VAR

[Somniloquism]

I've watched the Watkins penalty shout again, and it's unbelievable. Ollie is in full control of the ball, and he gets both a shoulder barge AND his leg being taken away. It's as clear a foul as you'll ever see, and if it was in the middle of the park it would be both a foul and a yellow card. Thank god we won anyway, but even so, it was abysmal from the ref and VAR.

Are shoulder barges a foul? Always thought they were a general allowable thing. I think if Watkins had allowed the ball to run more left, it was more likely to be given because the shoulder to shoulder would have been impossible by Diop.

[dave shelley]

I've watched the Watkins penalty shout again, and it's unbelievable. Ollie is in full control of the ball, and he gets both a shoulder barge AND his leg being taken away. It's as clear a foul as you'll ever see, and if it was in the middle of the park it would be both a foul and a yellow card. Thank god we won anyway, but even so, it was abysmal from the ref and VAR.

A definite penalty.   Referee's first game in the PL (we all have to start somewhere) and my take on it is that Fred in the Shed was under instructions to only interfere if things were blatantly obvious and decided that that particular incident wasn't whilst it obviously was.

[paul_e]

I've watched the Watkins penalty shout again, and it's unbelievable. Ollie is in full control of the ball, and he gets both a shoulder barge AND his leg being taken away. It's as clear a foul as you'll ever see, and if it was in the middle of the park it would be both a foul and a yellow card. Thank god we won anyway, but even so, it was abysmal from the ref and VAR.

Are shoulder barges a foul? Always thought they were a general allowable thing. I think if Watkins had allowed the ball to run more left, it was more likely to be given because the shoulder to shoulder would have been impossible by Diop.

McGinn got booked for one (slightly harshly in my opinion) in the first half so clearly they can be according to that referee.

[Drummond]

I've watched the Watkins penalty shout again, and it's unbelievable. Ollie is in full control of the ball, and he gets both a shoulder barge AND his leg being taken away. It's as clear a foul as you'll ever see, and if it was in the middle of the park it would be both a foul and a yellow card. Thank god we won anyway, but even so, it was abysmal from the ref and VAR.

A definite penalty.   Referee's first game in the PL (we all have to start somewhere) and my take on it is that Fred in the Shed was under instructions to only interfere if things were blatantly obvious and decided that that particular incident wasn't whilst it obviously was.

I think you're right Dave. The ref gets no flack because it's then a VAR issue for missing/ignoring it.

[Gareth]

I've watched the Watkins penalty shout again, and it's unbelievable. Ollie is in full control of the ball, and he gets both a shoulder barge AND his leg being taken away. It's as clear a foul as you'll ever see, and if it was in the middle of the park it would be both a foul and a yellow card. Thank god we won anyway, but even so, it was abysmal from the ref and VAR.

A definite penalty.   Referee's first game in the PL (we all have to start somewhere) and my take on it is that Fred in the Shed was under instructions to only interfere if things were blatantly obvious and decided that that particular incident wasn't whilst it obviously was.

I think you're right Dave. The ref gets no flack because it's then a VAR issue for missing/ignoring it.

PGMOL giving a guy making his debut Brooks as a VAR was an awful call…would have only been worse if they’d given him Coote.

[Brend'Watkins]

The Watkins non penalty is a joke. If you've seen the incident you say pen straight away. If the ref has not given it you give him a buzz in the ear and tell him to look at the monitor, more so that he's new and his first Prem Game. FFS it's the objective of VAR....to spot clear an obvious errors.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Same in the Forest-West Ham game, Forest player goes down in the box, ref waves play on, VAR didn't look at it. TV replays show the West Ham player stood on the Forest player's foot causing him to fall. Clear and obvious but ignored by VAR.

[GordonCowansisthegreatest]

"Clear and obvious" is a bs excuse to cover their arses.
Just get the correct outcome, it's easy!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

"Clear and obvious" is a bs excuse to cover their arses.
Just get the correct outcome, it's easy!

The problem is they make it up as they go along. A simple rule like measuring by foot of the player rather than elbows, hands, knees, shoulders, toes. It's nonsense.

[Somniloquism]

"Clear and obvious" is a bs excuse to cover their arses.
Just get the correct outcome, it's easy!

The problem is they make it up as they go along. A simple rule like measuring by foot of the player rather than elbows, hands, knees, shoulders, toes. It's nonsense.

Aren't the toes on the foot?

[Baldy]

"Clear and obvious" is a bs excuse to cover their arses.
Just get the correct outcome, it's easy!

The problem is they make it up as they go along. A simple rule like measuring by foot of the player rather than elbows, hands, knees, shoulders, toes. It's nonsense.

Aren't the toes on the foot?

Not at St Andrews.

[Somniloquism]

We all rip the piss that he could be the star of the live action Lego Movie without the need of make-up, but it seems we should be praising him something rotten that he helped fix VAR for all the team...... what do you mean they have won a few so he doesn't have to blame the reffing suddenly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68381305

[Ian.]

He’s a proper twat ain’t he?

[baddowvillans]

He must be fuming though that VAR didn't award Liverpool a penalty for Odergards hand ball or is it just if it goes Arsenal way?

[The Edge]

"Clear and obvious" is a bs excuse to cover their arses.
Just get the correct outcome, it's easy!

The problem is they make it up as they go along. A simple rule like measuring by foot of the player rather than elbows, hands, knees, shoulders, toes. It's nonsense.

Aren't the toes on the foot?

Not at St Andrews.

They make up for it with extra fingers.