VAR

[paul_e]

I'd also love attacking players dangling their leg two foot away from the ball not to be a penalty. If they are initiating the contact then no pen. This is obviously a little subjective (like all fouls) but I think 9 times out of 10 people know when this has clearly happened.

Yep, that as well.

It's interesting that none of these are impacted by VAR though.

[edgysatsuma89]

I'd also love attacking players dangling their leg two foot away from the ball not to be a penalty. If they are initiating the contact then no pen. This is obviously a little subjective (like all fouls) but I think 9 times out of 10 people know when this has clearly happened.

Yep, that as well.

It's interesting that none of these are impacted by VAR though.

Yeah, that's true. We're basically asking for better officiating.

[Somniloquism]

If you are Webb and his merry band of incompetents at PGMOL you are loving the debate about whether VAR should be abolished or not…yet again the focus is not on the actual issue which is the users / operators.

In terms of tech the moment we have a chip in the ball to judge the moment the ball is played to ensure the right image is judged for offsides it’ll be fine.

From my perspective I’d like to see the screens kicked out, if the VAR wants to make a decision they do and they put their name to it rather than sew the seed of doubt in refs mind so they almost always do what the VAR wants anyway.

Would also sack off slow motion replays…judge it at full speed as slow motion just changes everything

Proper comms to those in the stadium is pathetic that after how many years they haven’t addressed.

Final change would be to employ and FULLY train pure VAR officials…not other refs trying to assist their mates…it’s a role that should be independent and not as add on to the day job of being a ref.

Surely if they are supposed to make decisions on whether something is a sending off or a penalty / not goal, then they become a referee. So then why would making them pure VAR officials mean they still wouldn't be friends with the ref and "assisting their mates", although ultimately your changes would remove the need for officials to even be in the ground if their decisions on the day are actually being over-ruled by people who have only ever watched a game through multiple monitors.

The only two things I agree with is the comms and the chip in the ball finally being in place. Even with your slo-mo, the speed of the play wouldn't make things obvious at all and TV will still slo-mo the action even if the VAR wouldn't.

[Gareth]

If you are Webb and his merry band of incompetents at PGMOL you are loving the debate about whether VAR should be abolished or not…yet again the focus is not on the actual issue which is the users / operators.

In terms of tech the moment we have a chip in the ball to judge the moment the ball is played to ensure the right image is judged for offsides it’ll be fine.

From my perspective I’d like to see the screens kicked out, if the VAR wants to make a decision they do and they put their name to it rather than sew the seed of doubt in refs mind so they almost always do what the VAR wants anyway.

Would also sack off slow motion replays…judge it at full speed as slow motion just changes everything

Proper comms to those in the stadium is pathetic that after how many years they haven’t addressed.

Final change would be to employ and FULLY train pure VAR officials…not other refs trying to assist their mates…it’s a role that should be independent and not as add on to the day job of being a ref.

Surely if they are supposed to make decisions on whether something is a sending off or a penalty / not goal, then they become a referee. So then why would making them pure VAR officials mean they still wouldn't be friends with the ref and "assisting their mates", although ultimately your changes would remove the need for officials to even be in the ground if their decisions on the day are actually being over-ruled by people who have only ever watched a game through multiple monitors.

The only two things I agree with is the comms and the chip in the ball finally being in place. Even with your slo-mo, the speed of the play wouldn't make things obvious at all and TV will still slo-mo the action even if the VAR wouldn't.

Not at all…the current system has refs marking other refs homework…it’s too cosy…wouldn’t be as much of an issue if they didn’t make so many errors but that is a PGMOL thing that the standard of on field referees has declined since VAR came in.

But you do underpin all that by noting the performances of some of the referees we’ve had in the Conference League this year….hence Ive definitely switched from the ‘can VAR’ camp to make it work better camp.

[Simon Page]

How about: Can you be certain?

Ans: Yes, give the foul/goal/card.

Ans: No, don't.

It's not fckn hard until you start talking about phases, arm position, intent, star sign. We'll moan regardless, so aren't important.

[edgysatsuma89]

How about: Can you be certain?

Ans: Yes, give the foul/goal/card.

Ans: No, don't.

It's not fckn hard until you start talking about phases, arm position, intent, star sign. We'll moan regardless, so aren't important.

If I can become a VAR specialist, I'd be taking in to account if I'd ever seen them park in a disabled spot or if they eat with their mouth open.

