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Offline Nastylee

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1230 on: February 17, 2020, 10:21:17 PM »
Plain and simple,  football is for the armchair supporter now. Fine if you're at home with a running commentary and replays but nowt for fans in the ground.
 Been coming but var is the final nail.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2020, 10:24:08 PM by Nastylee »

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1231 on: February 17, 2020, 10:27:00 PM »
The thing about VAR and off side for me is they measure the players position to the millimetre but give no indication or evidence as to when the ball is kicked.

Been saying this from the start ..

Yep, a very relevant point that seems to be ignored

Perhaps they could introduce a time limit of say 20-30 secs to make a decision for offsides which would stop micro analysing the really tight calls. If its not clear enough to determine within that time limit the goal stands.

Offline Meanwood Villa

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1232 on: February 17, 2020, 10:34:30 PM »
The way to sort the offside nonsense is any part of the player is level = onside. Yes there will be millimetre calls the other way but I think this is closer to the spirit of the game. Saying someone is gaining an advantage when their heel is offside while they're facing the other way is frankly ludicrous.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1233 on: February 17, 2020, 11:39:20 PM »
The way to sort the offside nonsense is any part of the player is level = onside. Yes there will be millimetre calls the other way but I think this is closer to the spirit of the game. Saying someone is gaining an advantage when their heel is offside while they're facing the other way is frankly ludicrous.

Was saying the same to a friend recently. When they changed the offside rule a good while back to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking player it improved the game. It would improve the game if they employed the same rule as goal scored. The ball has to be clearly over the line for it to be a goal. All of the player has to clearly over whatever line they might draw in line with the last defender for it be offside.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1234 on: February 18, 2020, 12:06:31 AM »
VAR is fucking shit. From McGinn getting clattered at Tottenham on day fucking 1, this dire shit show of a system is fucking terrible. We shouldn't just scrap it, we should dust off and nuke Stockley Park from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1235 on: February 18, 2020, 12:09:50 AM »
The biggest issue I have is that it has gone from an Video "Assistant" Referee (VAR) to Video Referee (VR). It was created to help the ref make better decisions not take over from him. But that is how the PL have implemented it and it's been nothing short of a disaster.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1236 on: February 18, 2020, 12:44:00 AM »
VAR is fucking shit. From McGinn getting clattered at Tottenham on day fucking 1, this dire shit show of a system is fucking terrible. We shouldn't just scrap it, we should dust off and nuke Stockley Park from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

This. Absolutely this, with massive brass bells on.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1237 on: February 18, 2020, 01:38:09 AM »
The biggest issue I have is that it has gone from an Video "Assistant" Referee (VAR) to Video Referee (VR). It was created to help the ref make better decisions not take over from him. But that is how the PL have implemented it and it's been nothing short of a disaster.

Yes, this. As mentioned, I'm not sure how other countries use of it is different then ours, but the fact the PL, FA and Refs Association has pretty much ditched the referee from checking his own decisions and now to them fully over ruling refs on tight decisions does mean it has gone to that.

Although by full definition our the Spurs penalty was one, it was a genuine challenge for the ball and both players were sliding in. I personally didn't think it was a clear and obvious error compared to, I believe the Liverpool player early on in the season, who dived in on a similar area, actually turned his foot to hook the player and got no where near the ball. Onfield ref in a similar position to ours decides no penalty as he can't see the foot hook. VAR ref decides not a clear and obvious error even though they can see the footage the ref can't.

My main desire was that Big teams wouldn't get the decisions like they used to. Instead you now have a video twat to give them the decisions if the ref on field forgets to.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1238 on: February 18, 2020, 01:29:18 PM »
VAR is fucking shit. From McGinn getting clattered at Tottenham on day fucking 1, this dire shit show of a system is fucking terrible. We shouldn't just scrap it, we should dust off and nuke Stockley Park from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

This. Absolutely this, with massive brass bells on.

Seconded.  It's so massively flawed it's untrue, to the point that it screams match fixing in full effect.  I fully expect Mike Riley to get his P45 this summer, he just has to.

Offline London Villan

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1239 on: February 18, 2020, 01:50:50 PM »
I wonder when/if the fans in the ground can create some sort of visual protest, like our inflatable pitch invasion when we got relegated. Every ground on a certain minute, stopping every game.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1240 on: February 18, 2020, 02:52:29 PM »
Well that Lerner out poster drop v Southampton a few years ago was the best I can recall.  The paper plane contest was a damn site more enjoyable than the match, and it raised awareness.  I'd vote for that.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1241 on: February 18, 2020, 03:36:33 PM »
Is it just me but do the TV companies seemingly get the answer of the award before the fans in the stadium do - it certainly feels like it

Quite often you will hear a match pundit say the result before the ref actually does it

Online Nev

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1242 on: February 18, 2020, 03:40:22 PM »
Is it just me but do the TV companies seemingly get the answer of the award before the fans in the stadium do - it certainly feels like it

Quite often you will hear a match pundit say the result before the ref actually does it

I think they have a monitor that gives the answer straight away. Sometimes there is check that isn't referenced within the ground but the commentator will mention it, more often than not when it is a cursory check that is easily dismissed. Like the one's involving an infraction against Aston Villa.

Offline frank black

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1243 on: February 18, 2020, 04:27:03 PM »
Is it just me but do the TV companies seemingly get the answer of the award before the fans in the stadium do - it certainly feels like it

Quite often you will hear a match pundit say the result before the ref actually does it

I think they have a monitor that gives the answer straight away. Sometimes there is check that isn't referenced within the ground but the commentator will mention it, more often than not when it is a cursory check that is easily dismissed. Like the one's involving an infraction against Aston Villa.

I noticed at the Tottenham match the ref held his hand to his ear and started to move towards the penalty spot from half way a minute of so before he signaled penalty (they were obviously chatting to him and saying they are likely to overturn his decision)

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1244 on: February 19, 2020, 04:06:29 PM »
Apparently the "smaller" PL clubs are against the match referee going to a pitchside monitor as they believe he will be influenced by the crowd and will give s decision that favours the "bigger" clubs.

 


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