Summer transfer, gossip, speculation thread

[ozzjim]

Unless we are spending stupid money this window with the intention of being mid table or higher, £20 million on a keeper seems mad. Unless it's 12 plus Kalinic which would make more sense.

[The_ads]

Butland... No thanks. Not at the money being reported anyway.

Why we seem so intent on replacing Steer with Kalinic also in reserve is strange to me. We have other priorities surely.

Simple answer to this is neither are good enough. As much as I love him, Jed Steer isn’t a premier league goalkeeper. Listen - he had a fantastic run in the side and we owe the guy an awful lot, but he isn’t premier league quality. Penalty saves aside, take the Albion game as an example , gave the balls away needlessly twice and he’ll be punished 8n the premier league for those kind of mistakes. I’m trying very hard not to be too harsh because I genuinely do think a lot of the bloke but we need a proper goalkeeper. Kalinic, in his short time in the team, looked nervous and tentative as fuck and we can’t afford for someone to learn the ropes in the premier league. Butland is a proven England international goalkeeper, if the price is £17-£20m bloody pay it because a proper goalkeeper saves you very crucial points and we need to stay in this division.

[The_ads]

Unless we are spending stupid money this window with the intention of being mid table or higher, £20 million on a keeper seems mad. Unless it's 12 plus Kalinic which would make more sense.

We’re playing with the big boys now mate. £20m on a goalkeeper in Butlands class is a snip. He’s arguably a better goalkeeper than Pickford who cost £10m more

[Toronto Villa]

I don’t know if Butland is the answer but we all need to get used to inflated prices. It amazing how much prices have gone up since we left the division.

[Risso]

I don’t know if Butland is the answer but we all need to get used to inflated prices. It amazing how much prices have gone up since we left the division.

Yep.  A £60m fee being quoted as what Palace want from Man U for their young right back after one good season!

[Gareth]

Butland... No thanks. Not at the money being reported anyway.

Why we seem so intent on replacing Steer with Kalinic also in reserve is strange to me. We have other priorities surely.

Simple answer to this is neither are good enough. As much as I love him, Jed Steer isn’t a premier league goalkeeper. Listen - he had a fantastic run in the side and we owe the guy an awful lot, but he isn’t premier league quality. Penalty saves aside, take the Albion game as an example , gave the balls away needlessly twice and he’ll be punished 8n the premier league for those kind of mistakes. I’m trying very hard not to be too harsh because I genuinely do think a lot of the bloke but we need a proper goalkeeper. Kalinic, in his short time in the team, looked nervous and tentative as fuck and we can’t afford for someone to learn the ropes in the premier league. Butland is a proven England international goalkeeper, if the price is £17-£20m bloody pay it because a proper goalkeeper saves you very crucial points and we need to stay in this division.

Agree ref Steer & Kalinic.  Steer made great saves but was also guilty of a few brain farts coming out for the wrong balls & under the set piece was rooted to line.

Is Butland bigger and more dominant in the area? I can’t remember in all honesty....what is Fraser Forster up to nowadays? Always struck me as a v decent keeper :-)

[ktvillan]

If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

Not when you consider the money he spent/wasted.  That amount should and probably would have guaranteed top 4 in the hands of a genuinely good manager.  Him blowing the family silver is what started us on the slippery slope to austerity and then relegation.  I despise the man.

[ozzjim]

Butland is 6ft 5 and a big imposing fucker from what I recall, and a very good keeper when I have seen him, but £25 million just seems a lot when we have so much else to do in the team.

[Toronto Villa]

I don’t know if Butland is the answer but we all need to get used to inflated prices. It amazing how much prices have gone up since we left the division.

Yep.  A £60m fee being quoted as what Palace want from Man U for their young right back after one good season!

Utterly ludicrous.

[SoccerHQ]

Unless we are spending stupid money this window with the intention of being mid table or higher, £20 million on a keeper seems mad. Unless it's 12 plus Kalinic which would make more sense.

We’re playing with the big boys now mate. £20m on a goalkeeper in Butlands class is a snip. He’s arguably a better goalkeeper than Pickford who cost £10m more

I really don't think he is. Butland's kicking and distribution at times is Guzan level and I'm not convinced by him on crosses either. Don't think he's great in organising back 4 either as Stoke have conceded a moutain of goals last two seasons.

Etheridge at around 10m would be much better deal.

[tomd2103]

If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

He signed some good players, a lot of rubbish and made up for his tactical limits with genuinely remarkable team motivation. It was nowhere near enough though.

Seen some of this guys's podcasts before, but found this one interesting.  Particularly the bit about some of O'Neill's methods:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_vVzI9P_7Rk&t=2103s

[mike]

If he signed duff players and played outdated tactics we did pretty well to finish 6th those times.

Actually he had some strengths as a manager which got us up there but he also had severe limitations which meant we were never going to go any higher.  I thought that was becoming clearer at least a year before he left.

Not when you consider the money he spent/wasted.  That amount should and probably would have guaranteed top 4 in the hands of a genuinely good manager.  Him blowing the family silver is what started us on the slippery slope to austerity and then relegation.  I despise the man.

And then topped it off by leaving pre season. A genuinely nasty piece of work and the beginning of our path to relegation.

[Dave P]

Would blues get a percentage of any fee for Butland?

[Villafirst]

In 2006 Lerner and O'Neill seemed like the dream team, and it was great for a few years. But that walkout and Lerner's crap decision making ang lack of investment from 2010 set this club back years.

[Karlos96]

Would blues get a percentage of any fee for Butland?

I think they’ve got a 20% sell on clause.