[The Edge]

The biggest frustration for me has always been the nasal hair offsides. The lines are not fkn accurate. We know this because the still frame always shows a blurry image of the forward pass. It's simple. If you need to draw lines on the screen it's too close to call so give the advantage to the attacking side. The worst example of this recently was Coventry's disallowed goal against Man Yoo in the semi final. There's just no way they can say that was offside and keep a straight face. I know they're bringing in technology to address this elephant in the room so let's wait and see how that goes.

[Nev]

Just looked back to the start of this thread, in almost 5 years absolutely nothing has changed. Rules have been tinkered with, apologies made, TV programmes commissioned precisely to look at it, demands made for better tech, better officials, better everything, careers ruined, teams hard done by, goal celebrations destroyed, countless sighs of relief after long waits for a decision etc etc

And in 5 years time, we will still be here because the basic premise is flawed. Most of the decisions made are subjective and not a matter of fact.

[The Edge]

Just looked back to the start of this thread, in almost 5 years absolutely nothing has changed. Rules have been tinkered with, apologies made, TV programmes commissioned precisely to look at it, demands made for better tech, better officials, better everything, careers ruined, teams hard done by, goal celebrations destroyed, countless sighs of relief after long waits for a decision etc etc

And in 5 years time, we will still be here because the basic premise is flawed. Most of the decisions made are subjective and not a matter of fact.

I couldn't agree more.

[edgysatsuma89]

The biggest frustration for me has always been the nasal hair offsides. The lines are not fkn accurate. We know this because the still frame always shows a blurry image of the forward pass. It's simple. If you need to draw lines on the screen it's too close to call so give the advantage to the attacking side. The worst example of this recently was Coventry's disallowed goal against Man Yoo in the semi final. There's just no way they can say that was offside and keep a straight face. I know they're bringing in technology to address this elephant in the room so let's wait and see how that goes.

Giving advantage to the attacker would absolutely fuck how Emery sets up his team.

[Somniloquism]

The biggest frustration for me has always been the nasal hair offsides. The lines are not fkn accurate. We know this because the still frame always shows a blurry image of the forward pass. It's simple. If you need to draw lines on the screen it's too close to call so give the advantage to the attacking side. The worst example of this recently was Coventry's disallowed goal against Man Yoo in the semi final. There's just no way they can say that was offside and keep a straight face. I know they're bringing in technology to address this elephant in the room so let's wait and see how that goes.

Sometimes the lines are needed on the screen because the attacker is one side of the pitch, and person potentially playing them on is the other side. A classic example of this was Bailey being called offside against Liverpool. It looked well off on the pitch, but the lines showed there was less then a foot in it.

As for the inaccuracy of when the game is paused, well that is something that affects both sides and there will always be inaccuracy even with the chip because even though they run 50 frames a second, it will have to go on the nearest frame to when the chip set it off. We are still talking the same fractions of the second you are complaining about. Where the new semi automated system might help will also be the close calls because it will auto-mark the players and the goal scoring extremities rather then a man zooming into the pixelated area the best he can.

[SaddVillan]

https://www.premierleague.com/news/4081343

Just make sure you have your blood pressure medicatio to hand, should you tune in.

Stockley Park teams currently being trained in the use of 3 dice.

Dice 1 & 2 - decide what decision has been made and why.
Dice 3 - decides which excuse will be released to the press post-match.

[Somniloquism]

As it seems to be a centre for misinformation, I can see why an X account is useful. Will it automatically blame the foreign player for the mistake?

[Tuscans]

Players told there were too many hand-balls last season. Players now advised by PL that not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence and they are not expected to move with their arms behind back or by their side like pogoing penguins (not an official description in the Laws). Handball Law is simplified. No hand-ball if: justifiable position or action; a clear change of trajectory when touched by, or deflected from, the same player; played by a team-mate; hits supporting arm when a player falls; or proximity. Handball still fairly complicated but this should prove an improvement. @premierleague

[LeeB]

Players told there were too many hand-balls last season. Players now advised by PL that not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence and they are not expected to move with their arms behind back or by their side like pogoing penguins (not an official description in the Laws). Handball Law is simplified. No hand-ball if: justifiable position or action; a clear change of trajectory when touched by, or deflected from, the same player; played by a team-mate; hits supporting arm when a player falls; or proximity. Handball still fairly complicated but this should prove an improvement. @premierleague

Everton fans ill be seething as yet again the Premier League have it in for them.