SHA v Aston Villa: Pre-Match Thread

[KRS]

Yeah I’d agree with dropping Adomah too. I think we’ll be strong enough at the back but we need to win the midfield battle to protect them and control the game. We can’t afford to play one of our best midfielders in SJM at LB, so Taylor or one of the kids will have to play there. Control possession and we should have enough up front to be a threat with Jack, Tammy and El Ghazi pulling the strings and supported by Elmo, Hourihane and SJM.

[andyh]

Have they ACTUALLY asked if we will break league rules and allow Gardner to play against his parent club?
Are they fucking deluded or what?

[KRS]

Yep apparently they asked for special dispensation as per link. Article was by someone called Brian Dick.

[Marlon From Bearwood]

It’s suits their narrative of us being the bad guys now, whilst in reality their request was absolutely ludicrous.

[Des Little]

We should let him play.  In addition to the other 11 they'll put out.

[LeeB]

Have they lost their copy of the Football League rules or something?
We should have said yes, the league could then chuck that on the list of infringements.

[KRS]

[manic-road]

I hate the run up to this game, I feel sick at just the thought that the Blosers might win.

I'll predict 1-5 anyway.

[Three Spires Villa]

It’s the most ridiculous thing ever. Just because Mick Ferguson screwed them over whilst on loan (showing my age), why should / would we say yes. Monk is a proper er idiot, for making a big thing about this in the media. Smash them Sunday, smash them. UTV

[Damo70]

From what I understand the rules would have allowed Gardner to play IF we had agreed, which obviously we weren't going to do and even Monk admitted it was a shot in the dark even asking us. Apparently Chelsea agreed that their two players on loan to Derby could play against them in the cup earlier this season.

I have discovered why they don't want Tim Robinson to ref the game. He sent off Kieftenbeld when they played Brentford earlier in the season and then Monk was also sent off by the ref for arguing the decision. Kieftenbeld's red was then rescinded on appeal.

[PeterWithesShin]

GARRY MONK SAYS HE WASN'T WHOLLY SURPRISED THAT ASTON VILLA REFUSED PERMISSION FOR GARY GARDNER TO PLAY AGAINST THEM ON SUNDAY.
The Blues boss asked Club personnel to approach Villa to see if they would agree to Gary Gardner being able to compete against his parent club.

“We did ask, it was a short conversation, a straight ‘No’ from Aston Villa - to be expected,” he said.

“It does not really make a difference, it is what it is. It wasn’t in his contract.

“I think there was an occasion with Derby and Chelsea earlier in the season when Derby asked for the two Chelsea loans to play and Chelsea said ‘Yes’.

“But most common is the parent club or the club that own the player have the right for them not to play against them.

“We have got a small squad, but everyone has been ready, whoever steps on that pitch will go on there and relish that occasion and give everything for three points

“We have to think about it, Gary has done brilliantly for us since he came in, he has been a really consistent performer.

“It’s not an ideal situation but we knew that and were planning for that but whichever way we set up the most important bit is the whole team is committed to this game and have 90 minutes to give everything they have got and to wake up on Monday and be happy.”

[PeterWithesShin]

Have they ACTUALLY asked if we will break league rules and allow Gardner to play against his parent club?
Are they fucking deluded or what?

As far as I know there is no rule in the EFL that stops it. However, the loan player can't play unless the parent club gives express permission that he can play against them.

[Richard E]

So they offered to play a weakened team against us and we turned it down?

[Lastfootstamper]

From ReadFootball

PORTSMOUTH
LuaLua joined Portsmouth on a short-term loan from Newcastle United in 2004, with the Magpies failing to include a clause that would prevent him from playing against them. When they eventually played each other, LuaLua fired in a late equaliser against his parent club and celebrated wildly, much to the displeasure of the Newcastle fans and management. This incident resulted in the FA changing their loan rules, preventing on-loan players from playing against their parent clubs in league fixtures.

Another shit thing about being in this division is trying to search on the web for championship-specific information, and then being swamped with PL and UEFA related stuff. Fwiw, I can't find precedent regarding league fixtures.

[PeterWithesShin]

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-6---players/

54.8

During the period of any Temporary Loan Transfer, a Player shall not play against his Transferor Club without the prior written permission of the Transferor Club (which, if given, must be indicated on the appropriate Temporary Loan Transfer form).