once we can hear what they're unhappy about it at least gives us something to watch for.

It's only ever applied in a negative way, never a positive way. By which I mean it's used to take but never to give. It's done better in Europe and probably even the FA Cup last season (which wasn't perfect). There's too much at stake in the Premier League to be dicking about with something that hasn't been tried and tested.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #604 on: October 19, 2019, 10:17:34 PM »
I was in favour of it. I couldn't properly celebrate either goal today until the referee blew his whistle for the restart.

Sucked the fun out. Fuck VAR with a traffic cone.

Offline Charlie8182

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Re: VAR
« Reply #605 on: October 19, 2019, 10:32:12 PM »
We can start by removing that un-obligatory Alan Shearer bollocks on the screens before the kick off, it actually wound people up today and this was before ‘that’ incident.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: VAR
« Reply #606 on: October 19, 2019, 11:11:02 PM »
It's the God-awful 'experts' analysing the VAR that's the problem not the system itself. They should mirror the rugby set-up and also allow us to hear the conversations between the ref and the visually- and hemispherically -challenged twats in Stockley Park.

This is it for me, get the ref and TV official on comms and broadcast it in the ground and on TV, once we can hear what they're unhappy about it at least gives us something to watch for.

Agree about the process not being clear Paul.  Did the ref today ask the TV official to check the incident with the keeper or did the TV official intervene? For me, the latter scenario isn't right as the TV official should only really intervene if there is a clear infringement that the ref has missed. 

If the TV official has given an opinion on something the the ref had clearly seen and not given as a foul then that's not a great precedent really. 
« Last Edit: October 20, 2019, 12:08:45 AM by tomd2103 »

Offline Pat McMahon

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Re: VAR
« Reply #607 on: October 19, 2019, 11:17:20 PM »
I was in favour of it. I couldn't properly celebrate either goal today until the referee blew his whistle for the restart.

Sucked the fun out. Fuck VAR with a traffic cone.

I agree. Like our first real goal against Burnley today I was too tentative in my celebrations for Jack.s goal. There is something wrong when there is a bigger cheer for the opposition kicking off to restart than the original goal.

My take on it is that the ref should consult a screen at the side of the pitch as they did in the World Cup in Russia. The teats in Stockley are probably bored and looking for work thus jumping up with excitement when a goal is scored. Like traffic wardens with parking tickets I figure they have a bonus  scheme for disallowed goals.

Offline Somniloquism

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Re: VAR
« Reply #608 on: October 19, 2019, 11:27:04 PM »
Just seen the Burnley one. Wow, he deliberately fouled Evans there didn't he?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #609 on: October 19, 2019, 11:36:19 PM »
I was in favour of it. I couldn't properly celebrate either goal today until the referee blew his whistle for the restart.

Sucked the fun out. Fuck VAR with a traffic cone.

Yes, it’s bollocks. It’s adding nothing other than a talking point for people who don’t go to games.

Fuck VAR.

Offline paul_e

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Re: VAR
« Reply #610 on: October 19, 2019, 11:42:27 PM »
I'd agree with that. I like the idea of VAR and I think a version of it which is implemented properly would benefit the game but this version seems designed to fail so they can tell people they tried before going back to the refs word being the end of it.

Offline PeterWithesShin

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Re: VAR
« Reply #611 on: October 19, 2019, 11:49:37 PM »
Farce in the Spurs game,  VAR says no goal, ref gives it anyway. And another blatant pen not given.

Offline Somniloquism

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Re: VAR
« Reply #612 on: October 19, 2019, 11:56:23 PM »
Farce in the Spurs game,  VAR says no goal, ref gives it anyway. And another blatant pen not given.

Like I mentioned earlier, why wasn't Kanes push looked at? Cleverly is motioning at that to the Ref and he never even asked for it. It was worse then what Wes did to the keeper, about that much time between the foul and the goal and yet not even reviewed at all.

Offline Damo70

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Re: VAR
« Reply #613 on: October 19, 2019, 11:57:40 PM »
Farce in the Spurs game,  VAR says no goal, ref gives it anyway. And another blatant pen not given.

Listening to Phil Neville speaking on MOTD about how well VAR was used in the womens world cup made me realise that the refs in the premier league appear to be too arrogant to use it as much as they should.

Offline Somniloquism

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Re: VAR
« Reply #614 on: October 20, 2019, 12:00:51 AM »
The only decision VAR got totally correct today was against the Dingles it seems. So I think one in five?

 


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