Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread

[Clampy]

Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

That's just links though, I wouldn't take too much notice of them. Two of our last four signings came from abroad.

[dave shelley]

These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

Younger than has been bollock crap signed 2014-2018 for sure.

Oh and there is no comparison between Smith's coaching ability and the gibbering 'We were excellent' knob

Young and hungry was signing the likes of fucking Jordan Bowery.

I'm not too sure that Bowery is the best example of 'Young And Hungry' failure, he was low-cost at £500k and could quite easily have gone the other way and become another Benteke.  I would imagine his wages wouldn't have been huge and he moved on, did we get a fee? I can't remember.  Sometimes you have to gamble that your coaches can polish a rough diamond, something I have more faith in the present set-up being able to do than the previous clueless incumbents.

[Toronto Villa]

Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

What’s a lot though? This is the PL where £14m is no longer a lot. I get that it’s a discussion forum but what people need to accept now and one of the things that comes along with stupid money clubs make at this level.

And as the English thing, I want the players to be the ones Dean Smith wants. And if we are counting nationalities, so far of our other signings Hause is English, the other full back we bought in Jan is French, with AEG being Dutch. The forward we just bought is Brazilian, the right midfielder is Spanish. So we are buying from all over.

[Toronto Villa]

These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

Younger than has been bollock crap signed 2014-2018 for sure.

Oh and there is no comparison between Smith's coaching ability and the gibbering 'We were excellent' knob

Young and hungry was signing the likes of fucking Jordan Bowery.

I'm not too sure that Bowery is the best example of 'Young And Hungry' failure, he was low-cost at £500k and could quite easily have gone the other way and become another Benteke.  I would imagine his wages wouldn't have been huge and he moved on, did we get a fee? I can't remember.  Sometimes you have to gamble that your coaches can polish a rough diamond, something I have more faith in the present set-up being able to do than the previous clueless incumbents.

Just saying he was bought at that time under that mantra. And yes if we bought those same players today, I would trust Smith to make good use of players like Veretout, Gana and Amavi. I’d take all three right now.

[dave shelley]

Me too.

[Malandro]

Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

What’s a lot though? This is the PL where £14m is no longer a lot. I get that it’s a discussion forum but what people need to accept now and one of the things that comes along with stupid money clubs make at this level.

And as the English thing, I want the players to be the ones Dean Smith wants. And if we are counting nationalities, so far of our other signings Hause is English, the other full back we bought in Jan is French, with AEG being Dutch. The forward we just bought is Brazilian, the right midfielder is Spanish. So we are buying from all over.

Agree with you Toronto. I'm not sure what the fuss is, he's a highly rated, young English player.
I think the fee is fair enough.

[paul_e]

Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

I suspect we'll see much more young foreign signings once the first 11 is sorted so we can be a bit braver with players who will come in as competition/cover and have the time they need to settle in. Moraes is the obvious exception, get the centre back and DM we need sorted and then 4-5 players who are genuine 'young and hungry' signings where we are taking a bit of a gamble. The key thing with them is get U21 players so they don't need to be included in the 25 man squad.

[aev]

I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

[algy]

These all strike me as *spits* "young and hungry" signings, which worries me a bit.

I'm old enough to remember when Gabby was young and hungry

Thought he was still pretty hungry tbh

[paul_e]

I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

The fee for El Ghazi was set when we in the championship though, and he, along with Hause, show exactly why loans with a set fee at the end are such a good idea for the buying club.

He's come through the Southampton Academy which in recent years has produced a string of decent players. I think we can expect a player who is technically proficient and who can be improved by our coaching staff. Villa will have been scouting him for a while and decided thst he fits the bill.

Whilst £11-17m might seem dear remember: Leicester have just paid £8m for a teenager who last season played for Luton in Div 3.

And Yoonited have spunked £50m for a one season wonder from Palace who put through his own goal last week playing for England U21s.

Justin looks a hell of a player though, I think we've missed out there and I suspect he'll be in the England squad within 18months.

[WALTERS WARRIORS]

I think £14m is a lot for a Southampton reserve full back, in the same way I don’t think £8m is a lot for EAG.

Time will tell of course whether it is good business or not.

Do you think 14m is a lot for a reserve CB who could not get into the first team even when fit ?? (Mings) …..Targett will be the most experienced premier player in our defence. Man utd just paid 50m for Wan Bissaka who has had one good season …..

[AsTallAsLions]

Why do people keep banging on about the fee? The transfer prices are what they are. That’s what happens at this level. When we celebrated getting back up and winning the world’s most lucrative game inflated everything comes along with it. Did anyone notice that an English player who has never played one international game at senior level just went for £50m this week?

And as for the players we are buying how does anyone actually know how good they are? Just because they didn’t perform or couldn’t get into their last team doesn’t automatically translate when they join another club. So far under Dean Smith all of the players improved and he only buys players with high technical ability. So with Targett you have to assume he has that or else he wouldn’t be signing (allegedly)

Because it is a forum for discussion, and the originally quoted £14m seems like a lot to many people.

I am surprised we seem to be linked with so many domestic players (which seem to command a premium), considering Pitarch.

What’s a lot though? This is the PL where £14m is no longer a lot. I get that it’s a discussion forum but what people need to accept now and one of the things that comes along with stupid money clubs make at this level.

And as the English thing, I want the players to be the ones Dean Smith wants. And if we are counting nationalities, so far of our other signings Hause is English, the other full back we bought in Jan is French, with AEG being Dutch. The forward we just bought is Brazilian, the right midfielder is Spanish. So we are buying from all over.

Think you should really forgive people for being cautious when we've just had to sell Villa Park to the owners for ~60m to circumvent a financial issue that's hounded the club for 2-3 years now.

I think people are well within their rights to question whether Matt Targett was the wisest use of £11.5-17m, all things considered.

[frank black]

Apparently we’ve given Southampton some money and they’ve used it to buy Che Adams. Whoops sorry

[OCD]

At least we've acted fast having missed out on James.

[TopDeck113]

I'm not too sure that Bowery is the best example of 'Young And Hungry' failure, he was low-cost at £500k and could quite easily have gone the other way and become another Benteke.  I would imagine his wages wouldn't have been huge and he moved on, did we get a fee? I can't remember.  Sometimes you have to gamble that your coaches can polish a rough diamond, something I have more faith in the present set-up being able to do than the previous clueless incumbents.

I agree.  Bowery was a punt and the fact that it didn't work out should be set against the fact that what the punt cost in Premier League terms was the smallest of small change.  And what's more, if you don't take that punt, you'll never unearth the next Jamie Vardy. Villa fans are right to castigate the so-called young-and-hungry era, but to make Jordan the poster-boy for its failings is as unfair as it is wrong.  There are many far more deserving individuals who should be subject to that ire.