Brentford v Aston Villa post match thread.

[CT Villan]

Well that's a first, I just listened to Dean's WM post-match interview and I'm struggling to find anything that he said that I agree with. Most criminal is that Hause played well.

[KRS]

You can't blame Smith for the players he's inherited or the transfer activity.

Yes you can, he had great performances at Bro, WBA etc...where has that gone?

No you can't. He didn't sign the players he inherited, and it doesn't sound like he has much say in identifying transfer targets or pushing the deals through in the only transfer window we've had since he arrived.

We don't know what has happened but he had us playing some great football in those games...it's no coincidence that the injuries to Grealish, Axel, etc; have coincided with the drop in form with a dodgy defence being exposed by a load of shite players in midfield.

You can't blame Smith for the players he's inherited or the transfer activity.

But you can blame him for not improving us one iota

He doesn't have an any magic dust that he can sprinkle on to players to make them good...more often than not, you can't polish a turd and we have a whole load of shite that needs polishing.

[KRS]

You can't blame Smith for the players he's inherited or the transfer activity.

Every new manager inherits players at any new club they join. Surely a head coach can do some coaching and get some results? We've been largely dreadful for about two months now.

I'd love to see us playing the football that Brentford play. We need the players to play that system, I know that. But it was suggested on the pre match thread that Brentford are crap. Well, if they're crap, we are... I don't know.

See my post above, and make no mistake...we have proper shite players all over the pitch with the exception of SJM, Jack, Tammy and Mings (and 2 of those aren't even our players!).

[KRS]

Interesting comment from DS about Brentford, " they played well, they have a lot of players who can pass and move.."" they have done for a few years"

Reading between the lines, that was the team I built, that is how I want my team to play, but I don't have the players at Villa.

That's exactly what he means. I'm a big fan of his but there's something I don't like about a manager in a post-match interview reminding the world of his past achievements to deflect from a defeat. It's all a bit, well, Bruce.

Thats exactly how I interpreted it too...can't say I disagree with him because our lot are incapable of passing let alone moving. Even in our purple patch some of the passing and final balls were atrocious, and now some of them can't even control a ball or keep it in play.

[KRS]

Smith talked a load of bollocks in his post match interview.

Doesn't he always. Monotonous and gormless. Most managers do to be fair. Less talking, more coaching and dropping crap players, please.

He must have been watching a different game.

We were fucking useless tonight. Around 7 or 8 of the starting 11 would be nowhere near the squad, let alone the team, if I had my way.

It's hard to watch Hutton, Whelan, Hourihane, Elphick and company ambling around week in week out. Don't they ever get fed up of being shit?

Anyway, as I thought they would be, Brentford were too good for us. Enough!  A day of work ahead and Villa have made me grumpy as fuck. Again.

Let's beat the Baggies on Saturday.

When he first came in, there were plenty of us praising him for his enthusiastic, high energy and insightful interviews...sometimes even speaking too tactically about our high press, settings traps and movement. I'm pretty sure he'd much rather be telling us about a great performance, but he can't come out and say "well, look at the load of shite I have to work with!"

Anyways, it would be really great if someone on here could enlighten us all who Smith should bring in if he was to drop all these shit players. You can't have it both ways.

...and not looking forward to Saturday at all.

[Jon Crofts]

Still. At least our 3rd kit is fabulous right?

[A|C]

My biggest concern is not really the shitness of our players but the lack of effort, if they played like Brentford or in fact any of the teams we have played recently I think we would have picked up a lot more points. The players just don't seem bothered, they just seem to be going through the motions.

[Kimaster1976]

Realistically there is a good 18-20 players in this squad who are finished and need to be gone and replaced.

I dont think we are in that good a FFP state to be bringing in around 15 new faces. Some major wheeling and dealing needs to be done in the summer.

Its looking like a minimum 2/3 year rebuild job again to me.

[sid1964]

The problem at Aston Villa is Aston Villa - we are a massive club in the Championship, unfortunately like other big clubs in the Championship, who have been in this division for years (Leeds, Sheff Wed, Forest) until we learn that spend , spend, and offering big wages is not the way to get out of this division

We need a major clear out in the summer (anyone whose contract is up needs to be gone, no more giving contracts to players, because they are good around the dressing room), the club is too nice to play for, the players have no motivation to get out of this division and why should they? if you are the top earners in the division (they earn more than a lot of premier league players) then you are on easy street, there is no pressure on them.

They do not worry if they lose on a weekend.

The likes of Taylor, will not leave until their contract is finished - who else is going to pay him £40k a week,(not even a premier league club will do that) he will happily go shopping every Saturday if he is not playing

The only man under pressure is Smith, and if he goes then it will just be next man up.

I look at the likes of Hourihane as he walked off the pitch last night, he had hardly broke sweat, I bet that when he when he was playing for Barnsley on £8k a week, he could not have dreamt that a club would offer him £30k a week!

[AV82EC]

Still. At least our 3rd kit is fabulous right?

I realise it’s a minor gripe in the grand scheme of things but we looked like we’d had to borrow shorts and socks from lost property. Embarrassing.

This clubs motto used to be “Prepared”.

[mr underhill]

clearly we are the specialists in false dawns. Leeds, those other serial underachievers lost their best player in the summer, bought in one from Wolves and instantly adapted to the way Bielsa wanted them to play . Smith should be doing the same here, but can't just like countless managers before him, despite the club spending the equivalent of a small country's GDP. I've had enough and won't sit through more of this turgid shit on Saturday against local rivals who will beat us.I almost wish we hadn't been rescued by two multi billionaires in the summer as that would have well and truly forced us into a completely different mindset and culture change. Cnuts the lot of them.

[sid1964]

Mr Underhill, I thought the same at the time that it may have done the club some good if we had not been rescued in the summer, although for any normal employee of the club, i would not wish that upon them.

Our 2 owners must now be wondering why they are throwing money at this club each month to keep it going, and if they are spending loads at the moment what will they have to fork out next season with a lot less revenue coming into the club.

[simboy]

You wanted us to go into administration, sell our best player for pennies which would have gone to the administrators pockets. To have “restructured” in the bottom leagues like, say, Portsmouth? Or worse still Wimbledon, Oldham, Sunderland or Coventry? Rather than have owners who appear to be in it for the long term? Who are quietly going about their business of turning a wreck of a club around?

Words fail me.

[jwarry]

I think its pretty clear Dean doesn't think they are good enough but realistically what can he say except what he has said?  He can't come out and say they are crap can he?  If he did that he would lose the dressing room and before you know it he is out on his ear without having a chance to mould his own side.  There again I'm not sure this lot would take an apeth of notice if he did say they were not good enough.....

[olaftab]

It's hard to watch Hutton, Whelan, Hourihane, Elphick and company ambling around week in week out. Don't they ever get fed up of being shit?

Anyway, as I thought they would be, Brentford were too good for us. Enough!  A day of work ahead and Villa have made me grumpy as fuck. Again.

Let's beat the Baggies on Saturday.

Feel your pain fella. It’s now a proper bottomless pit of misery☹️